Coota0 Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 Anybody know if Roy's last name is in relation to the famous WWII German aircraft, or perhaps in refernce to Anthony Fokker, or maybe he's supposed to be a relative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 Almost guaranteed a reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellohikaru Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 It is Focker not Fokker. If it is inspired by the Fokker aircraft company then how bout Focke-Wulf ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross_Fanboy Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 But in the TV series there does seem to be some refrence to aircraft concerning Roy's name. When Hikaru gets out of his Valkyrie to pick a dandelion he has a flashback about Roy in a biplane. But I think Carl Macek got Roy Fokker from that flashback in the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 But I think Carl Macek got Roy Fokker from that flashback in the original. Or from the fact that they're pretty obviously the same name, minor spelling quiblles aside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross_Fanboy Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 Maybe. I noticed that in DYRL? when Misa is calling Roy to help defend Hikaru and Minmay she pronounced "Focker" much the same way "Fokker" is pronounced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Payne Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 The name is very definetly a reference to Antony Fokker, the Dutch-born aircraft designer who desinged and built some of the most defining German aircraft of WW1: the Fokker E-1 Eindecker (which in 1915 began the "Fokker Scourge"), the Fokker Dr.1 (the Red Baron's mount) and the Fokker D-VII (which was so effective that it was the only piece of military hardware mentioned by name in the Versailles treaty). The D-VII can also be seen a couple of times in Macross: Early on in a flashback, we can see Roy (and, IIRC, Hikaru) flying them and later, Roy gives Hikaru a model kit of the plane as a "get-well" present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightbat Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 It is Focker not Fokker. If it is inspired by the Fokker aircraft company then how bout Focke-Wulf ? Same as "Nimwegen" which should be "Nijmegen" blame the Germans for that but don't worry, us Dutch get even by sending German tourists the wrong way LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 Yup, Fokker=very famous Dutch aircraft manufacturer. Big obvious hint: Hikaru is playing with a FOKKER toy plane, and it breaks when Roy dies. Unless it's a total coincidence written into that episode for no reason. Anyways---Fokker is pronounced "Fock-er". Yes, 99.9% of Americans (including Fokker pilots) pronounce it "Foke-er", but I asked a Dutch guy who was interested in aviation, and he says it's "Fock-er". And I'll trust a Dutch guy who knows planes on how to pronounce a Dutch aviation name. So Fokker is the right spelling, but Focker is the right pronunciation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coota0 Posted November 8, 2003 Author Share Posted November 8, 2003 Roy is definatly an American, maybe his families name was chnged when they left Europe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightbat Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 Too bad Fokker itself went belly up It's planes were highly praised by pilots (too small of a country for something as big as aviation industry) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 Sweden's always done well (SAAB), though it's always been considered surprising how a small country can make world-class planes alone. Even the UK and Germany haven't gone alone for a while. France just keeps modifying the Mirage XKR2M01 2000 Mk 6 ver 9.0 Platinum edition. (The Rafale's a Mirage with canards and we all know it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-ZeroOne Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 Anybody know if Roy's last name is in relation to the famous WWII German aircraft, or perhaps in refernce to Anthony Fokker, or maybe he's supposed to be a relative? Sorry to be picky, but I think you mean "WW I" aircraft. AFAIK, Germany never used Fokker built aircraft during WW II, though the Dutch did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coota0 Posted November 8, 2003 Author Share Posted November 8, 2003 Anybody know if Roy's last name is in relation to the famous WWII German aircraft, or perhaps in refernce to Anthony Fokker, or maybe he's supposed to be a relative? Sorry to be picky, but I think you mean "WW I" aircraft. AFAIK, Germany never used Fokker built aircraft during WW II, though the Dutch did. You're right I was thinking Focke-Wulf, but the Fockker factories did produce German planes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewilen Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 I didn't know that Fokker continued to make combat planes after WWI, but this discussion should at least include mention of their civilian aircraft, from the famous Fokker Trimotor to the modern F50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 I always mainly refer to Fokker's commercial planes. They ALL rock and always have. Combat planes--only their really early ones were good, they fell behind after WWI. Their final aircraft was the F70, a shortened version of the F100 but with just as much power. Here's one of the few that was in service in the US: (I have personally seen this exact one, there was only 2 