ewilen Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Surely the Joons are recasts/copies of the same sculpt, but not the same molds...right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 My point was it's the same effect---flat out noticeably lower quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muswp1 Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 I've seen the Forces of Valor pieces here and I kinda like the Blackhawk and Apache, but Graham and David Hingtgen are right, the jets just plain suck. Prowlus, your're right about that Tornado, that is the most god-awful Tornado I've ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicked Ace Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 I've seen the Forces of Valor pieces here and I kinda like the Blackhawk and Apache, but Graham and David Hingtgen are right, the jets just plain suck.Prowlus, your're right about that Tornado, that is the most god-awful Tornado I've ever seen. Your avatar looks like David Hasselhoff playing the evil Michael Knight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 I've seen the Forces of Valor pieces here and I kinda like the Blackhawk and Apache, but Graham and David Hingtgen are right, the jets just plain suck.Prowlus, your're right about that Tornado, that is the most god-awful Tornado I've ever seen. Actually, the photo above makes the Forces of Valor Tornado look half decent. You really have to see the Tornado and F-14 in person to fully appreciate how awful they are. But I agree their Apache, Blackhawk and some of their tanks look pretty good. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechaninac Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 Prowlus, your're right about that Tornado, that is the most god-awful Tornado I've ever seen. Actually, the photo above makes the Forces of Valor Tornado look half decent. You really have to see the Tornado and F-14 in person to fully appreciate how awful they are. But I agree their Apache, Blackhawk and some of their tanks look pretty good. Graham As I've stated before, I never saw their fighters in person. But here is my question to anyone who has: Painting, panel lining and markings asside, how acceptable, or not, is the sculpt on the F-14? Would it make a decent candidate for repainting/customization given a reasonable price, say around $20.00, after all, it features an opening cockpit, working landing gears, movable wings, and removable ordenance? (forget the Tornado, it's execution looks very poor indeed from the picture). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muswp1 Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 I've seen the Forces of Valor pieces here and I kinda like the Blackhawk and Apache, but Graham and David Hingtgen are right, the jets just plain suck.Prowlus, your're right about that Tornado, that is the most god-awful Tornado I've ever seen. Your avatar looks like David Hasselhoff playing the evil Michael Knight. Actually, I think the avatar is Ares from the old Hercules show. Might want to ask Shawn about that thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muswp1 Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Speaking of which, where is Shawn anyway?? I haven't seen him around lately?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangard Ace Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Speaking of which, where is Shawn anyway?? I haven't seen him around lately?? He's busy working 75hours weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdenham Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 Dude, those thing suck ass.They look good from a distance, and you would think that they would be all hatchy, and stuff, but in fact, the one that I saw blew chunks. The wings didn't even swing, it was fixed in the out position. The airbrake didn't open, the gear doesn't work, they just suck crap. PERIOD. Also, they are solid die cast for the most part, and sport this crappy enamel paint job. The worst thing is that when they were Armour, you could get em for about 25 bucks, but since they're Franklin Mint, they want big bucks for them. NOTE - NEVER BUY ANYTHING FROM THE FRANKLIN MINT, my wife used to work there, and their stuff is overrated, thinly plated trash. I think you need to clarify which Armour F-14 you are talking about. There is a 1/100 scale which has its wings fixed in the extended position. The 1/48 scale Armour F-14 has it wings in the retracted position and features a much higher level of detail and sells for $90.00. The enamel paint you talking about is not applied to all Armour planes, the planes that do have that finish are suppose to. Many camo’s in the Navy during the 70’s had a very high gloss paint job, Armours VF-84 F-14A reflects that peroid of time. I will be the first to say that I don’t know everything about die-cast planes, however I have seen in person just about every military die-cast plane made I the last six years. My own collection consists of one or more of each type of die-cast military manufacture. Armour: six 1/48 jets (F-4, F-14, F-15, F-18), & three 1/48 warbirds (P-51D, Bf-109, F4U) Dragon: two F-16’s one F-18C Gain Corp: Su-34 Corgi: two F-4’s Air Command: F-18C Model Power: 35 jets & war birds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdenham Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 is there a 1/72 corgi F-14 jolly rogers? Corgi don't make an F-14 in their 1/72 scale Aviation Archive series. Graham Corgi is going to be releasing a 1-64 scale F-14D from VF-2 Bounty Hunters. The Tomcat will sell for around $23.99 and will be part of Corgi’s new Tactical strike series. This new series will also include two helicopters a AH-6J “Little Bird”, & a AH-64D Apache Longbow; unfortunately the AH-64 looks really bad. Several ground vehicles will also be included such as two versions of the M1A1 Abrams Tank, a M2A2 Bradley, as well as two version of the hummer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akilae Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 slightly OT.. but for a bunch of people (yes, counting me...) who seem to idolize size and detail... why not snag a Tamiya 1/32 F-14A? I built one way back when, and it's still the most impressive thing sitting in my display... if only my niece hadn't tried to play around with it and broke the landing gear, nose cone, and the nozzels...... maybe I'll snag another one and paint it better this time around :-p Unless, of course, I'm missing the point TOTALLY and we're talking about 1/48s to go with the Yamato Valks... and pre-assembled to reduce the hassle.