Mr March

Perhaps, but no way of knowing. Regardless, your original theory doesn't work with light speed sensors. It would take a light speed propagation 10 years just to reach a target 10 light years away. The return would take another 10 years to get back to the radar array that sent out the propagation, so you're looking at 20 years altogether. So yes, FTL Zentradi sensors is a must.

mikeszekely That's assumption at best. We have no way of knowing how diverse/localized the Stellar Republic was (which would exist only in the smallest fragments of it's former self). Like I said, it's just not likely the UNG bump into anyone basing it on a numbers scenario, even traveling all the way across, or to the center of, the galaxy. I think we really need to put some numbers to this, because I don't think people realize the incredible size of the Milky Way Galaxy. That and science fiction in general has done a really good job of making galaxies feel really, really small by abusing even the greater capabilities of their own fictional technology. Let's use some canon figures and stretch it out to some amazing, best-possible-circumstances scenario for contact. The Bodol Zer Fleet is 4,795,122 ships. The book Macross Perfect Memory states there are some 1,000 to 2,000 some ships of this class commanding fleets in the Zentradi Army and the film DYRL? confirms this figure as well. We're going to assume each Zentradi fleet is identical in size. So, at most, that gives us 9,590,244,000 Zentradi ships in the Milky Way Galaxy. For the sake of argument, we're going to assume the Supervision Army has just as many. So that gives us basically 19 billion space ships between the two Armies. Now, let's throw out a really impossible scenario and say that both the Zentradi Army and the Supervision Army suddenly decide - at the perfect moment in their 400,000 year old war - that starting in the year 2012 they are both going to place one of their ships around one star in the galaxy until they exhaust their fleets AND they have decided to maintain these positions for the next 40 years... I know, I know, this is beyond outrageous. Just bear with me here... Now, in a galaxy of 400 billion stars, the combined forces of the ZA and the SA can only fill 19 billion of those systems in the impossible scenario described above. That means that a single ship exploring the galaxy - within the impossible scenario - would have a mere 0.0475 % chance of encountering a ZA or SA ship. Yes, that's half of a half a percent chance under impossible circumstances. Well, that about does it Digressing, if we go back into reason, put the fleets back together, factor in factory satellites, surviving protoculture ruins and whatever else might serve as a point of contact, it will never come close to approaching the odds of the impossible scenario.

Oh, I'd be scared speaking about sensor systems in Macross as light-speed limited. SDFM makes use of effectively super luminal sensor systems in the first episode and Macross 7 specifically mentions super dimensional radar. There are also numerous examples of ships defolding far outside of instantaneous detection range (which would be half a light second/150,000 kilometers) that are detected the moment they appear, often behind massive stellar bodies. The Zentradi Adoclass fleet was detected folding space from behind a moon far outside combat ranges instantenously as was the City 7 detected by the Battle 7, on the far side of a star no less!

The AFOS is by definition retconn, though its existence is certainly plausible and perfectly acceptable in Macross, IMO. Ah, but I never said the UNG would not run into the SA or ZA. Only that it's unlikely they'll do so until they grow much larger and have far more ships. This is excluding the need for the UNG to encounter the SA and remaining ZA that would be written into in any potential story, of course Yes, the Stellar Republic is huge, but it's long gone. If the SA and ZA were really so pervasive within the Galaxy, they would have found humanity long before the ASS-1 crash. Correspondingly, a mere 40 years of space exploration is not likely enough time for the UNG to encounter the SA and ZA in such a large galaxy as ours, especially with the UNG's (comparitively) limited resources.

Indeed the Germans do make quality machines, no surprise there. Personally, I love The Armor Site. It's been my go-to website for anything tank related for years. Lots of information and tons of pictures.

Fantastic news! I knew this was gonna be a great sculpt.

Hahaha! Good times. We'll probably never forget that whole "macross-has-knees!" debacle. Hey, new name for it, just like Sharon Apple Incident: The Macross Knee Incident!

Welcome to MacrossWorld MaveRick. Nice little pictures.

