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Whoops I just realised that they weren't aliens in AI but robots (that happen to look like the ones in close encounters). That just got me thinking: Maybe the alien looking skull isn't going to be alien in origin?

But didn't spielberg put aliens at the end of AI? Lucas can't be the only one guilty of it. (and yes I realise that's not the point you were making hurin, just saying that "what if the aliens were only in this one but not responsible for stuff in other movies?"..since some people are turned off by the aliens themselves)

What came first the chicken or the egg? The xenomorph in alien didn't have a queen we could see, just eggs. Does that mean we can assume they just don't exist because they weren't thought up yet for the first movie? That nothing can exist outside the first movie/s? That's the point I'm trying to get at. Some movies can add stuff that enhances, other times it can wreck a movie and make it more lame. If they added a scene in the first alien of a queen it wouldn't bother me too much. Hurin: people were worried that the story would go down the path of an xfiles movie because of the look of the crystal skull which looked alien. So that's where I made the alien comment, for those who were worried that aliens = movie will suck. No guarantee it won't but doesn't mean it automatically has to suck either. To answer your question: no it would be lamer than if they were just macronised PC, but if the PC had a religion and a god that created them I'd be ok with that. Just like any other race within the humans side with its own belief systems that are unique to it. A demonically-possessed race of zentradi actually sounds pretty cool as a side story but not if the whole race were demons and that was the only focus of the macross shows. We already saw what the demons are in macross 7. Exedol enters some ancient ruins of the PC that describes their history, the protodevlin are descrbie as being like the devil. In the form of 'evil' weapons, we can see the intent of the leaders who created them, because they were not happy with what they already had, and later some living things possess the weapons/soldiers, and the weapons turn against their makers. So kawamori did have something similar to what you describe, and in a sense, you could say Basara is a type of messiah who saves the demons from themselves and heals the sick/diseased/possessed zombies/lepers with his music that brings them back to normal using non-violent methods that doesn't taint his message and make him look like a hypocrite, choosing instead to lead by example. In the original tv series the zentradi already are familiar with a "satan" and exedol even refers to himself and the zentradi as "Satan's dolls". They are like a plague going to other planets and wiping out anything that gets in their way and only know how to destroy. Just like a 'demon' bringing about death and destroying the planets the native people rely on to feed off to live. The messiah is the main hero in the valkyrie taking on the responsibility to protect people rather than being a selfish kid, and it's in minmay's song that you can see kaifun (in the kung fu movie) and hikaru (in a valkyrie) as being a hero with a type of cleansing fire (using the battroid as the weapons in place of a sword or the magic finger that fires lightning that you see in the kung fu movie) to kill the mythical (ie Goliath) giants. Macross zero even depicts a pc god: it's the birdman which the older generations warned about in their stories that could bring about the extinction of man if all the rigid rules are broken by the generations that are coming after them who have a responsibility to keep a secret. Obviously Sara is partly to blame for accepting a bribe that led to the scientists discovering some info that helped lead them to the island and then bring about the destruction of her people's land, and we see why this rule was put there and the effect her failure to pass her father's test, has on the rest of the islanders when the anti-un and un fight for more power, to get the weapon for themselves. Just like the PC who created the 'evil' weapon series and weren't happy with the weapons they already had, and who wanted even more powerful stuff. Kawamori has already put god and demons in the macross universe. It's inside the people themselves, and the everyday actions and decisions they chose to make, in the failures and triumphs in their personal lives which can either lead to suffering or happiness to all the others they affect with those decisions. The aliens may not be the literal demon, but taken from a spiritual point of view: they are possessed by the will/need to go and kill things so they could think of themselves that way: as being possessed by evil intent. Demons killing things as away of life. And so they (or just Exedor if you prefer) refer to themselves as "satan's little puppet" carrying out his work for him.

The only thing I didn't like was how prime in classics had a fake grille.

PT rise of the empire/fall of jedi OT fall of the empire/a new hope Both when seen together have a new meaning when compared to only seeing one and that one by itself having its own meaning. But how can you be so sure that Lucas didn't have all the ideas for all the new stuff we see him adding later floating in his head before he made the OT (but just couldn't include at the time because of budget/time limits?) Are you a mind reader? Maybe he just forgot the stuff he meant to add and is just adding it now? Sorta like what happened to Gollum in the second LOTR movie where they changed his appearance once the newer and better things came along to better match what they really intended? R2D2 still looks the same to me in starwars. C3p0 hasn't changed much. Wookies got a bit of an upgrade in muscle. Yoda isn't glued to the ground. Whatever little changes there are just seem like upgrades. Although I admit I like the old "solo shoots first" version of OT than the new one. Still don't see what is so bad about aliens in an adventure movie. If he does re-edit all the old movies I'm not saying I'll like them better though. Just that it can still be possible to have a good adventure movie with aliens in it. Yeah but sometimes adding stuff can enhance it. Like when a sequel comes out "aliens" for example, you might want to make it more scary or convincing by changing the genre a bit to mix it up. So instead of horror you now have a war movie. They did it with macross already: when they made macross plus the focus wasn't the war, but on the lives of two test pilots for competing companies. That doesn't mean it's suddenly destroyed the very thing that makes macross, macross. Just adding something to the universe. Just as the existence of egg-laying queens in aliens adds something that wasn't there in the original alien movie.

