The Fourth Kind

[Fortress_Maximus]

Has anyone watched this film, "THE FOURTH KIND"? The film depicts the questionable events that occured in Nome, Alaska during 2000.

Official site: http://www.thefourthkind.net/

Review: http://www.ufodigest.com/news/1109/thefourthkind.php

Thoughts? Impressions if you saw it, share.

[taksraven]

Has anyone watched this film, "THE FOURTH KIND"? The film depicts the questionable events that occured in Nome, Alaska during 2000.

Official site: http://www.thefourthkind.net/

Review: http://www.ufodigest.com/news/1109/thefourthkind.php

Thoughts? Impressions if you saw it, share.

And besides, nothing beats THIS.

Taksraven

[hutch]

Saw it...it was...okay. Not very scary at all. Plot was strange, the way the sheriff handles things is pretty unbelievable.

I felt it didn't fulfill it's potential at all.

[HappyPenguins]

eh it doesn't appeal to me in any sense....

just looks boring and uninteresting

[Einherjar]

What are the first three kinds?

[hutch]

What are the first three kinds?

1. See a UFO

2. See physical evidence of a UFO

3. See aliens

4. Abduction

Although I'll admit, the title sounds vaguely pornographic to me.

[taksraven]

What are the first three kinds?

There you go, enough close encounter types to sink a ship......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_encounter

Taksraven

[anime52k8]

And besides, nothing beats THIS.

Taksraven

oh dear, lets hope his alien abduction insurance policy is up to date.

[Freiflug88]

And besides, nothing beats THIS.

Taksraven

Oh yeah nothing beats "Fire in the Sky." Alot of people look at me as if I am crazy when I say this, but I did have a Close Encounter of the Forth Kind of my own years ago and the aliens I saw wore bodysuits similar to the aliens in "Fire in the Sky". Instead of the familiar gray though0 they were jet black and the slanted eyes had this eerie white glow to them, but once one of them got really close and in my face I could clearly see that it was an artificial lens embedded with LEDs for night vision and in my case induce temporary blindness and make me black out.

[Vepariga]

will take abit to beat Fire in the Sky, but i want to see this film so ill be checking it out as soon as i can,Im really into this stuff,i research it a fair bit.

Freiflug88,id like to hear a detailed account of your experiance,did you feel strange or notice anything different when you woke? any thing else you can recall of the event?

Edited November 14, 2009 by Vepariga

[Freiflug88]

Freiflug88,id like to hear a detailed account of your experiance,did you feel strange or notice anything different when you woke? any thing else you can recall of the event?

Of course, as one of the few moments in my life where I was geuninely scared for my life its a night that I will never forget. It was October 7th 2005, the first Friday night of that October and I went to bed to around 11 pm after taking my contacts out. I don't remember how long I was actually in my bed but in what felt like a very short I just felt this presence and I wake up to find myself paralyzed staring at this dark figure standing in the hallway. All I could move was eyes and my whole body felt completely numb. In the hallway all I could see was this dark silhoute with this bright surreal purple glow illuminating the entire hallway behind him. I tried to jump out of bed to attack this intruder, but not only was I paraylzed I also felt as if the alien was telepathcially taunting me as their was this faint mental voice repeating things like "It's helpless, you can't even move your body." As he walked into my room I noticed that their were 3 more of them behind him moving to surround me, since my bed was in the corner of my room though they had to stand in pairs in front of me and to my left rather then surround the bed on all 4 sides like they were apparently planning.

I was eying the two that was waling closet to me as they approached the left side of my bed and they appeared to be no bigger then 5 feet 7. Their slender bodies won't appear physically imposing on their own, but seeing these jet black silhoutes contrasted by these glowing white eyes I couldn't help but, fear they were demons that had come to kill me. The first alien was standing to my left and he leaned over to get right in my face and I could see that the unnaturally blackness of their bodies contrasted againist their glowing white eyes was clearly an artificial suit and mask. I coundn't see the aliens actual eyes, but I could see close up that his oval "eyes" were really tinted lenses with a dozen tiny LEDs or almost want to say neon headlights shining around the inner edges of his. After staring eye to eye with this alien for a few moments I suddenly went blind and everything went dark. There was no painful flash or anything, it was more like eye to eye contact or some alien mind trick had just triggered my brain to not register any sight . I was still concious and self-aware but my vision was pitch black and I felt like I was being levitated up in the air. Then the next thing I know I feel a cold pair of arms lift me up and just kind of drop me from what felt like a foot or two above my bed and I am fast asleep. The afternoon sun woke me up and I found myself shivering in the fetal position in my bed shirtless with my shirt and blankets. That is when it really shook me that my experience could have been more then just a waking dream or nightmare. I don't remember anything aboard a UFO and I haven't had any X-rays to look for alien implants or anything of that nature though.

