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Revised the category descriptors. In short, the three sections are intended to be simple. Items with (tentative) may be moved if new information regarding status (or lack thereof) becomes available. I'm referring to the opening animation produced for 3DVFX. Nevertheless, moving it to EU. I like your description for the games. It answers the question about the placement of the PS2 Macross game. Re: art books This is where it gets tricky, as there have been a couple of cases where information (usually names, sometimes capabilities) are mentioned in the art books, and are later confirmed in other official setting materials. Nevertheless, moving them all to EU. Re: Hobby Handbook Again, a tricky one. Putting it in EU - because it was penned by the official creators AND a lot of it has been superseded by later productions (ie the ETs), therefore precluding the more dubious material. Which shows? Any assistance on creating this "master list" would be greatly appreciated.

What is Macross? It's whatever you perceive it to be, limited by what aspects of it that you've been exposed to. So, if you think Macross has a VF-X that can transform into a funky headed battroid 'cuz the Yamato toy can, or that the Studio Nue timeline ends up in the MII one, that's entirely up to you. However, for the sake of communicating with others who have different perceptions, I'm making this definition to help communicate ideas and make the conversation flow more easily. Feel free to use it, too. Media listed from newest to oldest: Official Setting (irrefutable Macross) The animations & liner notes: MF (& movies), M0, M7 (& movies/OVAs), M+ (& movie), MII, FB2012, SDFM (& movies) articles in: Animage magazine, B-Club Magazine, Great Mechanics, Monthly Bandai Making Journal, Newtype audio drama (superseded by animation if different): Macross Generation, Nyan Dra games & related publications: MDM VF-X, VF-X2, Macross Plus - Game Edition, Macross M3, SDFM 2036, SDFM: Eternal Love Song. manga: Macross II: Lovers Again, Macross 7 Trash, Macross Dynamite 7: Mylene Beat novels (superseded by animation if different): Macross II publications: Entertainment Bible, Macross Chronicle, Movic Books, The "Gold" Book, This is Animation (Special, the Select) serializations: Macross the Ride (tentative) Expanded Universe (plausible Macross, material doesn't explicitly contradict the Official Setting) animations: DYRL (in any use other than as part of MII or as a movie within a movie), Macross XX articles in: audio drama: games & related publications: Macross Ace/Triangle/Ultimate Frontier, SDFM, SDFM-DYRL, SDFM Macross VOXP manga: Macross the First publications: Design Works, Macross Hobby Handbook, Tenjin Hidetaka Valkyries (1 & 2), Variable Fighter Master File serializations: Other (implausible Macross, material contradicts the Official Setting) animations & liner notes: All that VF (M0 & M25 ver.), Macross 3DVFX articles in: Character Model Magazine audio drama: games & related publications: manga: Macross II: the Micron Conspiracy Publications: Dojinshi (fanfics), Macross: The RPG, Macross II: the RPG, various model/hobby publications featuring kit-bashes serializations: Question to you, MW members - what materials need to be added and what category should they fall under? (in short, I'm thinking if there's any doubt on other members that it's not part of the Official Setting, it should be part of the Expanded Universe) I'm sure I'm missing a lot of content from this short list (novels and manga readily come to mind), so please post any that you'd like to have added, and which category you feel it falls under.

ahh... but "fans" was the subject, and "us foreign" were descriptors. Anyhow, my proscriptive grammarian teaching English to Japanese friend, if the point is basically understood, sometimes it's best to move on and focus on what's really messing up the comprehension in the classroom. In this case, me thinks it be what Renato said many moons ago - that the editorial staff are a bunch of amateurs.

? us = we, no? Sure, one could argue about the objective vs the subjective cases of those pronouns, but at a certain point that's just splitting hairs.

Macross Ace Vol.008 Release date: 2011.03.26 Source: http://210.155.150.151/soft.phtml?id=703436 Apparently us foreign fans aren't the only people confused - there are a couple of Japanese sites with people asking when it's released.

Alas, the lineart didn't scan that well...

The mag has quite a bit of juicy stuff: - YF-29 Durandal buildup. - YF-29 Durandal in alternative stickers - Announcement of a 1/100 VF-29 to go with the YF-29 AND a 1/72 VF-25G Tornado Pack. - Interview with Tenjin Hidetaka (!!!) About the YF-29. - Macross the Forefront Column (DX Chougoukin VF-25G Tornado & YF-29, High-Metal VF-1 super parts, 1/60 VF-19Kai, & more) - Macross The Ride with GERWALK picks! (VF-1++ AND VF-9 (?!?!?) for the win!) - and the start of a new Macross the Ride tie-in column: "Vanquish Race Valkyrie Catalog 2058". This month features the VF-19A Brauhitsu sp.; piloted by Oscar Brauhitsch. There's also a couple of pages in the figurine section dedicated to Macross (Ranka and Sheryl, SD Ranka and Sheryl, etc.).

