pengbuzz

Understood; PM sent to you. Don't worry Thom; one way or another, you'll have an E-D for your project!

Thinking about that: it's a considerable tragedy. Both sides were Starfleet, and a lot of good people died and good ships were lost.

Yeah...let me know if you find them.

UPDATE: required medical attention for my hands. Typing a bit slow qt this point due to the cortisone shots (needles HURT), but overall reduction in pain and stiffness from the arthrtis. A little good news though: https://www.etsy.com/listing/1395610846/amtertl-11400-scale-standard-uss now i just need to find the money (and rest my hadns a bit)/ stay tunaed...

PM received and replied to bro.

I have several versions of the Macross Models that you folks carry on sale built and painted; I'll see what I have for pics in my inventory.

I appreciate the ideas and advice folks, but here are the issues I'm facing: 1) "Drawing on" the aztecs is not going to be possible: even doing this at a larger scale, the pencils won't lay down right on the paint. Not to mention the myriad changing shapes plays utter havoc with my focus and perception. 2) A template or "shield": I tried this and the various panels change so frequently that I would have to make custom ones for nearly every panel of the ship! They go inverse on the opposite side, so that means I could not use it for the other side. Not to mention my hands and wrists throbbing painfully after 5 minutes. 3) Paint: tried this and I cannot control the paint enough for it to look decent. It becomes a royal mess and I'd sooner just give the model away to Goodwill than do a half-effort job on it. 4) Leave it blank/ "pre-shade": I tried both of those on one nacelle and it looked so weird, I stripped it back down to bare plastic. 5) Decals: no longer being made, and the few I saw for sale cost more than 4 models at the price I bought this one!!! O.o 6) Print my own: Decal paper - 3 sheets @ 9-10 dollars, local hobby shop (same price pretty much online once you add in shipping), and I would need at least 4 sheets (11 x 8.5) Printer cartridges - Black, Magenta, Yellow and Cyan Carts f/ Canon MG2500 series: $30.00 for both if I use Amazon (which my wife will not use due to an issue where she got rooked by them and swore them off). Otherwise, more expensive elsewhere. And I don't have the money for them to begin with; my last ten bucks for hobbies went to this model. 7) Hand painting: my hands cannot tolerate that. I can barely type now, my fingers and wrists are so swollen from my last attempt. So my final option is the following: 8 ) The model is set aside indefinitely, with the option of donating it to Goodwill or simply throwing it out and listing the project as cancelled, as I cannot justify it taking up room that's not on a shelf (which is at a premium as it stands).

No ink for the printer (hasn't been for nearly a year now); and I went to Carlos' aztec templates on SSM (firs thign I thought of). But they are in all different resolutions (400 dpi, 300 dpi, etc), and they don't match up with one another let alone the ship. I was actually trying to get them all to fit on 4-5 sheets of decal paper (and nearly succeded), but when I realized they were badly mismatched and off, I gave up. . Even worse: I couldn't find anyone who had the aztecs for the 1/1400 E-D that didn't go multiple times what I spent on the model. Thanks anyway Thom, but if i can't get the stuff I need to build my projects without continually running into shortfalls or needing help (which is a pain for everyone!), then I need to accept the fact I'm done. That and my hands are acting up.... just sick of it. Anyways, let me get off the boards now and let the real modelers (like you) post.

Just done with Trek. No point left. *ejects permanently from topic* -Pengbuzz out, forever.

With my hands the way they are now, neither is an option. Not to mention all the aztec lines are now gone. I may either donate this or just toss it. My patience, focus and dexterity are deteriorating steadily and I may simply either cut back or eliminate modeling entirely. So tired of fighting... Anyways, let me go take down my pics here...no one needs my sorry -ass attempts at bad comedy in the world of styrene.

They have replicators and blueprints. *munches replicated cheeseburger*

Let's face it: Shaw got screwed.

On that note:

It's also bad luck to rename a ship. One point they left though: Kirk's body is still in storage. So with that: I'm departing this topic permanently. As far as I'm concerned, TNG ended with All Good Things.

Understood; my brother used to destroy my models all the time (he's no longer in my life now after a 10 year jail sentence for something else). I ended up having to constantly try to repair/ rebuild my stuff...which is how I ended up with the skills I have now.

This looks interesting...