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhafabio Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 (edited) i was looking for a 1/18 scale F4u-d corsair. when i found a 1/18 scale Blackhawk at toys r us for 69$ last week. i would have gotten it,if it were half that in price. but it got me thinking how big would a f-14 or f-15 be if it were 1/18 scale. Edited January 31, 2004 by buddhafabio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 What about the other Armor 1:48 jets, it seems that we all agree that the F-14 model is bad, but what about the MiG-29? I was thinking of getting the JG-73-1 MiG-29 they made or maybe the A-10, but the picks of the A-10 I've seen are not that impressive. The MiG-29 looks good from the pictures though, any thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdenham Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 (edited) I final got a Digital camera so I though I would share some comparison pic’s of the Yamato 1/48 VF-1S & a Armour 1/48 F-14A VF-84. Edited February 11, 2004 by rdenham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbs357 Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 That one doesn't look bad. I'd like to get one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 That 1/64 Corgi looks to have a nice finish, but it's the infamous "almost but not quite a D", and the overall shape just looks off. Too short/squat. Anyways---I want a consistent scale if at all possible. Dragon's F-15 is delayed, but it IS coming. (March is current best guess). Ironically, the weapons sets are already out, so you can tell how the missiles will mount, since the AIM-7's are clearly intended for F-15's only. (Makes me wonder what they'll do for the F-14---Phoenix only?) Tamiya---all F-14's are inherently more difficult and time-consuming than any other plane, which is why I don't build them. Even a Tamiya. Also, the excessively high price is another. (Their 1/350 ships are several times larger, fit better, yet cost a lot less) I'd like one of the Gaincorp Flankers, but the price is a bit high. Will snag one if they ever go down. The Su-35 looks especially neat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdenham Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 Pics #2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chronocidal Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 It is true that most F-14 models are hideously complex, either in construction or detailing.. or in Hasegawa's case, both But that doesn't mean that easy to build F-14 kits don't exist. If you want a very easy F-14 kit, get the old Fujimi release from a while ago.. I don't remember exactly when it was released, but it has a blue and white box, with a checkertailed F-14 on the box (can't remember the squadron unfortunately.. the box is back at home ) That thing has the most incredible parts fit I've ever seen on any model, PERIOD. The cockpit isn't detailed at all, with simple decal instruments, bucket looking seats, and swamp-thing type pilots, but it'll make a great flight display model. I haven't assembled mine all the way yet, but the landing gear doors fit perfectly to cover the wheel wells, and the overall fit of the parts is nearly perfect. The overall detail isn't the best by far, but it's a perfect easy kit to make into a quick display piece. Plus, it's much more accurate than the Motorworks one, and probably cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 (edited) Yup, the Fujimi has by far the best fit. But it still needs work on the intake undersides, IIRC. And now they're hard to find/expensive. I currently have the following attitude towards models: if there's a good affordable diecast version, I buy it. Thus, I buy 1/72 and 1/400 planes, and 1/18 cars. There are currently no ships anywhere near the price/quality range I want. Ironically Franklin Mint makes one of the cheapest, the $600 Missouri. Which is painted totally wrong. Everything else is either painted even more incorrectly, or costs several grand. Thus, I slowly build my own ships. Finish/fit aren't as good (I am not that good a modeler---mass-produced stuff made by poor laborers in China can and will do a better job than me), but at least they're painted right, which is VERY important when we're talking about camoflage schemes. Nothing annoys me more than seeing an all-grey US battleship, when NONE were ever painted like that. Even in peace-time, there should be 2 or 3 colors on the decks. Dragon's planes rock because they are basically pre-painted diecast versions of Hasegawa's kits. At half the price. (And this has me fearful that Dragon's F-15E will have the same errors as Hase's) Edited February 11, 2004 by David Hingtgen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdenham Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 I agree with David if you are not a pro-level modeler go with the die cast option. Although I do like the size of the 1/48 scale jets I have but a halt to buying 1/48’s except for warbirds. The 1/72 jets; are cheaper, take up less space, and most importantly are more accurate than their larger counter parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdenham Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 Pic #2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rdenham Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 I just viewed the pic’s I posted on this page on a friends computer and they are all way to bright my vid card must be going bad, cause they look great on my machine. I guess their is no reason to mention this except for the fact that they just don’t look the way they should and I take pride in my photography. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted February 11, 2004 Author Share Posted February 11, 2004 I final got a Digital camera so I though I would share some comparison pic’s of the Yamato 1/48 VF-1S & a Armour 1/48 F-14A VF-84. Thank you. Saves me from buying a 1/48 Armour f-14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 rdenham---yup, they're pretty washed-up/high contrast. PS--Ironically, I have nearly the exact same F-4's, only the Corgi versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewilen Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 The pictures look fine on my monitor here, but I think mine tends to be a bit on the dark side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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