[taksraven]

Well, here is one thing that people mistake for UFO's. Its a cool website too.

www.heavens-above.com

Taksraven

[Max Jenius]

As an Alaskan for 25 years, I stand by the "people got drunk and stupidly wandered off" theory for the disappearances.

Plus, there's far too many white people in the movie. Also... an african-american in Nome would be hard to conceal like the viral marketing claims.

[EXO]

What this film needs is Ninjas! And Assassins!

[Max Jenius]

What this film needs is Ninjas! And Assassins!

And a more accurate portrayal of Nome... a coastal city... not some town in the middle of the woods as the trailer would have you believe.

[Vepariga]

thanks for that Freiflug88, amazing account I would be scared too if that happened to me. Ive heard of some abductions happening more then once,so lucky that havent been back, It always leaves the question 'what did they do?'.

[Freiflug88]

thanks for that Freiflug88, amazing account I would be scared too if that happened to me. Ive heard of some abductions happening more then once,so lucky that havent been back, It always leaves the question 'what did they do?'.

Google Prof. David Jacobs and /or checkout his book "The Threat: What The Aliens Really Want And How They Plan To Get It." He has been studying alien abductions for over 30 years and his hypothesis is that the grey aliens that have been abducting people in recent decades are breeding alien-human hyrbids for plans to intergrate them into our society. Many UFO researchers almost unanimously support this notion of alien-human hybridization, to them the biggest questions to them is what does this hybridization program mean for "us" purebred humans and is this part of an evil invasion agenda or are the aliens simply a desperate and dying race? Several have even suggested that the aliens are the anti-christ that will brings about the end of the world as written in the Bible's Book of Revelations.

Personally I don't believe the aliens are evil demons out to destroy or conquer humanity. I think its more like the aliens view us as we do animals due to the huge gap in how we communicate and understand each other. We for instance think little of conducting experiments, tagging animals, and even harvesting animals for own gain and survival because we can't communicate and interact with them as we do fellow humans. On the hand those same actions done to humans are often labeled unethical, illegal, etc, Just look at things from the greys perspective. The universal description of these aliens has been that they have zero genitalla, and void of emotion, and communicate solely though telepathically. On top of that many are observed to be extremely short with frail looking bodies as they rely on passively incapacitating humans with their apparent mental abilities rather then seizing us violently with physical or lethal force. Think of how they probably fear and misunderstand us humans, who are very emotional, sexual, and violent in nature. We not only revel in watching movies, shows, and porno that play off of your primal violent instincts, but we find excuses to renact those very same acts in our lifes with the people we argue with, fights with, sleep with, and the nations we go to war with each and everyday. To the aliens that apparently communicate telepathy and seem to have little or no conflict from misunderstanding or difference of opioun we are probably viewed as violent primal beasts. So they probably feel justified tagging and experimenting with us with out our voluntarily permission, just as we tranquilize and put tracers on wild tigers and sharks without their permission.

I believe we have more to fear from the alien hybrids. The aliens maybe dying from lack of natural reproduction, but how are they rasing their half-human offspring who will apparently be entrusted with the future? I mean if they are half human they will surely have just as much capacity as we do for good and evil. I am sure we will be glad to meet nice Gondi and Mother Teresa type hybrids, but what do we do if we have Hitler's and rapists with inherited alien technology and paralyzing mind powers? I hate to make a lame otaku reference, but it sounds like being a normal person in Gundam, powerless to do nothing, but befriend or order around a newtype to fight off that terrifying newtypes you have no hope of fighting yourself.

