Post Skywalker Saga Star Wars Movies

[danth]

On 6/7/2025 at 2:23 PM, Roy Focker said:

I've got problem with them having post sequels and even sequels in the first place. Star Wars in its original form was a fairytale. As we know fairytales end with "and they lived happily ever after." They vanquished the evil wizard in the original trilogy. Which should have been brought peace to the kingdom, but they undid everything to make the sequels. It is what they'll do again to make the post sequels. Nothing will end. Every final victory against the dark side in a trilogy is basically meaningless because it will all be undone for the next trilogy.

 

On 6/7/2025 at 3:20 PM, Black Valkyrie said:

I don`t care anymore, SW is long gone for me, when Disney purchased the franchise.  I will always have a place in my heart for the OT.  

Same. Let this zombie franchise die. The last six trilogy movies sucked. And movies in general suck now. It's all CGI slop with no heart. 

[Seto Kaiba]

6 hours ago, Duke Togo said:

They lost faith after TFA made $2 billion at the box office? That makes no sense.

Box office take isn't everything.  Disney and LucasFilm were barraged by social media toxicity the whole time the sequel trilogy was in the works, and they did radically recalibrate the direction of the story twice after negative responses to films... leading to the absolute cluster**** that was The Rise of Skywalker's plot.

One could say one of the cardinal sins of the sequel trilogy was that it self-sabotaged as a result of trying to please everyone... especally the unpleasable die-hard fans.

Edited Monday at 05:25 PM by Seto Kaiba

[Duke Togo]

4 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Box office take isn't everything.  Disney and LucasFilm were barraged by social media toxicity the whole time the sequel trilogy was in the works, and they did radically recalibrate the direction of the story twice after negative responses to films... leading to the absolute cluster**** that was The Rise of Skywalker's plot.

This is not what happened. 
 

Well, correction, they brought JJ back on board to steer things back toward the first movie after the second one ruffled feathers. That did happen. But there was no change in course after the first one. They've been really open about this: they gave Rian creative control over the second movie. He could do what he wanted, and he did. But there was no change in course after the first movie by Disney or Lucasfilm. The movie was a massive hit and did well with critics.

[renegadeleader1]

4 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Box office take isn't everything.  Disney and LucasFilm were barraged by social media toxicity the whole time the sequel trilogy was in the works, and they did radically recalibrate the direction of the story twice after negative responses to films... leading to the absolute cluster**** that was The Rise of Skywalker's plot.

One could say one of the cardinal sins of the sequel trilogy was that it self-sabotaged as a result of trying to please everyone... especally the unpleasable die-hard fans.

The Cardinal sin was planning a trilogy without actually planning a trilogy.

[Seto Kaiba]

35 minutes ago, Duke Togo said:

This is not what happened. 
 

Well, correction, they brought JJ back on board to steer things back toward the first movie after the second one ruffled feathers. That did happen. But there was no change in course after the first one. They've been really open about this: they gave Rian creative control over the second movie. He could do what he wanted, and he did. But there was no change in course after the first movie by Disney or Lucasfilm. The movie was a massive hit and did well with critics.

I stand corrected.  Just one recalibration, not two.

 

30 minutes ago, renegadeleader1 said:

The Cardinal sin was planning a trilogy without actually planning a trilogy.

Whatever their greatest sin was, it seems like the real test of whether the sequel trilogy era can be made long-term marketable after The Rise of Skywalker is going to be whether Starfighter and New Jedi Order do well.

[Thom]

1 hour ago, renegadeleader1 said:

The Cardinal sin was planning a trilogy without actually planning a trilogy.

This here.

[Big s]

Star Wars needs some reputation fixing. If they make more good shows and actually deliver a good few movies, even a disliked character like Rey could make a decent comeback. But trying to bring her back too soon would be a huge mistake and putting out garbage before that would be just as big of a mistake. 

[Seto Kaiba]

2 hours ago, Big s said:

Star Wars needs some reputation fixing. If they make more good shows and actually deliver a good few movies, even a disliked character like Rey could make a decent comeback. But trying to bring her back too soon would be a huge mistake and putting out garbage before that would be just as big of a mistake. 

Andor was a good first step in that regard.  That said, creating more series and movies on a similar level of quality to Tony Gilroy's work on Rogue One and Andor is a tall order.  So tall that I'd bet against LucasFilm's regulars being able to pull it off.  The main stumbling block is likely going to be LucasFilm CCO Dave Filoni and the sort of people that he tends to hire.  Star Wars superfans don't seem to be able to write Star Wars stories with broad general audience appeal.  They're too close to the subject matter.  So much so, in Filoni's case, that it's allegedly hurting his prospects as a candidate to replace Kathleen Kennedy when she steps down.

