Radd Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 I can easily see how. Those minor changes make all the difference. It's like the differences between a Bandai 1/55th VF-1A head and a Yamato 1/60 VF-1A head. They're basically the same, sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaHX Posted November 15, 2004 Author Share Posted November 15, 2004 I can easily see how. Those minor changes make all the difference. It's like the differences between a Bandai 1/55th VF-1A head and a Yamato 1/60 VF-1A head. They're basically the same, sure. For me, I feel that hate and favorite are too strong of words. I can go from feeling indifferent about something to liking it a lot. But to hate it? Sure, it has flaws compared to the other version. But essentially, imo, theyre very similar. I guess I have a very distinct definition for the word "hate". Usually when I "hate" something, there isnt a thing I like about it. I dislike it all. So to me, I cant feel like I hate and love very similar things. Its just one of those personal preferences. I hope that makes sense. For minor changes to make all the difference, I tend to find that highly picky. Not saying thats a bad thing. Just saying... its picky. Its just how I intepret it. To me, its minor... small things. Nothing significant. But I can understand how it could be percieved to be a big difference to others... I just find those other individuals to excessively picky. My comment was in no way to offend you Radd or Keith. I personally do not see the "big deal" about it but I didnt feel that Knight needed to criticize me for it. Just venting. No offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grss1982 Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 It's definetely the Sound Force Mechas that get my vote as the ugliest ever, but I would to make special mention to the Sound Force Vf-19 its the ugliest among the three. You're asking Why the Vf-19 right? Well the most obvious reason is that it's head desing deviated a lor from macross plus' yf-19, granted that the yf-19 is a prototype and changes do happen to its design, i still think that basara's vf-19 head desing went overboard. Oh yeah could somebody post shots for emerald force's vf-19 heads from M7 i mean. BTW I heard somebody from in this thread say that the VF-0S head desing is ugly, I beg to differ on that, since if you will notice it llok a lot coller compared to the VF-1 with two lasers, VF-1D or VF-1J i think, its much cooler because of its visor like looking sensors compared to the polygon/ triangular type sensor on the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 Either the VF-1D or the VF-9. The VF-9 looks like the space pope. LOL...VF-9 Space Pope. That's pretty funny. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 Any of the 3 Clown force turds, they're probably the stupidiest and sissiest designs ever... honorable mention to the Fire turd.. that plane was really messed... awfull paintjob, stupid face (all the head by the way) and a sissy pilot... C'mon don't be shy, tell us what you really think . Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 It the YF-21 for me. I can speak for Graham I think. He doesn't like the VF-1D head. Yep, never liked the VF-1D head. Far too blocky looking. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 Like them or not, the Soundforce Valks were deliberately meant to look different to the UN Spacy's military Valks. One of the functions of Soundforce was to boost the morale of the civilian population during time of war. In order for their exploits to be well known, their VFs had to be distinctive and easy to see in battlefield film footage, hence the somewhat outlandish look of the VFs. The Soundforce Valks are civilian machines belonging to a rock group. Of course they are supposed to look different from military machines. I basically like to think of them as a Glam Rock band with Glam Rock Valks. Just remember folks, it was all for publicity and propaganda purposes. I have a theory that a lot of Macross fans who watch M7 have difficulty accepting the Soundforce Valks, as they still basically think of them as military valks. Stop thinking of them this way and a lot of the dislike goes away. At least Kawamri didn't start puttting human faces on all the military VFs (yet) . Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promethuem5 Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 The VF-1A and VF-1D are two of my favorite heads. The VF-1J head is okay, but not that cool looking...depending on how it is drawn. there are some crappy shots with the chin barely perceptible that stink, but when the pose is right and the chin is done good, it looks sweet. The VF-0S head is kinda fugly to me...so bizzarely shaped compared to teh otheres...and teh Sounds force ones are dumb....I hate mecha faces with mouths and faciallness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent ONE Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 The other thread about best looking mech head got me wondering. What do you guys think has the ugliest head in Macross? My vote goes to Basara's VF-19 Kai Custom. I'm not big on the whole "face" features on mechs. I agree. All Sound force