[taksraven]

Google Prof. David Jacobs and /or checkout his book "The Threat: What The Aliens Really Want And How They Plan To Get It." He has been studying alien abductions for over 30 years and his hypothesis is that the grey aliens that have been abducting people in recent decades are breeding alien-human hyrbids for plans to intergrate them into our society. Many UFO researchers almost unanimously support this notion of alien-human hybridization, to them the biggest questions to them is what does this hybridization program mean for "us" purebred humans and is this part of an evil invasion agenda or are the aliens simply a desperate and dying race? Several have even suggested that the aliens are the anti-christ that will brings about the end of the world as written in the Bible's Book of Revelations.

Been watching too many episodes of the X-Files. What proof is there that aliens exist and are here amongst us? Not trying to start a shitfight here and I am not namecalling, I just think that if we are going to get serious about talking about topics like this, the people putting the ideas forward need more evidence than "UFO researchers almost unanimously support this notion", which to me reads like a load of crap.

Personally I don't believe the aliens are evil demons out to destroy or conquer humanity. I think its more like the aliens view us as we do animals due to the huge gap in how we communicate and understand each other. We for instance think little of conducting experiments, tagging animals, and even harvesting animals for own gain and survival because we can't communicate and interact with them as we do fellow humans. On the hand those same actions done to humans are often labeled unethical, illegal, etc, Just look at things from the greys perspective. The universal description of these aliens has been that they have zero genitalla, and void of emotion, and communicate solely though telepathically. On top of that many are observed to be extremely short with frail looking bodies as they rely on passively incapacitating humans with their apparent mental abilities rather then seizing us violently with physical or lethal force. Think of how they probably fear and misunderstand us humans, who are very emotional, sexual, and violent in nature. We not only revel in watching movies, shows, and porno that play off of your primal violent instincts, but we find excuses to renact those very same acts in our lifes with the people we argue with, fights with, sleep with, and the nations we go to war with each and everyday. To the aliens that apparently communicate telepathy and seem to have little or no conflict from misunderstanding or difference of opioun we are probably viewed as violent primal beasts. So they probably feel justified tagging and experimenting with us with out our voluntarily permission, just as we tranquilize and put tracers on wild tigers and sharks without their permission.

I believe we have more to fear from the alien hybrids. The aliens maybe dying from lack of natural reproduction, but how are they rasing their half-human offspring who will apparently be entrusted with the future? I mean if they are half human they will surely have just as much capacity as we do for good and evil. I am sure we will be glad to meet nice Gondi and Mother Teresa type hybrids, but what do we do if we have Hitler's and rapists with inherited alien technology and paralyzing mind powers? I hate to make a lame otaku reference, but it sounds like being a normal person in Gundam, powerless to do nothing, but befriend or order around a newtype to fight off that terrifying newtypes you have no hope of fighting yourself.

I think that it is possible to have a relatively serious discussion about the existence of aliens in the universe in general and whether or not they have had contact/are in contact with humans, I like to try to have an open mind. But I also think it is good to discuss a topic like this with an approach that is as rational and scientific as possible.

So, we start with "What hard evidence is there that humans have encountered alien species?"

Taksraven

(The mods will probably try to kill this discussion)

[Vepariga]

So, we start with "What hard evidence is there that humans have encountered alien species?"

Taksraven

well thats the hard thing, lets call Alien beings,masters of staying elusive,they dont bring anything down with them that could be left behind, all we have is witness accounts,photographs ( a rare amount are genuine unfortunatly), theorys on ancient carvings from lost civilazations and relics that are questionable in design and video footage of the ufo phenomena, also there was a press confrence called 'The Disclosure project' where many high ranking officials and military personnel come forward to give there testimonals on what they have seen and encountered,some put forward some amazing accounts and these are from respected and reputatable people. unfortunately for the average person and researcher this is all we have to go on as our evidence.

I myself have seen UFO's before where i live,and even the airforce base reported that no aircraft was out there,I remember it like yesterday I was inside watching "mars attacks" lol funny, and my dad said to come out side and 'check this out!' went out side and there they where, 4 bright orange slow moving objects,like sleek almond shape,no sound,one of the most amazing things ive ever seen pretty much everyone saw them they travelled slowly for about 10 minutes before just disappearing. the next night had black hawks flying around all night,good week.