One thing I would like to point out IRL is that robotics are heavily used in modern shipbuilding: https://www.ship-technology.com/features/feature-the-digital-shipyard-robotics-shipbuilding/ So, even if not using androids or semi-sentient drones, much actual shipbuilding can be done by computer-automated robots. This would explain how Starfleet was able to recover as they did from the Battle of Wolf 359, though it takes time to crew any new ship especially when you lose a lot of experienced crew and commanders. All of that said though: it would still be one major heck of a note for Geordi to clandestinely rebuild the E-D: 1) Saucer/ Primary Hull: Even though they probably had the integrity and inertial damping fields "turned up to 11" when they crashed on Veridian III, the fact that the entire bridge center-section slid forward shows it must have failed near the last part of the "slideout". The TNG Tech Manual states that the damage would be expected to make the ship "irrecoverable" for any return to duty, so Geordi would have had to do a lot of replacement of hull trusses and panels (the hull itself is multilayered with the external ablative layer, actual hull, crystal attenuation layer, and internal environmental layer), as well as shorted out/ crushed/ shattered corridor piping/ wiring/ EPS taps, etc. 2) Stardrive/ Secondary Hull: With the engines and nacelles coming from the USS Syracuse (I assume they meant "secondary hull and nacelles"), 30+ years of service would still take their toll. The TNG Tech Manual states that the spaceframe is rated for a duty life of "100 years"; that is presuming that constant upgrades and maintenance are performed. With this in mind, the fact that these components were available about 1/3 of the way into the ship's expected service life means that something catastrophic happened to render the Syracuse inoperable and no longer viable for refit to return it to service. This would be more work for Geordi, as it would most likely include damage similar to the E-D's Saucer Section, as well as possible massive hull breaches and spaceframe member issues. The Warp Core alone would be of extensive concern, as any weakness or fault in it could spiral dangerously out of control in moments. Antimatter containment would be a tremendous issue, especially if the Stardrive Section were relegated for scrap rather than simply given a new saucer; that fact would state that the damage to the section disqualified it from any further service. That kind of damage would almost certainly influence multiple systems, including Antimatter storage. 3) Ship's Computers: There's also the issue of the computer cores in both the Saucer and the Stardrive: Saucer: with the damage from the crash-landing on Veridian III, the computer cores would have had at least some damage to them, to be certain. The FTL Nanoprocessors would each need to be checked and replaced (most economical would be total replacement with non-crash cores) before being trusted with any use. Stardrive: similar issues would be at play here, considering the damage that would take a Galaxy-class stardrive out of commission permanently would have at least some effect on the Engineering Computer core. Since this core directly controls all the aspects of starflight for the Secondary Hull and warp ops for the entire ship combined, its' function would be even more critical and thus be of primary concern. Combined ship: Being that two of the three cores would be from one ship (E-D) and the other from another ship (Syracuse), at least one of the computer cores would have to undergo some reprogramming in order to work with the other cores. Additionally, the cores would then have to run together for some time so the ship's combined computer system would learn to function as a whole ("burn-in time"). 4) Other Shipboard Systems: Considering the damage to both hulls (as well as the fact that even after 20 years, Geordi states that "the hull still needs work"), it's certain that much of the ship may not be in habitable condition, particularly in external areas near the outside of the ship. Add to that damage to the shield waveguides in the hull, damage to sections of the phaser array strips and/or photorp launch systems, as well as overall life support systems to boot. Overall: even with Geordi's expertise and his daughters assisting him, it would still be a massive undertaking to attempt anything like this. Without either a staff of people who were willing to keep LaForge's project in the strictest of confidence or a series of highly automated assembly robots and drones, a twenty year stretch would probably not be long enough to make much more progress than to get some of the systems nominally operational. EXTRA: I have a prediction to make for the last episode-

On that note gentlemen: something I'd like to point out and ask both of you (and please forgive my naivete on this): The Enterprise-D is capable of being operated by one person only, if necessary (as established in the show); this would mean that nearly all of the ship's systems would have to be automated. Additionally, the ship presumably has a prefix code that would be most likely still be in the Starfleet Archives (having been in Starfleet's care should the ship fall into a situation like Reliant did in STII:WoK. Since the Fleet Formation System™ seems to tap into the ship's computer to remotely control the vessel using the ship's own command and control system... ...what's to stop the Borg from simply hacking the E-D's computer, bypassing its' safeguards and taking it over anyways?

That's what I've been trying to tell them over at RPF, but folks won't listen (they make up all sorts of excuses!) Still, all things considered, it is a pretty good job overall. I'll grant you that; Geordi going to Enterprise crewmen Anonymous

Now we need one of Misa Hayase.

On that (and this is just from my own perspective😞 1) Having dealt with trauma (CPTSD), it can last for a lifetime; I still deal with stuff from 40 years ago that caused me tremendous harm emotionally. 2) While we haven't "seen" dialogue to that effect yet, I have seen in counseling groups where someone can seem "well adjusted", but be hiding some pretty deep scars down in their heart and soul. It's not that they cannot function, but there is stuff that is there which doesn't "go away" and is a daily challenge for them. Not trying to be picky and argumentative here; on the bright side, them bringing back the E-D gave me an excuse over the weekend to snap up 1 1/4000 AMT E-D at a flea market for 10 bucks (I'll post it in the Workbench thread in just a bit. ) !

They probably also had sections of the ship painted with primer, and one door painted a completely different color (got it from a junkyard or something).

Now to you Seto: I also consider you a good friend and respect your opinion on this matter. I may disagree here and there, but I see where you're coming from on this too- Sounds like they're trying (futiley) to undo a couple of decades of villain decay. Maybe the previous writers should have let the Borg win and actually assimilate part of the Federation, Klingon and Romulan Empires, forcing the other 3 to have to work together to defeat them. To the other point: Assimilation is downright scary when you think how fast they can do it. Not sure how well salvaged/ surplus parts would hold up (like anything, depends upon use and condition), but I wonder if Geordi has made any changes since rebuilding the ship? Like I said to Thom: Geordi said there were still issues with the hull and stuff. All good points, though I wonder (as aforementioned) just how much Geordi had to be away if he was using automation? As for the rest: much of it seems like the TNG characters forgot who they were and had a near-inversion of their personalities. That's the one thing that gets me the most about the series: it is devoid of the joy that TNG had. How would the series be different if they had that level from TNG in it? I would have to wonder since Geordi said "drones are loading photon torpedoes as we speak" if he utilized a number of automated drones in his rebuild of the E-D? I can almost certainly guarantee it's not the original bridge; in Generations, the entire center section of the bridge broke free of the deck and slid forward right into the main viewer (see 2:08 in following video): Agreed; I imagine by the end of this, everyone's eyes will be bad because of all the dim light reading. O.o