VALKYRIE-EXCHANGE.COM Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 Sorry mods...I really don't know where to put this post... I recently receieved an email allegedly from Paypal indicating that a few security routines were being conducted on my account to confirm my identity. The email requested that I provide my bank account information and my PIN. After looking at the URL, I realized the browser session was not secure so I looked at the URL again. The URL was "www.paypal-billing.net" not www.paypal.com and used all the PayPal logos. I got very suspicious and reported it to PayPal. Here's PayPal's reponse! BEWARE GUYS!!! I almost fell for it. Dear Kevin Lam, Thank you for contacting PayPal. Thank you for bringing this suspicious email to our attention. We can confirm that the email you received; was not sent to you by PayPal. The website linked to this email is not a registered URL authorized or used by PayPal. We are currently investigating this incident fully. Please do not enter any personal or financial information into this website. If you have surrendered any personal or financial information to this fraudulent website, you should immediately log into your PayPal Account and change your password and secret question and answer information. Any compromised financial information should be reported to the appropriate parties. If you notice any unauthorized activity associated with your PayPal transaction history, please immediately report this to PayPal by following the instructions below: 1. Go to https://www.paypal.com/ 2. Click on the Security Center at the bottom of the page 3. Click on "Report a Problem" 4. Select the Topic: Report Fraud 5: Select the Subtopic: Unauthorized use of my PayPal Account, and click Continue. 6. Follow the instructions to access the appropriate form If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us again. Sincerely, PayPal Account Review Department PayPal, an eBay Company Original Message Follows: ------------------------- Form Message customer subject: Valid PayPal site? customer message: The web address (URL) of the site you are reporting: 'http://www.paypal-billing.net/' Message: 'Here is the email send to me PayPal Verification System! Dear PayPal Member We are currently performing regular maintenance of our security measures. Your account has been randomly selected for this maintenance, and you will now be taken through a series of identity verification pages. To complete the verification process as a PayPal Member you must provide us with a debit card issued by you primary bank. Don't worry, your debit card will not be charged! Protecting the security of your PayPal account is our primary concern, and we apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. You must click the link below and enter your infromations on the following page to confirm your identity. > >Click here to complete the verification process > >Thank you for using PayPal! The PayPal Team > > >Please do not reply to this e-mail. Mail sent to this address cannot be answered. For assistance, log in to your PayPal account and choose the "Help" link in the footer of any pa' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoptimus Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 Thanks Kevin. I am sure all of us will keep a look out. I know that alot of us here on MW use Paypal for purchases abroad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandit29 Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 Thanks for the heads up Kevin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent ONE Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 I got that same email and made the same observation... That was months ago though. I would have thought PayPal would have done something about it by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfunk Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 I got that same email and made the same observation... That was months ago though. I would have thought PayPal would have done something about it by now. No doubt, I heard of this a long time ago. Hell, the web police shouldve taken care of it. Thanks though Kev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 My local paper had a story about this PayPay scams just this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batou Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 (edited) This sort of thing is becoming more and more common. AOL has had a lot of trouble with this sort of thing where people were sent fake billing failure notices, and were prompted to enter CC information and such, and lots of folks fell for it because - well, let's face it - AOL's userbase is primarily comprised of Internet newbies (no offense to anyone here). One of these morons recently got caught sending one of these to an FBI agent: http://www.securityfocus.com/news/7329 LOL! Hope they like prison food. There was another recent article (I forget where I saw it) that actually interviewed some college kid that scammed tens of thousands by doing this - sending out fake emails posing as paypal, aol, ebay, etc. I manage a large-ish (25000 user) corporate email system, and I see this kind of trash all the time. You have to be carefuil out there, people. Never believe anything you receive in emails - if ever in doubt, always check the mail headers to be sure it's coming from who it's supposed to be coming from (i.e., if it's coming from a dsl line in China, odds are it isn't legit). Edit in: Glad to hear you weren't taken for a very long ride, Kevin. These kinds of things are notoriously hard to track down. You might want to forward that mail (with mail headers included) to 'uce@ftc.gov'. The FTC investigates and pursues this kind of thing as interstate fraud, and you could just help them keep this scumbag from doing any