Edited November 17, 2009 by Vepariga

[Vic Mancini]

I liked it. But I'm a sucker for anything about aliens/abduction. I especially liked how

the aliens in the Fourth Kind speak Sumerian. I find theories about aliens intervening in our ancient history very fascinating, and the Sumerian angle is one of the most popular alien theories out there that you don't see too often in film. I also like movies that leave things to the imagination and The Fourth Kind does that well. The closest thing you ever actually see to an alien is a white owl, and I kind of dig that.

One thing that seems to polarize everyone I know who's seen the movie is the fact that the movie is basically a hoax. All the archival footage and archival audio that they claim is real in the movie is 100% fake according to my research. From what I've read, Dr. Abigail Tyler doesn't even exist. So if the knowledge of that bothers you - skip it. If you like movies about alien abduction, and you don't mind that all the archival footage is a hoax - see it. It's way better than the 17% rating on rottentomatos.com.

Edited November 17, 2009 by Vic Mancini

[taksraven]

This is pretty bad stuff. Faking news articles and an obituary to help promote your cheesy film????!!!!!

Very low, Universal.......

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9...;show_article=1

Taksraven

[Ghost Train]

The biggest sign of intelligent life in the universe is that they have decided for many years to ignore our calls and facebook friend requests.

On a more serious note, (and I stated the same thing on the 2012 thread), the whole alien influence thing is a thinly veiled form of racism in my opinion. Anything built by a non-European/Western civilization has supposedly been attributed to aliens since said incredibly works (pyramids, nazca lines, etc.) are supposedly tooooo advanced for the "local people" to do.

[eugimon]

The biggest sign of intelligent life in the universe is that they have decided for many years to ignore our calls and facebook friend requests.

On a more serious note, (and I stated the same thing on the 2012 thread), the whole alien influence thing is a thinly veiled form of racism in my opinion. Anything built by a non-European/Western civilization has supposedly been attributed to aliens since said incredibly works (pyramids, nazca lines, etc.) are supposedly tooooo advanced for the "local people" to do.

I don't think the racism is thinly veiled at all. It's rather blatant. In the same sort of fashion that Genghis Kahn is called a barbarian and Alexander is called the "great".

[Vic Mancini]

On a more serious note, (and I stated the same thing on the 2012 thread), the whole alien influence thing is a thinly veiled form of racism in my opinion. Anything built by a non-European/Western civilization has supposedly been attributed to aliens since said incredibly works (pyramids, nazca lines, etc.) are supposedly tooooo advanced for the "local people" to do.

First of all, that's not true. There are plenty of theories involving Area 51 and how many modern day technologies, weapons systems, propulsion, etc...were all reverse engineered tech from the Roswell crash.

Secondly, that only seems true because only non-Euro things are too ancient and so amazing that we can't totally account for them. Aren't they? For example, it's not like anyone can claim Aliens built the Colosseum. What things in Europe and in the western civilization fall under both categories of:

A) Pre-dating history records

and

B) Being so amazing that we can't imagine how they were built?

^

I'm not a history buff, so this is a genuine question.

In other words, what is the European equivalent of Giza that I would have to believe was built by aliens in order to make me a non-racist?

Thirdly, the theory being hinted at in the Fourth Kind is

that the alien intervention pre-dated the Sumerians...The first civilization on Earth that invented writing, the wheel, agriculture, math, etc. Ergo, if the aliens intervened with the Sumerians, and the Sumerians were basically the fore fathers of us all

...then where's the racism?

[eugimon]

The problem is we have working theories on how the pyramids were built. We have evidence of the evolution of the form and the techniques used to build them. Same for the pyramid forms in South America. We have egyptian records on food production, we know where the rock was quarried... we have all this information and yet the conspiracy theorists keep claiming that it's "impossible" for ancient egyptians to have built the pyramids.

Yet when we have a euro mega work, stonehenge, it's all about how it was a prehistoric religious artifact and not some alien built something or other.

[Vic Mancini]

Yet when we have a euro mega work, stonehenge, it's all about how it was a prehistoric religious artifact and not some alien built something or other.

Are you kidding?

Do a google search for "Stonehenge + Aliens" and tell me how many hits you get.

[eugimon]

Are you kidding?

