doodler7 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Do you guys know if fast packs will be included on the first releases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Do you guys know if fast packs will be included on the first releases? I think the packs come with Michel and Luca, but Alto's is confirmed to be sold seperately(not sure if this is just initially), and Ozma will not come with armor either...(most of us think the heavy armor bundle is inevitable though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruskiiVFaussie Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 damn, so anyone think the armour and fast pack accesories will be included in their own packs? Hope so. They better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awacs Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 I think my standards must be a bit lower than most folks because like VFTF1 a few pages back I am pretty happy with the 1/60th. It isn't entirely one hundred percent accurate to the model but I find myself looking at it and thinking "yeah, that is near enough for horseshoes(or hand grenades)". There has been only two things stopping me putting in a preorder - one was not knowing whether either of them were coming with any accessories that the other lacks (and it sounds like they don't), and the other is an attack of indecision as to whether I want the Ozma version or the Alto. (Seeing as I can't have both). (Mind you, the reason I can't have both is I want to be absolutely sure that I have the funds available for the Michel version once it hits - ludicrous mecha-scale sniper weapons are definitely a hit with me.) Karl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostkiller Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 fair enough but have you realised that you will not be able to put the gun pod in fighter mode with the gears down with michel ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awacs Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 fair enough but have you realised that you will not be able to put the gun pod in fighter mode with the gears down with michel ? Isn't that why the hory froating head invented Gerwalk mode? :-) Karl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostkiller Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Isn't that why the hory froating head invented Gerwalk mode? :-) Karl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Isn't that why the hory froating head invented Gerwalk mode? :-) Karl No, but it is what properly proportioned landing gear are for. But then again, nothing else is in proportion on the DX, so why should the landing gears be different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awacs Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 No, but it is what properly proportioned landing gear are for. But then again, nothing else is in proportion on the DX, so why should the landing gears be different? At least it is demonstrating the virtue of consistency....... Karl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostkiller Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 No, but it is what properly proportioned landing gear are for. But then again, nothing else is in proportion on the DX, so why should the landing gears be different? lol stop breaking dreams Eugimon you are badassssssssssssss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vifam7 Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 fair enough but have you realised that you will not be able to put the gun pod in fighter mode with the gears down with michel ? Assuming that the landing gears will be exactly as the prototypes show it as. And assuming that Michel's Valk will have the same gears. Who knows. Maybe the gears will be the right length when finalized. Or maybe the gunpod will be craftily made to fit underneath. Or maybe when Bandai gets to Michel's 25, they realize they have to go back to the drawing boards. Awacs, if I were you, I'd wait for the DX Michel version to come out since that one is confirmed as coming with fast packs. Not to mention, if there are any defects to the first DX Alto, those issues may be solved by the time Bandai gets to Michel's 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostkiller Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 I think We all better listen to Vifam7 here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miriya Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 But there is no guarantee that they will come out with michael. Especially if not enough people buy the first run of Alto and Ozma. If those are bombs then they are likely to drop the line and stick with the already successful snap kits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 I think We all better listen to Vifam7 here yeah, in all seriousness, I think/hope the landing gear we've seen are just temps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie addict Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 makes to no sense to do 'temp' landing gear and put high quality pics of it on the internet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 makes to no sense to do 'temp' landing gear and put high quality pics of it on the internet... True, but if Shin can hold out hope that there will be a miraculous zero hour redo of the wonky proportions that fixes the porn crotch, the overly wide chest, the elongated shoulder assembly, the giant gaps in fighter mode and the incorrect leg position in fighter mode, then I can hold out hope for a zero hour landing gear fix while they're at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDF-ONE Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Give the DX team a break! I got the kit today and it made me think. The DX team has a much harder task than the kit team. Both teams of course try to make their product as good looking as possible, but the DX team has two serious limitations. 