IIRC, the next series in the release schedule is Ahsoka season two... which seems unlikely to stick the landing, leaning as heavily as it is on fanservice, even without Andor being an impossible act to follow.

Then again, the future is unwritten and so are these pending films.  They could surprise us all, for good or for ill.

[Big s]

58 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Andor was a good first step in that regard.  That said, creating more series and movies on a similar level of quality to Tony Gilroy's work on Rogue One and Andor is a tall order.  So tall that I'd bet against LucasFilm's regulars being able to pull it off.  The main stumbling block is likely going to be LucasFilm CCO Dave Filoni and the sort of people that he tends to hire.  Star Wars superfans don't seem to be able to write Star Wars stories with broad general audience appeal.  They're too close to the subject matter.  So much so, in Filoni's case, that it's allegedly hurting his prospects as a candidate to replace Kathleen Kennedy when she steps down.

I don’t think everything needs to be another Andor. Skeleton Crew was almost a win. If it could’ve stuck the landing it would be in a category of better shows. The problem isn’t that things need to be more serious , just that they need some more competent writers that can tell a story and not get bogged down by their usual bad choices in the stories.

[Seto Kaiba]

40 minutes ago, Big s said:

I don’t think everything needs to be another Andor. Skeleton Crew was almost a win. If it could’ve stuck the landing it would be in a category of better shows.

What's that old saying? 

"'Close' only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades."?

 

40 minutes ago, Big s said:

The problem isn’t that things need to be more serious , just that they need some more competent writers that can tell a story and not get bogged down by their usual bad choices in the stories.

Oh I'm not saying they have to be more serious.  Being grim all the time is no fun at all... unless you're Warhammer 40,000.

No, what I mean is that they have to focus on developing and telling compelling stories with interesting and well developed characters. They're not going to be able to squeak by with just a never-ending stream of fanservice references to past shows and movies like they're trying to do in Ahsoka.

[Big s]

1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Oh I'm not saying they have to be more serious.  Being grim all the time is no fun at all... unless you're Warhammer 40,000.

I remember when 40k used to have a lot of absurd fun before it was just grim dark all the time 

[Big s]

1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

"'Close' only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades."?

 

Pretty sure horse shoes have to be fairly spot on so they don’t break their legs

[Seto Kaiba]

8 hours ago, Big s said:

Pretty sure horse shoes have to be fairly spot on so they don’t break their legs

The old saying refers to "horseshoes" the game, not the process of shoeing horses.

 

8 hours ago, Big s said:

I remember when 40k used to have a lot of absurd fun before it was just grim dark all the time 

Oh, it still does... the humor is in gallows humor and in being comically serious most of the time.

Star Wars, of course, has no such limitations and can (and should) have quite a bit more levity at times.  I do hope they continue to avoid "minstrel" characters like Jar-Jar Binks in the future, though.  There's comic relief and then there's that.

[Big s]

1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

The old saying refers to "horseshoes" the game, not the process of shoeing horses.

 

Not really familiar with the rules of the game, but I’d imagine that if the horseshoes go on wrong, then the horse becomes a hand grenade. 
Poor horse, but I guess that would be why they’d name a game horseshoes and hand grenades

[Thom]

So far, the only series I did not like was Acolyte with Boba as a close second. I really found myself enjoying Mando, Ahsoka, Skelton Crew and Obi-Wan, in that order. Ahsoka left off at a good cliffhanger an I have good hopes that they'll stick season two as well.

[Big s]

49 minutes ago, Thom said:

So far, the only series I did not like was Acolyte with Boba as a close second. I really found myself enjoying Mando, Ahsoka, Skelton Crew and Obi-Wan, in that order. Ahsoka left off at a good cliffhanger an I have good hopes that they'll stick season two as well.

I think I’d put the acolyte at the bottom then obi then boba and Ahsoka as a tie then it gets tough for me because Andor had a flawed start but got better then the second season felt a bit jumbled, Skeleton crew was kinda diminished by its ending and Mando got trashy in its last season, but those three I think overall were the best of the starwars shows.

[TangledThorns]

OK, I'll share my opinion of the SW series too!!

1. ANDOR 

2. Mandalorian 

3. Ahsoka & Skeleton Crew (tie)

4. Boba Fett

Dumpster: Obi Wan

Bottom of land fill: The Acolyte 

 

 

 

[Duke Togo]

Guys, just a reminder, this is the movie thread. There's a separate TV thread here: 

 

[Big s]

1 hour ago, Duke Togo said:

Guys, just a reminder, this is the movie thread. There's a separate TV thread here: 

 

Sorry, it’s hard to think of good Disney Star Wars movies.