Do a google search for "Stonehenge + Aliens" and tell me how many hits you get.

sure, 2 million hits in google, compared to 6 million for "pyramids aliens"

for stonehenge + aliens, by the third entry we already have people debunking the alien connection

The first page for pyamids + aliens is almost entirely pro-alien sites, even going for aliens in china...

If you look at the wiki article: ancient astronauts, nearly all the "evidence" is from non european sources. Do a google search for "ancient alien evidence" once again, nearly all non-european "evidence", most of the main hits pointing to ancient egypt with some south american and chinese stuff thrown in for flavor.

Edited November 17, 2009 by eugimon

[Vic Mancini]

sure, 2 million hits in google, compared to 6 million for "pyramids aliens"

for stonehenge + aliens, by the third entry we already have people debunking the alien connection

The first page for pyamids + aliens is almost entirely pro-alien sites, even going for aliens in china...

I don't understand. You're making this post as if it doesn't prove my point.

[eugimon]

I don't understand. You're making this post as if it doesn't prove my point.

It's pretty clear, there are people who are quick to debunk the alien + stonehenge myth, and just from breaking down the numbers, the euro+alien connection is a 1/3rd less popular than the non-euro+alien connection. Yet the same is not true for aliens + pyramids, in fact, many UFO conspiracy folk actively point to the pyramids as their "proof"

If your point is that alien conspiracy theories have a not so subtle undercurrent of racism then yes, I'm proving your point.

[Vic Mancini]

It's pretty clear, there are people who are quick to debunk the alien + stonehenge myth, and just from breaking down the numbers, the euro+alien connection is a 1/3rd less popular than the non-euro+alien connection. Yet the same is not true for aliens + pyramids, in fact, many UFO conspiracy folk actively point to the pyramids as their "proof"

If your point is that alien conspiracy theories have a not so subtle undercurrent of racism then yes, I'm proving your point.

So you're saying people are debunking the alien/stonhenge connection because they are white supremacists and it has nothing to do with the fact that Stonhenge might be easier to debunk than Giza in a logistical way?

I'd say 2 million+ hits for a stonehenge/alien connection, (whether they are being more readily debunked or not), pretty much squelches any notion of racism being involved.

Besides Stonehenge, are there any other monuments/constructions/etc that aren't getting enough connection to aliens by the not so subtle racists of the UFO community?

Edited November 17, 2009 by Vic Mancini

[taksraven]

sure, 2 million hits in google, compared to 6 million for "pyramids aliens"

for stonehenge + aliens, by the third entry we already have people debunking the alien connection

The first page for pyamids + aliens is almost entirely pro-alien sites, even going for aliens in china...

If you look at the wiki article: ancient astronauts, nearly all the "evidence" is from non european sources. Do a google search for "ancient alien evidence" once again, nearly all non-european "evidence", most of the main hits pointing to ancient egypt with some south american and chinese stuff thrown in for flavor.

You make a valid point and it is a form of racism. Its just a real pity that more do not see it as such, but Pseudoscience is usually good at trying to make itself seem legitimate.

I was inclined to believe some of the Ancient Astronaut crap until i read the excellent "The Space Gods Revealed" at the age of 16 which debunked pretty much all of the crackpot theories.

Taksraven

[Ghost Train]

First of all, that's not true. There are plenty of theories involving Area 51 and how many modern day technologies, weapons systems, propulsion, etc...were all reverse engineered tech from the Roswell crash.

There are academic papers, theories (written by humans), designs, blueprints, and a research trail that account for all of the great inventions of the 20th century. There are a few "guys on the internet" that claim that our technology derives from aliens.... who is more credible?

Secondly, that only seems true because only non-Euro things are too ancient and so amazing that we can't totally account for them. Aren't they? For example, it's not like anyone can claim Aliens built the Colosseum. What things in Europe and in the western civilization fall under both categories of:

A) Pre-dating history records

and

B) Being so amazing that we can't imagine how they were built?

Rome was one step away from an industrial revolution. They were advanced to the point of having indoor plumbing, unparalleled knowledge of engineering, and a level of culture whose sophistication rivals our own. If I were ignorant, I could easily claim that "teh aliens" gave Rome its knowledge but I'm not, as there is clear historical evidence to suggest the opposite.