1) It has to be durable: A good looking toy won't sell if people know it breaks. The kit uses loads of joints to get the parts into place. It looks good, but it also makes it is very breakable. For a kit this is acceptable as you are not supposed to play with it (very much). For a toy this is unacceptable. The DX team probably uses a simplified system to make it more sturdy. But this simplified system also gives it less desirable proportions in the other modes. It is a simple trade-off. 2) It has to be easy to assemble: I've just spent a good few hours assembling the kit. And I am still not done yet. For a kit this is no problem, but for a toy this would be unthinkable. The production costs would be too high. Again this leads to a more simplified design for the toy. So, give the DX team a break. No, I am not affiliated with them. Just don't compare a toy to a kit simply by its looks. I know everyone wants the toy to look as good as possible, but if it is not durable or if it is too expensive then not even you would want it. -just my two cents- -or perhaps I left the glue jar open for too long- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruskiiVFaussie Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 What flavoured glue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDF-ONE Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 What flavoured glue? Pineapple of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumdumgai Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 DX team has no excuse for us to cut them any slack. Bandai has been in the business for a long time, they have teams that have made mecha for a long time, and they have had teams that have made transforming mecha. Bandai has produced toys with smaller joints and thinner looking limbs that have been durable (Saint Cloth Myth line for example). Model kits are made of a less durable plastic anyway, and the 1/60 is going to have metal parts as well. According to Bandai fanboys in the past, Bandai were supposed to be able to put out something that would not only kick Yamato's ass in terms of looks, but also be super durable with no QC problems. From what I've seen of other Bandai stuff, I know they have the ability to make a good VF-25. They're either: A) Not trying. or B) Purposefully making the 1/60 this way to cut costs on development or because marketing believes that funky-chunky=looks robust=will sell better. For the price point the 1/60 is going at, it's similar to the price point of Yamato's VF-1 V2. And Yamato is a smaller company that puts out valkyries with LOTS of parts to be assembled. I don't buy the easy to assemble bit. Especially with the power that Bandai has. If that is the case, then like many people worried about, Bandai cheaped out on us. I'm still hoping Bandai will miraculously solve all the proportion problems, have transparent plastic nose sensors, and have some good landing gear. But I sure as hell am not holding my breath on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hikaroso Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Have you seen the new pre-order pics for the vf-25's on Bigbadtoystore? Are those pics of the toy or the model? http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product...amp;picture=out http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product...amp;picture=out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Train Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 (edited) Have you seen the new pre-order pics for the vf-25's on Bigbadtoystore? Are those pics of the toy or the model? http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product...amp;picture=out http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product...amp;picture=out Ozma version photo they have is definitely the model, I think someone had posted the exact same pic on the 1/72 model thread. Now... the Alto one, I'm not so sure. it has the beefier look of the 1/60 DX, but it could just be my eyes playing tricks on me. In all likelihood the folks at big bad toy store probably made an error here. Edited October 2, 2008 by Ghost Train Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Have you seen the new pre-order pics for the vf-25's on Bigbadtoystore? Are those pics of the toy or the model? http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product...amp;picture=out http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product...amp;picture=out the alto is a picture of the model, but it's not transfromed right. the legs are sitting too high so it looks shitty like the 1/60, but if you look closely you can see swing arms that can lower the legs, which means it's the model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 For the price point the 1/60 is going at, it's similar to the price point of Yamato's VF-1 V2. And Yamato is a smaller company that puts out valkyries with LOTS of parts to be assembled. I don't buy the easy to assemble bit. Especially with the power that Bandai has. If that is the case, then like many people worried about, Bandai cheaped out on us. Its a similar price point, but the VF-25 is in the same size class as the YF-21, YF-19, VF-0, et al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperHobo Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 the alto is a picture of the model, but it's not transfromed right. the legs are sitting too high so it looks shitty like the 1/60, but if you look closely you can see swing arms that can lower the legs, which means it's the