JValk Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 The Hornet just as it breaks the sound barrier - so Macross Plus wasn't lying in its animation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Uhh...JValk? 1999 called, and it wants its topic back. It's a cool picture, but hardly new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingNor Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 plus.. you can't "see" the sound barrier being broken. that white stuff is from the moisture in the air being roughed up i beleive. i've seen that stuff on f14's at less than super sonic speeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladic Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 this pic is really really really old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JValk Posted August 23, 2004 Author Share Posted August 23, 2004 What can I say, 1999 was a vintage year for sound barrier breakage perhaps? Anyhow, when the VF-19 is shown to break the sound barrier, leaving nice little evap rings behind it - I wonder if that's accurate at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californium Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 (edited) I don't understand these people. Why even get a sound barrier anymore? You just know some nut in a Hornet will break it again. Sigh. It's no wonder insurance costs so much now. Edit: Sorry. I hadn't bothered to look at the pic. I get it now. That guy isn't a nut. He's just trying to escape that giant alien cotton wad. Still, if that kind of thing happens with any regularity, its all the more reason not to get a new sound barrier. Edited August 23, 2004 by Californium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Samurai Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Somewhere I have a set of photos of Tomcats with the same 'cottonball' or ring behind them...even a video of the effect at low altitude (as pointed out by someone else, probably sub-sonic). If I can track down the original sources, I'll link them. For some reason, it just looks cooler with an F-14...then again, an F-14 gathering dust on some beatup strip is cooler looking than almost any Hornet image, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 F-4's do it better. And this is the original Vandy-1 no less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 F-14's do it better too: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 And if you ever wanted to know exactly where the center of pressure is when an F-14's wings are swept, the atmosphere has clearly marked it for you: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaramu Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Ooh, those are cool pics! Grew up in Austin, Texas where we had Bergstrom AFB.....got to see and hear F-4's fly over my neighborhood all the time. I miss those planes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skull Leader Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 (edited) yeah, the F/A-18 is about the LEAST interesting aircraft to perform this... ahh well, let's hear it for great photography of a really bad plane... Also, who said anything about Macross Plus lying in it's animation? Edited August 23, 2004 by Skull Leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-ZeroOne Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 F-4's do it better. And this is the original Vandy-1 no less. Good grief - are people still allowed to break the sound barrier that low these days?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the white drew carey Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Hey, I posted that picture a way long time ago (I even made up a lame "story" about the navy testing fold engines), but it got locked right quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beltane70 Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Can someone please enlighten me as to why the F/A-18 is considered a "bad" aircraft? Is it just because it's replacing the F-14 as the Navy's main carrier aircraft or is there some real problems with the aircraft that I just haven't seen? Don't get me wrong, the F-14 is still my favorite jet of all-time, but I haven't seen any reason to hate the Hornet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 (edited) Mainly because it's usually inferior in most aspects to the planes it replaces. That usually stems from: 1. Its insanely high drag. No plane can out-decelerate the Hornet! (except Harriers) 2. The high drag causes high fuel burn, combined with its low fuel load, means it can't fly very far, nor carry very much. And the big fuel tanks cause so much drag, they practically cancel out the fuel gain. (There are situations where its actually better to carry LESS fuel in drop tanks, due to the drag saved by not carrying them). 3. Jack of all trades, not all that great at any. The F-15 is NOT a multi-role plane, and that's why the C is a great fighter, and the E is a great bomber--they don't make the same plane do both, they have one variant do one thing, and another variant do another. Specialization is a GOOD thing for planes. F-18's are forced to do every role with the exact same airframe. Even F-16's are optimized for a particular rle, though its not as well known. (Block 30's are fighters, 40's are bombers, 50's are SEAD with a secondary fighting ability) 4. The YF-17 was a neat little plane, often described as a hot-rod. Until MDC thwacked it with the ugly-stick until they had beaten it into its present drag-whore shape of today, the F/A-18. (Ironically, many of the "improvements" done to the Super Hornet were merely making it look more like the original YF-17 and F-18L, what the plane was originally intended to be) Edited August 24, 2004 by David Hingtgen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the white drew carey Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 (edited) FAVORITISM BY THE MODS!!!! I've found it: TWDC's F-18 sound barrier thread. My thread didn't even last 4 replies (or 3 hours), and this was in the middle of the night. Edited August 24, 2004 by the white drew carey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingNor Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 FAVORITISM BY THE MODS!!!! you HAD to make us come out and say it. we don't like you. hehe jk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanata67 Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 FAVORITISM BY THE MODS!!!! you HAD to make us come out and say it. we don't like you. hehe jk. even my inane topics last longer than that... nya nya nya ps mods... next bribe is on the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentrandude Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 FAVORITISM BY THE MODS!!!! you HAD to make us come out and say it. we don't like you. hehe jk. even my inane topics last longer than that... nya nya nya ps mods... next bribe is on the way ouch you know it hurts when kanata says it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robokochan Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 FAVORITISM BY THE MODS!!!! you HAD to make us come out and say it. we don't like you. hehe jk. even my inane topics last longer than that... nya nya nya ps mods... next bribe is on the way ouch you know it hurts when kanata says it. You said it...and how! (insert Alfalpha emoticon here) But WDC...I really liked your thread on the Fold System, maybe they locked it because it was still too top secret? ROb MN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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