Just because the historical trail is not clear for Giza, and other marvels, does not automatically mean that there was alien intervention. Why not exhaust all possible options (like oh say... the Egyptians were good at math and had a substantial labor force) before bringing ET's into the equation? Honestly, building a static object that aligns to the sky requires only an advanced understanding of trigonometry which is one of the most basic forms of math.

Thirdly, the theory being hinted at in the Fourth Kind is

that the alien intervention pre-dated the Sumerians...The first civilization on Earth that invented writing, the wheel, agriculture, math, etc. Ergo, if the aliens intervened with the Sumerians, and the Sumerians were basically the fore fathers of us all

...then where's the racism?

The Sumerians were not the forefathers of all modern civilization (arguably for the middle east yes). They were the earliest to make significant cultural and technological strides, but by the time that happened humans were already spread across the globe and well into the Americas as the last ice age had ended. The civilizations of Asia, Europe, and the Americas came into being relatively independently.

Think about this:

First Kittyhawk flight: 1903

Sputnick: 1957

Difference: 54 years

In less than a century, humans went from barely flying to finding out a way to break into space, it is not inconceivable for me that people X thousands of years ago figured out a way to build a big structure.

Edit: and lol @ Google hits. From the people who brought you this:

(Hint: Not everything on the internet is true, or useful)

Edited November 17, 2009 by Ghost Train

[Vic Mancini]

Hey buddy,

Don't assume I believe in alien/human intervention theories, just because I disagree about it being a form of racism.

If I were ignorant, I could easily claim that "teh aliens" gave Rome its knowledge but I'm not, as there is clear historical evidence to suggest the opposite.

Don't you see that's exactly why Rome is excluded from links to aliens. Not because of racism.

That's my point.

Just because the historical trail is not clear for Giza, and other marvels, does not automatically mean that there was alien intervention.

Of course it doesn't. Did I say it does?

The Sumerians were not the forefathers of all modern civilization (arguably for the middle east yes). They were the earliest to make significant cultural and technological strides, but by the time that happened humans were already spread across the globe and well into the Americas as the last ice age had ended. The civilizations of Asia, Europe, and the Americas came into being relatively independently.

Again, the main theory is that alien intervention pre-dated the Sumerians. Most of the theories actually involve homo sapiens being a synthesized race. Hybrids of homo errectus and alien DNA. According to the popular theory, alien intervention would've been occuring maybe up to hundreds of thousands of years before the Sumerians. Some theories I've read claim the Sumerians and Mayans were part of the phase out strategy. Aliens decided to leave the planet and gave culture to the slave races around the globe before departing. ...Again, not a racist theory if it involves planting the genetic seeds and cultures of every race.

And again, don't assume I believe in these theories.

I just don't believe they are racist until you can find me Western/Euro equivalents to the Giza pyramids that UFO/Alien believers should by all means be associating with alien intervention if not for the supposed racist-factor.

Edited November 17, 2009 by Vic Mancini

[EXO]

alright, cut the racism and supremacist talk here...

They said Aliens, not illegal aliens!

[VFTF1]

Freiflug88 - very interesting and haunting story and posts. In general, very interesting topic. I agree with Taks about needing to be serious and present evidence - but on the other hand... let's be honest- none of us have any "evidence." Freiflug88 has personal experience - but it's always going to be a case of whether or not people believe him, and clearly HE believes himself.

It's a delicate subject. I think to discuss it, you need to keep in mind that you're not ever going to have definitive evidence really.

I am, however, certainly sympathetic to the notion that there is extraterrestrial life, and also I am actually hopeful that there is extraterrestrial life.

I would like nothing better than to be like Haruhi Suzumiya in the opening to that anime - where a hand reaches down and takes her away on a magical adventure...or at least that's my assumption.

Anyways - there's certainly no point in having a passionate fight over this subject because nobody is going to be able to prove anybody wrong since always the issue will be blurred.

I think it's just more interesting to listen - to absord stories like Freiflug88's, to watch these kind of movies and think about them and the implications and to keep an open mind.

Personally... let me think...

No - I don't think I've ever had an alien encounter. If I did, then I must have had my mind blanked out because I remember nothing... I never saw a UFO....

But people tend to be scary enough. Give me aliens any day!

Pete