mecha is so retarted I could scream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U.N.N.GhostRider303 VF-0 Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 I don't know how any of you feel about Macross II, but Metal Siren and the Zentran Valkyrie are hideous. Seeing those make looking at the VF-17 variants as well as sound force bearable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macplus Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 (edited) I don't know how any of you feel about Macross II, but Metal Siren and the Zentran Valkyrie are hideous. Seeing those make looking at the VF-17 variants as well as sound force bearable. Well, the Metal Siren's head is not bad, looks like a ninja or something, pretty cool, however the VF17s head is not bad at all either, it's better than the heads they used for some of the blue VF19s. I can't remember the Zentran Valk's exact head... the thing was not that bad IMO, but Macross II designs are not very popular around here, they're pleasant for the most part, but that's only my opinion, nothing makes the Clown force turds bearable though... Edited November 15, 2004 by macplus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 ...Macross II designs are not very popular around here, they're innovative and nice, but that's only my opinion, nothing makes the sound force ones bearable though... Actually, my biggest beef with the Macross II designs is that they are bland an uninspired, the complete opposite of innovative. The VF-2SS looks like a Brand X Valkyrie, and it's not alone in that description. Now, it is simply my opinion that they look bland, but that they're highly derivative of the SDF and DYRL? mecha is less debatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U.N.N.GhostRider303 VF-0 Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 Now, it is simply my opinion that they look bland, but that they're highly derivative of the SDF and DYRL? mecha is less debatable. No RADD you're totally right in that aspect. Another prime example is the VF-2J, which is actually 1 of 2 of my favorites from MacII. All it really is, is a VF-1J that sports flat edges. For all you Mecha stat junkies that happen to own an RPG source book, look up the VF-2J. Why can't the bugger fly in battroid mode? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 (edited) I dislike the YF-21's head, but the VF-22's is probably my favorite. Screw functionality when it doesn't look good. Pretty can be functional too. PS: Sound Force Valks are supposed to be used for pyschological warfare, so that excuses the use of humanoid faces on them Edited November 15, 2004 by Raptor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaHX Posted November 15, 2004 Author Share Posted November 15, 2004 Now, it is simply my opinion that they look bland, but that they're highly derivative of the SDF and DYRL? mecha is less debatable. No RADD you're totally right in that aspect. Another prime example is the VF-2J, which is actually 1 of 2 of my favorites from MacII. All it really is, is a VF-1J that sports flat edges. For all you Mecha stat junkies that happen to own an RPG source book, look up the VF-2J. Why can't the bugger fly in battroid mode? Ditto. I agree with that too. IMO, MacII wasnt very original. Although I have nothing against it, there were a couple of things that I wasnt fond of at all. I wasnt very fond of all the valkryies having that "space future" look instead of looking like an semi-realistic plane that has certain "inspirations" from real planes. Next I didnt like how they "improved" on the SDFM mechs. Almost everything was just a modded, spaced up looking version of a SDFM mechs. Destroids, Q-Raus, Valks... everything. I think the only original thing in that series was the Metal Siren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skippy438 Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 I dislike the YF-21's head, but the VF-22's is probably my favorite.Screw functionality when it doesn't look good. Pretty can be functional too. PS: Sound Force Valks are supposed to be used for pyschological warfare, so that excuses the use of humanoid faces on them I totally agree! The 21 looks ugly while the 22 looks cool somehow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinxCrossq Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 I dislike the YF-21's head, but the VF-22's is probably my favorite.Screw functionality when it doesn't look good. Pretty can be functional too. PS: Sound Force Valks are supposed to be used for pyschological warfare, so that excuses the use of humanoid faces on them I totally agree! The 21 looks ugly while the 22 looks cool somehow I wanna see a picture of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaHX Posted November 15, 2004 Author Share Posted November 15, 2004 I wanna see a picture of that. visor vs circle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaHX Posted November 15, 2004 Author Share Posted November 15, 2004 (edited) whoa... mirror image... almost. Edited November 15, 2004 by AlphaHX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinxCrossq Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 WOW! It really makes a big difference!!! Go visor!