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Me too. I like the exosuit you see in bubble gum crisis a lot better for that reason. Anyone got any lineart for that transforming from a bike into the autonomous robot? We sorta already have them coming soon: http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/tech/...obo.soldier.ksl ^just that they need to make them transform into things

Maybe they could make the wheels just a little bit bigger to kinda raise the bike a bit? Would that be a major change? Or just minor like the man hands you can get with GBP 1/48 valks? This and SDF-1 need bigger sizes! The japanese have tiny hands and no space left in japan to fit their collections though. Come on japanese toy makers: make us bigger toys. Just keep the boxes small! Beagle will probably have the best version of the ride armor. But what have they done before?

The ex-gear: do you think this was inspired by the valkyrie girl idea? ^ What happens when in the future the technology gets so miniturised that macross no longer becomes a mecha show but a powered armor show with humans becoming the robot itself? Will you stop watching when in the year 3000 valks become obsolete and teams of EX-gear equiped soldiers have enough firepower inside their suit to destroy 30 alien red bugs with their portable buster cannon?

The bugs poo tentacles. I thought that scene had to be seen more than once. I didn't know wtf was going on there. Sometimes the action goes a bit too fast and you miss details.

But seriously, when you look at the Aoshima legioss with all the bright colours doesn't that make you feel like you are a kid again buying toys or some candy with flashy colours to get your attention? But when you look at the masterpiece alpha, because it's a darker tone, you can see it as a collector's toy for adults because it's not trying to attract you like cartoons do by making everything bright and happy? (like you are back in primary school or kindergarden or something and the room looks like it has been painted up to be fun and happy for little kids )

@hurin: lol basara already did that in macross7. God would have no purpose since Basara already singlehandedly saved the galaxy from protodemons. Sorta like asking the flash to save the world when superman has already finished doing it. Macross 7 was popular in japan too. While macross plus is shat upon as a POS just because its a side story and has annoying fighter jocks who act like apefaces. (even though these apefaces were designed that way to show that they are the only ones willing to fly dangerous untested planes that careful people would never want to touch, so are needed despite their reckless attitude) One thing I've learnt is that you can never be happy trying to convert people to like the things you like, so just let them like what they like. Stargate, and Fifth Element weren't too bad. Is there a rule saying you can't mix a bit of sci-fi with a bit of adventure/mystery? Just like in outlaw star or Vampire Hunter D? Where a bit of occult magic/mysterious ritual/religion is put beside technology/science? If there was an adventure like pirates of the carribean and it was set in space, and involved alien religious artifacts and space pirates all over the galaxy wanted this valuable treasure and bounty hunters all over the galaxy were sent to get it, as well as secret societies and other groups who had plans to gather up all the religious magic items together, I don't think it would automatically suck just because aliens were in it. In fact I kinda liked the idea in the Doom games of mixing dungeouns with secrets hidden inside walls and devious traps that are set in the floors to kill wanderers, combined with "cyberdemons" and space marines. The demons in that are pretty menacing and scary. And I was ok with the idea in Halo that aliens themselves could be religious and misinterpret their own prophecy and almost kill themselves. But despite those being in a different genre, the adventure themes and mystery is still in there. And the involvement with aliens didn't bother me the slightest. It's actually because of star wars and "the force" (which is a religion itself - vader is seen as an old man clinging to ancient superstitions by the others in the empire) that I can accept a bit of religion mixed with aliens and be ok with it. Others, (like the people who didn't like macross zero due to the mysterious ending and lack of explanation for everything) may find it lame, but I could swallow it since the original series already hinted that aliens and us were similar so maybe the thing that created us and them was a more intelligent race. But on the other hand, when the new bond movie came out where they changed bond into a blond guy, that pissed me off a lot, despite being a small change and the movie being good. hehe I'm going to hold off judgment until it is finished.

Wow Galvatron looks good. Being a tank is the right vehicle for the leader of a race of robots that are military themed. Shrinking gun and cannon alt forms are kinda lame when you think about it. I love classics. I wish TFA wasn't using a strange art style and instead had the classics characters in place of the TFA ones.