like this) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellohikaru Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 The F70 was intended as a modern F28 replacement too bad Fockker folded b4 they could be produced in significant numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Payne Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 Anybody know if Roy's last name is in relation to the famous WWII German aircraft, or perhaps in refernce to Anthony Fokker, or maybe he's supposed to be a relative? Sorry to be picky, but I think you mean "WW I" aircraft. AFAIK, Germany never used Fokker built aircraft during WW II, though the Dutch did. They may have used some of Fokker's planes after Holland was overrun in 1940. The Germans, whose own military industry was never able to keep up with demand (the Germans didn't even go to a total war footing until 1943! ) gleefully used captured equipment themselves whenever they could. But that's getting a little off the track of this conversation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mister_e Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 I always assumed that the spelling of Roy's last name was changed to "Fokker" for Robotech because the spelling "Focker" is too close to...well, you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 (edited) Ironically, "Fokker" was actually "correcting" the name to a real-world aviation name. But Focker was, IMHO, an INTENTIONAL miss-spelling from Kawamori, like the dozens of other "almost spelled like" aviation names throughout all of Macross. Either due to a joke, or avoiding copyright infringement. Edited November 9, 2003 by David Hingtgen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLoneWolf Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 I'd say it's definitely an intentional misspelling. It fits in perfectly with Kawamori's love for bad puns. Destroyed = Destroid Maguro (tuna)= Ma-ku-ross (Macross) and most recently... Bulky Lee = Valkyrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Enna Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 You're talking about Roy Fokker from robotech. And About Roy Focker from macross? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 Yes, both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Payne Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 I always assumed that the spelling of Roy's last name was changed to "Fokker" for Robotech because the spelling "Focker" is too close to...well, you know. Nope, although IIRC, they did change the pronouniation from Fokker (short "o," how it's supposed to be pronounced to something like "fohker" (long "o") to keep over sensitive parents from accidentally hearing it as "#*$%er" or "*#$% her." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mister_e Posted November 10, 2003 Share Posted November 10, 2003 I always assumed that the spelling of Roy's last name was changed to "Fokker" for Robotech because the spelling "Focker" is too close to...well, you know. Nope, although IIRC, they did change the pronouniation from Fokker (short "o," how it's supposed to be pronounced to something like "fohker" (long "o") to keep over sensitive parents from accidentally hearing it as "#*$%er" or "*#$% her." They did indeed pronounce it "Foke-er" in Robotech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted November 10, 2003 Share Posted November 10, 2003 That's because that's how about 99.9% of Americans (including me until I found out it was wrong) pronounce Fokker. I need to meet more Fokker pilots etc. and see what pronunciation variations I find.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent ONE Posted November 10, 2003 Share Posted November 10, 2003 You don't need a slide rule to figure this out... Watch SDF-Macross, DYRL, or MZero. It is FOCKER pronounced exactly like it is spelled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Payne Posted November 10, 2003 Share Posted November 10, 2003 (edited) Watch "Meet the Parents" with Robert De Niro and Ben Stiller -- that's how "Focker" is supposed to be pronounced. Edited November 10, 2003 by Pat Payne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom64ss Posted November 10, 2003 Share Posted November 10, 2003 Watch "Meet the Parents" with Robert De Niro and Ben Stiller -- that's how "Focker" is supposed to be pronounced. It's funny 'cause it's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mildred Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 That's because that's how about 99.9% of Americans (including me until I found out it was wrong) pronounce Fokker. I need to meet more Fokker pilots etc. and see what pronunciation variations I find.... i never knew that "fokker" was pronounced with a long o ("foh-ker) by anybody. if it was spelled "foker", a long o sound would be applicable, i guess. i've always thought "focker " was an error-- i've always thought that it was roy fokker (pronounced as "fock-er"). i should pay more attention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaine23 Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Watch "Meet the Parents" with Robert De Niro and Ben Stiller -- that's how "Focker" is supposed to be pronounced. It's funny 'cause it's true. Jack Byrnes: His parents gotta be decent people if they named their son Gaylord Focker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guvava Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 The Martha Focker line in the movie was pretty funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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