model. Considering those are the model pictures mistransformed I'm wondering if those awkward hip placements have been like the DX where the hips are just mistransformed. We know the hips can be positioned much lower on the model. Yes its a long shot, but it would be nice for bandai to pull a miracle. I still have faith, but patience is running thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumdumgai Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Its a similar price point, but the VF-25 is in the same size class as the YF-21, YF-19, VF-0, et al. Ah, but like the VF-1 the VF-25 has a lot of color schemes that can be produced to milk the mold. Not as many as with the VF-1, but still a fair amount: Alto, Ozma, Michel, Lucca, Cannon Fodder, M-zero stand in, Sheryl scheme (All that VF), Ranka scheme (All that VF), and 25th Anniversary (All that VF). Being much larger of a company, I think the cost of materials would be negligible for Bandai concerning the size of the VF-25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruskiiVFaussie Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Gundam gundam gundam gundam gundam... macross? what? GUNDAM. G U N D A M. someone drag that pic back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Considering those are the model pictures mistransformed I'm wondering if those awkward hip placements have been like the DX where the hips are just mistransformed. We know the hips can be positioned much lower on the model. Yes its a long shot, but it would be nice for bandai to pull a miracle. I still have faith, but patience is running thin. There’s almost no chance the hips will be fixed unless they completely redesign the crotch. As it is there's no way for it to be miss transformed. The model has clearly visible swing arms; the DX has pegs that stick strait out form the crotch piece, no way for it to swing. Ah, but like the VF-1 the VF-25 has a lot of color schemes that can be produced to milk the mold. Not as many as with the VF-1, but still a fair amount: Alto, Ozma, Michel, Lucca, Cannon Fodder, M-zero stand in, Sheryl scheme (All that VF), Ranka scheme (All that VF), and 25th Anniversary (All that VF). Being much larger of a company, I think the cost of materials would be negligible for Bandai concerning the size of the VF-25. Really? what would those look like, I would love to see those. (were would you get all that VF, by the way) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Gundam gundam gundam gundam gundam... macross? what? GUNDAM. G U N D A M. someone drag that pic back up. eh? please stay on topic. this thread is about the bandai 1/60 DX VF-25, not gundam [/graham] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumdumgai Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Really? what would those look like, I would love to see those. (were would you get all that VF, by the way) Just look up "all that VF" on youtube and you'll find the "version F" that has the 25th Anniversary VF-25 (white with a red and gold streak going from nose to tail), as well as the Sheryl and Ranka schemed VF-25s (purple with an image of the singer taking up the entire top back of the body and some of the wings. If the VF-25 was fixed up or a version 2 came out, I'd love to get a VF-25 Sheryl scheme... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vifam7 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 (edited) Ah, but like the VF-1 the VF-25 has a lot of color schemes that can be produced to milk the mold. Not as many as with the VF-1, but still a fair amount: Alto, Ozma, Michel, Lucca, Cannon Fodder, M-zero stand in, Sheryl scheme (All that VF), Ranka scheme (All that VF), and 25th Anniversary (All that VF). Being much larger of a company, I think the cost of materials would be negligible for Bandai concerning the size of the VF-25. Unlikely Bandai would make DX VF-25s past Lucca. Maybe a cannon fodder if you're lucky. Bandai doesn't seem to exploit a franchise with chogoukins like they do with model kits. Not even Gundam. Edited October 2, 2008 by Vifam7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Just look up "all that VF" on youtube and you'll find the "version F" that has the 25th Anniversary VF-25 (white with a red and gold streak going from nose to tail), as well as the Sheryl and Ranka schemed VF-25s (purple with an image of the singer taking up the entire top back of the body and some of the wings. If the VF-25 was fixed up or a version 2 came out, I'd love to get a VF-25 Sheryl scheme... ohh... that is so cool. they need to make that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumdumgai Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Unlikely Bandai would make DX VF-25s past Lucca. Maybe a cannon fodder if you're lucky. Bandai doesn't seem to exploit a franchise with chogoukins like they do with model kits. Not even Gundam. Even if it's unlikely, the possibility is still open to Bandai, especially if it looks like they'd be able to make money off of it. But yeah, judging from the way Bandai is, it's not likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salamander Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 If you're lucky (for a certain definition of 'lucky') they will end up being super-limited store, toy show, or magazine exclusives. They do those. Count on paying twice the price, though (excluding Yahoo Auction Japan jack-ups and middleman costs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UN Spacy Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Gundam gundam gundam gundam gundam... macross? what? GUNDAM. G U N D A M. someone drag that pic back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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