Not sure if these have been mentioned herein or elsewhere (or not): Dengeki Hobby 2011.04 with Macross the Ride #4 is out. This month's "Figure Ou" has a large article on Macross. About half the focus is on the YF-29 kit. But there's a bunch of other goodies. Probably the best part of the YF-29 article is a it's 1\4 (thereabouts) lineart of the YF-29 in fighter mode. http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/484652860X/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=466449256&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=484652745X&pf_rd_m=AN1VRQENFRJN5&pf_rd_r=1NBDBP2Q7PSQ314TYEY2

LOL Maybe we should recommend that they have snipers on the wings ready to shoot down any otaku who ask totally unrelated questions with boiling water? A la "秘密嵐".

Maross The Origin = Macross the First?

That's for shame. I remember picking up a Popular Mechanics issue around 2000 that had a stretch bomber version of the F-22. Not sure if it was a two-seater or not (might have been, as two-seats brings it to mind). Anyhow, wish that the C in the VT-1C stood for something cooler than "Customer" (like civilian...) Late post is ignored.

Drat! I new I should've wondered over to the bookstore next to work today!

Well, we'll always have differing opinions. Me - cool and part of an expanded universe Talos - cool but not part of the official settings. Nevertheless, back to the book! If memory serves, they stopped being used as trainers because simulator technology improved and the switch to single-seat training flights. The "second brake pedal" analogy is great.

As I said: I think it's best to consider the books in this series to be consistent with each other, the Macross Frontier revisions to canonicity, and approach designs with "they're all in Macross, somehow, somewhere"; which is consistent with Macross Frontier and Macross Plus Game Edition have done). And though it may not have the same licensing/internal continuity setup as Star Wars, it still makes sense to treat them as a lower level of canon, in as much as that they are written to appear as in-universe documents, under the supervision of the official setting's creator.

Don't worry. When I was writing that post I was thinking "man, this is exactly what's happened with Macross Frontier".

Not yet. Other than fighter mode, there has been, if memory serves, only one instance of a head being shown (the SV-52).

... in order to reach the broadest market demographic, a bunch of the elements that we love about Macross will be dumped or dumbed-down in the process?

I think it's best to consider the books in this series to be consistent with each other, the Macross Frontier revisions to canonicity, and approach designs with "they're all in Macross, somehow, somewhere"; which is consistent with Macross Frontier and Macross Plus Game Edition have done). Going back to the VE-1: I find it interesting that it enjoys an active role long after the VF-1 has been retired from the front lines, yet later in the same book, is mentioned to have "data transmission problems" with the newer fighters. This stuff is really making me hope that the topic of the next book after the VF-25, will be the VF-11.

I don't want to start any debates on it, but... why would they not be canon? The books are supervised by Kawamori-san himself. At the very least, they would be part of an "expanded universe", in the truest sense of that concept's use in describing Star Wars canonicity.

Translated the sections on the VT-1 and VE-1. Interesting stuff.

Sounds about right for an article featuring VF-X2. As the game was released 1999.09.02, the magazine's the picture's from probably is the August issue.

Sorry, no picts at the mo', and going by memory: - the bookstore closest to my workplace had the recently released PSP game on full display a couple of weeks ago. - last weekend in the nearest Yamada Denki I found a sizable number of Bandai VF-25/27 kits (Super Packs, Tornado Packs, just packs) and hi-metal toys, along with the majority of MF TV series DVDs. There were probably a bunch of other "hey, there's Sheryl/Ranka/a VF-25) moments, too, but I think I've kinda grown numb to seeing them as I've seen so much of them. [Hmmm... me thinks that sentence says a lot about the visible presence of Macross.]

Why not do what they did with "Macross Plus - Game Edition"? Both a story-line mode and a versus mode. You could release the versus mode in bits and pieces as the models and terrain is completed, with a "storyline coming soon". Then, when there is enough of what you figure is needed for a storyline, develop that. One benefit to that approach is that it should generate interest in parties with the skills needed to help. Of course, just going with the versus mode, there may be a way to work a storyline in. In short, what "Macross the Ride" is doing; and if I remember correctly, someone mentioned using elements from the Robotech universe - so tacking on a "Marvel vs Capcom" aspect.

Ah... but this is where the shopping experience in Japan and overseas converges. Nowadays, many bookstores are shrink-wrapping manga-magazines and tankōbon to prevent tachiyomi. Sure, some of the big stores don't; but for many of us, the train ride to the nearest Kinokuniya or Junkudo to get a free look costs more than buying it at the local bookstore. Hopefully this post won't run afoul with Exo, as it's not about rights and legalities.

Haven't you read any of the reviews? Does the uploader have the permission of the copyright holder or licensee?