[Seto Kaiba]

3 hours ago, Big s said:

Sorry, it’s hard to think of good Disney Star Wars movies.

Rogue One.

With the right people at the helm, LucasFilm is more than capable of making worthy additions to the Star Wars's storyline.

Their track record when it comes to picking the right people is more miss than hit, though.

Edited yesterday at 01:12 AM by Seto Kaiba

[Mommar]

53 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Rogue One.

With the right people at the helm, LucasFilm is more than capable of making worthy additions to the Star Wars's storyline.

Their track record when it comes to picking the right people is more miss than hit, though.

Least bad is not the same as good.

[Seto Kaiba]

3 minutes ago, Mommar said:

Least bad is not the same as good.

I wouldn't call Rogue One a bad movie by any stretch of the imagination.

I'd call it probably the single best movie outside of the original trilogy.

[Big s]

1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

I wouldn't call Rogue One a bad movie by any stretch of the imagination.

I'd call it probably the single best movie outside of the original trilogy.

I really didn’t care a whole lot for it. It was the best of the Disney stuff though, but most of the characters were a bit easy to dislike. K2 was good though, but the main character was definitely lacking. I don’t hate the movie and maybe it will be more likeable after the Andor show 

[Dynaman]

18 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

I wouldn't call Rogue One a bad movie by any stretch of the imagination.

I'd call it probably the single best movie outside of the original trilogy.

Heck, it is far above Return of the Jedi, which is where the Rot really started.

Personally I have a hard time choosing between it or the original Star Wars as the number 2 film in the entire franchise. Star Wars has the benefit of being a phenomenon that really sucked me in to science fiction (*) but really doesn't hold up as an incredible movie. 

 

* I remember seeing an ad for SW around Christmas and thinking it was just another silly science fiction movie - after the following summer I never had that pre-conceived notion about scifi again, though there were PLENTY of garbage scifi movies post SW of course.

[Duke Togo]

3 hours ago, Dynaman said:

Heck, it is far above Return of the Jedi, which is where the Rot really started.

100% this. Rogue One is easily the third best Star Wars movie. Jedi has nonsensical plotting, bad acting (even Ford is mailing it in), and teddy bears defeating Imperial Storm Troopers. Jedi isn't even the fourth-best Star Wars film.

[Big s]

25 minutes ago, Duke Togo said:

100% this. Rogue One is easily the third best Star Wars movie. Jedi has nonsensical plotting, bad acting (even Ford is mailing it in), and teddy bears defeating Imperial Storm Troopers. Jedi isn't even the fourth-best Star Wars film.

My problem with Rogue one was the actors or the looks or anything like that, I just found the characters unlikable and kinda hard to watch. Andor got to be a better character once he was fleshed out more in his series, just didn’t care much for anyone other than the kill bot. I especially hated Saw. That whole thing with him was a super drag.

Gonna do a rewatch this weekend though since Andor the show might give me a change of opinion 

[Seto Kaiba]

6 hours ago, Dynaman said:

Heck, it is far above Return of the Jedi, which is where the Rot really started.

Personally I have a hard time choosing between it or the original Star Wars as the number 2 film in the entire franchise. Star Wars has the benefit of being a phenomenon that really sucked me in to science fiction (*) but really doesn't hold up as an incredible movie. 

I'd rank it even higher than that, personally... but that's mostly a reflection of my own disinterest in the Jedi as a concept.

(I'll always find The Chosen Hero of Destiny far less interesting than The Guy Angry Enough To Do Something About It in the hero department, there's so much more agency in the latter character.)

 

2 hours ago, Big s said:

I especially hated Saw. That whole thing with him was a super drag.

One thing I did not appreciate when I first saw Rogue One, but came to understand after friends coerced me into watching The Clone Wars and Rebels...

Not liking Saw Gerrera is 100% the correct and intended reaction.

Spoiler

Saw was already a bitter, paranoid, hateful, and violent man 22 years before Rogue One when his homeworld of Onderon was occupied by the Separatists in the Clone Wars.

He got significantly worse when his sister, who was the leader of his resistance cell, was killed by the occupation's droid army.  It was all downhill from there for him.  He is arguably the Original Rebel, having basically switched directly from fighting Separatists to fighting the Empire.  22 years of living with untreated PTSD, substance abuse, and the most heinous no-holds-barred brutality has really really done a number of a guy who was already a little bit nuts when it all started.

He is the embodiment of The Rebellion Will Not Be Civilized, so killing him off in favor of the more aspirational Rebel Alliance he so despised is symbolic in a way.