I'm really hoping it works well for our service men and women. I think it will, especially the 2A6M which sounds like it's been modified specifically to deal with the theatre in Afghanistan. I really like the look of the Leopard 2A6. It almost looks like it incoporates a stealth structure the way the turret is designed (but obviously it doesn't). It looks really cool and futuristic.

Ishimaru The ship you're refering to isn't probably a Supervision Army ship, it IS a Supervision Army Ship. In fact, it's the exact same class as the ASS-1/SDF-1 Macross that crashed on Earth (a Gun Destroyer). It appears in Episode 30 of SDFM; see details and a picture via the link to my website below: Supervision Army Derelict Where does it say on the Macross Compendium that they went back to search for the ship? I don't remember that, but I'd like to read about it. mikeszekely Yes, the Supervision Army is still out there, as is the Zentradi Army. But Humanity existed for thousands of years without anyone bothering them except the AFOS (TV continuity) or a Protoculture ship that stopped on Earth (DYRL continuity). Granted, it may make for interesting stories should the UNG finally encounter the Supervision Army or more Zentradi Army forces, but there's lots of other interesting stories to tell as well. After 25 years of the franchise, I find it extremely unlikely the UNG ever encountered the Supervision Army. The only way we'll see some kind of retconn like that is if a video game features them or the new Macross series does retconn (which is certainly possible). Other than that, we have to stick what is known, not what might be. As for the Meltrandi and all the implications of DYRL? impacting the franchise, that's just one big mess. The debates about what is real Macross and what is DYRL Macross have lead to legendary discussions on this website which always ultimately conclude there is no rhyme nor reason to the ultimate "correct" continuity. Basically, if the mecha/character designs are more interesting/reimagined, Kawamori and Co. have adopted them as part of the main Macross universe. We, as the audience, are just meant to imagine these mecha/character designs were part of Macross all along. This is why the SDF Macross (Film Version) appears in Macross Plus, why Exedol appears green in Macross 7, why the Chlore Fleet is using Meltrandi ships in Macross 7 Encore, et cetera. You just go with it, even if the whole Zentradi/Meltrandi thing contradicts the entire SDFM series. Just assume it fits in somehow and leave it at that, because it's clear that's all the thought that Kawamori and Co. have put into it.

Well, the Supervision Army was always mostly made up of protoculture people and Zentradi controlled by the Protodeviln. We've also seen from Macross 7 that the Protodeviln themselves aren't all that numerous and it appears most of their minions are not directly possessed, but rather brainwashed and controlled via technological means. So even if one were to defeat and imprison the Protodeviln, does it not stand to reason you'd be far from defeating their army of leftovers? Makes Macross a little more interesting than your average cliche in which killing the head of the snake suddenly results in the vast forces of evil all succumbing. Now when talking about UNG contact with the Zentradi Army and the Supervision Army we have to be careful. We don't know for sure that Isamu's Zentradi enemies in Macross Plus were actually Zentradi Army. These Battle Suits could have been remnants of the Bodol Zer Main Fleet who either had contact with humans and built new Zentradi mecha or simply used old Zentradi mecha not shown up until now. It's also possible these Battle Suits from Macross Plus are part of Anti-U.N.-like organizations or other dissident factions. The only thing we know for sure is that they were Zentradi mecha and piloted by Zentradi, but the rest is a guessing game as far as I understand it. And wouldn't the Varauta Army, for all intents and purposes, be the Supervision Army in theory if not in practice? It's still Humans and Zentradi controlled by the Protodeviln. Doesn't really matter if they only controlled so much space and had a limit to their fleet, they were still the same kind of enemy. I do understand what you're saying and you're talking about the old Supervision Army that's still spread throughout the Galaxy fighting the trillions of Zentradi forces. But really, the Milky Way Galaxy is so incredibly huge it's no surprise at all that a few dozen star systems controlled by the UNG won't be noticed in a galaxy of 200-400 billion stars. In fact, it's a bloody miracle that anyone can find anything in a frontier that large. And it's not like the Zentradi and the Supervision Army have any interest in exploring the galaxy if it's not directly related to some military mission. There's probably vast expanses of the galaxy that have never even been explored by any sentient creature since creation began. Size also explains why this galaxy-wide conflict between the Zentradi and the Supervision Army can last this long. You're talking about territory over 100,000 light years in diameter with millions of war materiel production centers and fighting forces measured in the trillions. It could take thousands of millennium or more to come to any kind of conclusion, if ever! Personally, I don't find it odd at all that there's been limited contact. In fact, with just a few dozen colonization fleets, I think the whole concept that the UN Spacy just happened to find Varauta pretty damn contrived.