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewilen Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 Funny, I understand why people like the visor, but the circle is also okay with me. Makes it more Zentradi-y. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaHX Posted November 15, 2004 Author Share Posted November 15, 2004 Funny, I understand why people like the visor, but the circle is also okay with me. Makes it more Zentradi-y. ditto. i could go with either. im a macplus fan tho so im biased. im all for the circle. hahah... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 Meh... VF-19 Kai. The stupid thing looks like someone broke Ultraman and a VF-19 into pieces and played mix-and-match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noyhauser Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 as I said before, I think the circle looks better when you think about the special control and sensor systems that the YF-21 incorporated. I always thought of the visor as just a downgrade from the 21's special systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaHX Posted November 16, 2004 Author Share Posted November 16, 2004 Meh... VF-19 Kai.The stupid thing looks like someone broke Ultraman and a VF-19 into pieces and played mix-and-match. hahaha... what a happy looking family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seto Kaiba Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 (edited) Heh... that just proves my point. "If Ultraman and a YF-19 had children... the result would be..." I still prefer the Macross II Valkyries to the Macross 7 ones. I'll concede that the VF-1MS Metal Siren and VF-1XX Wicked Angel (Zentraedi Valkyrie) aren't the most aesthetically pleasing fighters out there, but they're better than Nekki Basara's "Ultraman Jr." My fave has always been and will always be the VF-2SS Valkyrie II Edited November 16, 2004 by Seto Kaiba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 Not me. The VF-19P, the VF-17, the VA-3 (not pretty, but definitely interesting), the full armoured VF-11 all come from Macross 7, and I love 'em all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 (edited) Not me. The VF-19P, the VF-17, the VA-3 (not pretty, but definitely interesting), the full armoured VF-11 all come from Macross 7, and I love 'em all. The VF-17 for the most part is pretty damn cool. However, the folding gunpod that shoots out of the leg feels too gimmicky for my taste. Other than that, I remember seeing the first picture of it in Newtype when they did a first preview of Macross 7 back in 96 and, and I thought it was going to one awesome title mecha, only to find that role go to the VF-19 Kai, which wasn't even featured in that article. Edited November 16, 2004 by Seven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 I like both versions of the VF-1A head, but the DYRL version looks cooler. Between the VF-22 and the 21, I like the ugly circle-eye-thing way better than that stupid Geordie LaForge visor. My favourite head has got to be the VF-1S...but wait, we're talking about the ugliest head right? Then hands down, Basara's head...I mean his Valk's head is the ugliest thing in the entire Macross franchise. Faces should stay off of Valks. Funny, I can accept transformers with mouths, but not Valks. I realize Graham explained the whole face thing, as did several other members, but why do civilians need Valkries? That's like me buying an F-14 and flying it around for fun, or maybe an M1 Abrams tank with a happy face painted on in and driving it to work. What business do I have in either of those machines? Unless of course I was filthy rich, I could then do pretty much whatever I wanted with my money....Michael Jackson does do freaky things with his money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 You know, there's a whole television series that explains why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kensei Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 You know, there's a whole television series that explains why. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 but why do civilians need Valkries? They needed some place to put their guitars? j/k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaHX Posted November 17, 2004 Author Share Posted November 17, 2004 but why do civilians need Valkries? They needed some place to put their guitars? j/k i wish i had a valk to put my guitar in. hahahha... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 (edited) You know, there's a whole television series that explains why. Exactly. Yeah, I know...I watched it once after I bought the DVD set and sort of remember them saying something about it but I couldn't bear to watch the series a second time so I'll never figure it out. Anyway, back on topic, Basara's Valk has the ugliest mech Head. Maybe we should start a poll to get some figures. Edited November 17, 2004 by peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polidread Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Roy's Skull-1 suddenly had an ugly head when it got bashed down in DYRL.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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