It's movies guys. Fictional movies. Tomb Raider had the illuminati, so why can't Indy have some aliens? I agree with the comment that ET was scary. I was scared too. It's the buggy eyes that look freaky. Spielberg obviously wanted to calm people's fears about alien appearances in the 70s (being one of the most active periods of ufo sightings) so they tried to make the aliens seem cute. Aliens will always be scary. Unless it's like ALF. I thought ALF was ok as a kid.

http://honowo7.hp.infoseek.co.jp/vf2ss1.html http://www.hlj.com/product/BAN36371 ^ good pics of it, reminding us that some other company should see if they can do it in a bigger toy form if yamato won't.

Great close ups. I wish those shoulder canons could move up or down vertically though..

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Well to be fair transformers has anime starscream and the realistic one. So if they do it you can't say they are the only ones guilty. It would be good if the companies that make these toys announce all the variants that they intend to release, and have release dates for them so that people don't end up buying the wrong one or one that they wouldn't have bought had they known in advance that a different better/more-suitable paintscheme was going to come along. They must assume that the early adopters will just sell the old to get the new, like how you might do this with mobile phone or a computer to upgrade it. I just wish it were bigger/cheaper. Maybe they could release a larger scale toy if enough interest in this is shown? (and later the tv version?) Or maybe they are scared to go any bigger, a bit like how we won't see the 1/60 monster? (just too big for most people)

Yeah but why does it have to be tragic? Could they have both an investigation on the missing ship, but no answer as to what happened to the crew? So that way it is left open while you also get the wreck? Mars base episode for example: we kinda assume that the boyfriend of misa is dead, but we don't see his body. It could just be that he was captured, imprisoned somewhere, and that the anti-un could have treated him well or badly depending on his behaviour and this could become a story where he escapes or is forced to work as a spy for the anti-un, (he can create a fake story about escaping from the anti un or something) similar to ivanov going rogue and giving secrets to the other side which becomes a shocking revelation. Just leaves possibilities open. If anything I am dying to see some old school VF-4 valks. Was that what they had onboard as the workhorse valk? Finally then there would be an opportunity for toys of a vf-4 to be made.

Not that I'd have. Anyone else out there?

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But white in anime can sometimes mean metallic. Why don't people complain that masterpiece megatron isn't a white gun? "white" megatron: vs "metallic" megatron: Yet you laugh when kawamori changes the VF-0 colours? You are all confused: I have a theory: 1.as little kids you liked colourful candy coloured mecha because it was flashy. 2. now that you are grown up and see realistic looking ships and planes and stuff, you are fighting the inner child that lives inside you. The little kid in you is struggling to come out and hope that in the real world military weapons would appear more cartoony and flashy like in anime. But the adult is saying: "STFU, that looks unrealistic" It's this struggling between the "little kid who watched a robot show 20 years ago" vs "serious adult who wants more dull, more practical, and more low vis colour schemes" Personally I'm more into the weathered and realistic colours, and only like flashy colours when the character that piloted the plane was an ace who had a reason to stand out in the show. Normally I don't like to think of the valkyrie as white but more like the cannon fodder scheme that you see from the grey vf-0 toy. Kawamori is sane but he wants you to buy both toys! Sometimes when I look at the Aoshima legioss I am reminded of candy! Because it is bright and appealing. But then I think: maybe that's a bit too bright for a giant robot which is supposed to be a killing machine. Not some cartoon robot but something you could imagine as a real weapon. Each person has their own imagined canon that they want to be the 'real' one while the toy makers take advantage of it and make more profit selling you new paintschemes so nobody can complain they are getting an inaccurate version of the 'real' (even though it's fictional) thing.

I wish yamato did this to Roy VF-1S: make it more dull greyish.

In the weightlessness of space combat there will be no need to lock all batttroid upper torsos to the rest of the mecha. Because it costs too much money. UN spacy is getting complacent. The scene would show the dangers of the yf-19 that yang overlooked due to him cutting too many corners to offer a cheaper price.

Yeah but that's not the point: The question should be "why shouldn't it be locked?" rather than "why does it need to lock?" It doesn't need to but everyone who likes to have a toy that feels like pieces snap together firmly wants it to. Isn't that enough reason? How would you like it if the GBP armor on the 1/48 was loose or the cockpit canopy didn't stay up when you wanted to leave it opened? It would be just annoying to you that it wouldn't do it. Not enough to prevent you from buying but enough to make you want that feature. Anyway that's my explanation. If bandai could get the vf-19 to do it, then is it really that hard to get it for the 19? I'm surprised they didn't lock it. And yes, nobody is going to display it upside down, but neither do most people display their 1/48 wearing FAST packs in fighter mode upside down. Does that mean the backpack shouldn't have to latch on firmly to the rest of the toy because of this? No. Some of us just prefer it if the toy locks firmly that's all. Perhaps they were afraid it might ugly up the appearance of the toy if there were visible things for the upper body to lock to in other modes?