That's great news. I'm gonna get Ingram 2, so I can have the shotgun (love the SPAS, always makes me think of Half-Life and Half-Life 2, hehehe). I bet the Dougram is quite impressive. I'm not into the anime, but I'm familiar with the design (via old Battletech stuff). It's possible the Dougram may be one of the most articulated of the Revoltech figures I've seen on HLJ. Or maybe the pictures just had a more inspired photographer. But seriously, the poses that thing can pull off look amazing. I think I'm set on a VF-1J Valkyrie, Ingram 2 and an Evangelion. It's "duel" and yeah, I mentioned that a bunch of pages back. But others in addition to yourself have all wished for the same thing, so it's a popular enough request. They have to make the YF-19/YF-21 pair

That's perfect. I'm a little tired of large stuff. After two Yammies and my Aoshima Dropship, I'm ready for a few smaller figures that don't take up so much space. I think I'm gonna order a couple other figures along with my VF-1J. I've got my eye on those Patlabor figures.

Wow, nice outfit

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Hahaha, popped indeed! The VF-1J is a fine choice for your first Yamato, as is the 1/48 scale. The 1/48 Yamato is the one major toy purchase with which I've been happiest (though I admit, I'm not a collector by any stretch). I'm sure you won't be disappointed either.

Thanks for the correction RFT. I assumed the size and weight listed were the actual figures themselves. This will be my first Kaiyodo Revoltech figure, so I'm a little in the dark at this point.

Wow! Nice animation! Thanks Ginrai!

Nope, didn't know that either Sorry, must have missed that. It is something on my list of need-to-see anime, but sometimes it's hard to keep up on everything.

What's sad is focusing on the negative. Sure there are always a few screaming for blood, but for the most part this thread has intelligent and insightful discussion. You get out of it what you put in.

I always loved the British Challenger series myself. I know Canada likes the Leopard 2 and it's good machine, but personally like the Challenger better. I've always wanted to know the intricaces of the Dorchester armor; it's just sounds really cool. For some reason I really like reading about armor and high energy ballistics. Probably why I like mecha so much and why I find the Macross armored variants of the Valkyries so fascinating I've actually driven an old Leopard 1, one of my claims to fame as a civilian. In my home town a good friend of the family purchased a disarmed Leopard 1 in Germany and had it shipped in pieces over to Canada. With some help he put the thing back together and now drives it around his acreage outside of town. I've had the pleasure of being behind the controls and what a beast it is! Quite hard to handle if you're not used to it like I was, but it sure is fun to try

Wow, you know the japanese companies really have to start noting this stuff to international markets. I've always wanted to check out Five Star Stories and had no idea an official region free DVD with english subtitles existed. This is good news

I know this may be a stretch, but even the lousy Battlestar Galactica series did spawn...eventually...the 2003 reimagining which is, at last, a quality production

This is a very old subject, so I hope I'm remembering correctly. Basically, the japanese court case ruled that Big West has the rights to all the designs, but Tatsunoko had the international distribution rights to the SDFM show and were rightly able to sell it to HG. *cross my fingers that I got it right* What everyone here on MW seemed to agree on was that meant HG could still market and sell SDF Macross shows and merchandise, but could not use DYRL, Flashback 2012, Macross Plus, Macross 7 or Macross Zero in any way shape or form. It also meant they could no longer do the cease and desist thing against japanese Macross imports, since legally they don't own the rights to those designs. Speculation is high this was the reason HG continues to diverge far away from anything Macross related with new Robotech productions and only sells the old SDF Macross series DVDs and toys to which it has solid legal footing. That's what I can remember clearly. I hope I'm right.

Hehehe, I am watching indeed. That's a great shot I can post it on my website in the next update, if you like Roy's Blues.