more harm. Edited November 12, 2003 by Batou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UN Spacy Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 Thanks for the heads up Kevin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Payne Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 (edited) Here's a site that has the lowdown with the AOL/E-Bay/PayPal scams on what's going on, as far as is known: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/scams/paypal.asp Edited November 12, 2003 by Pat Payne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effect Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 Thanks for the warning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 (edited) I wish I was able to find one of these guys, if I was I'd print out a hundred of their bogus email and make 'em shove it up their you know what!!! Effin' bastards!!! Edited November 13, 2003 by >EXO< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bankrupt Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 Thanks for the look out. I like to use Paypal for my Valk. Exchange purchases and eBay. I definitely don't want some scammers getting my info. I can imagine the huge headache it must be to clear this kind of thing up if you get hit by this type of fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wabbit Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 Let's all visit the site and enter bogus information on it! Invite all your friends and forum members elsewhere and generate so much traffic that it will be shut down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDisco Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 along the same lines a very legit looking eBay email going around asking for account names and passwords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the white drew carey Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 Thanks Kevin.I am sure all of us will keep a look out. I know that alot of us here on MW use Paypal for purchases abroad. Yeah, I do use my Paypal account for purchasing broads. Thanks for the heads up, Kevin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Leader Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 Paypal has sent e-mails out warning about this kind of fraud before. Just like one should never give credit card info to someone asking for it over the phone (if you are not making a purchase or reservation), NEVER respond to these kind of e-mails asking for you to input banking and other personal information! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 Thanks for the warning VE. I often use PayPal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-19 Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 I don't use pay pal (yet) but this empasises rule number 1 about fraud. If an "authorized source" requests your pin and bank number (or credit card etc...), something they should already have on file, report the incident, immediately. I've known about these scams for quite a bit of time. They've been mentioned on a fairly regular basis on www.snopes.com, along with the rest of the urban legends. Still, good thing you didn't fall for it, and good thing you're letting us know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolly Rogers Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 along the same lines a very legit looking eBay email going around asking for account names and passwords. There's another one that claims your credit card on file at eBay is expiring and they ask you to "update your credit card info". PayPal is pretty notorious at doing nothing regarding these scams, their attitude has basically been "our customers are sophisticated enough to tell when it's a fraud" instead of sending people warnings whenever a new scam appears. Check out this site for the lowdown: PayPalSucks.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muswp1 Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 I've gotten a couple of bogus e-mails regarding my E-Bay and my PayPal account. You can always tell who the frauds are because PAYPAL AND E-BAY HAVE NEVER ASKED FOR BANK ACCOUNT PIN NUMBERS. Having worked for the fraud unit at my bank for the last three years, I can honestly say that I have never seen a legitimate internet business like E-Bay or Paypal ever need bank account information except for account numbers and sometimes ABA routing numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnollman Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 Gotten a few of those.... if you want to report them, just forward the entire message (do not alter or add to it at all) to these addresses: spoof@ebay.com spoof@paypal.com think those are right... I've sent both a number of spoof emails.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolly Rogers Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 (edited) The evil Back button strikes again. Edited November 13, 2003 by Jolly Rogers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myk Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 This sort of thing is becoming more and more common. AOL has had a lot of trouble with this sort of thing where people were sent fake billing failure notices, and were prompted to enter CC information and such... It's a good thing I don't pay my bills.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legioss Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 Sometimes they'll try to make the URL look like paypal.com by putting an @ between paypal.com and the real URL. So if you only read the first part of it, it looks like PayPal.com. In webmail, you can put the mouse over it and see the address. I don't know about Outlook. Click here to login Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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