Andor (Star Wars: Andor) - Disney+

[Big s]

8 hours ago, Dynaman said:

Last note - Even with the minor problems more stories like this is what Star Wars needs right now.  Stories about the average(ish) people in the SW universe.

I guess that the Star Wars a Janitor’s Story will be a great series. 

Edited July 6 by Big s

[Seto Kaiba]

6 hours ago, Dynaman said:

1 - Who come and go FAR too freely.  Those who actually know the location should have been kept on a very tight leash.

They are on a tight leash.

We're told directly that comings and goings from Yavin IV are strictly monitored, require authorization, and so on.  We're directly shown that unscheduled/unapproved arrivals get intercepted and taken prisoner if they cooperate, and shot down if they don't.  We also directly see General Draven chew out Cassian and his team for leaving without clearing the op they're headed out on for Luthen with command or filing a flight plan twice. 

It's strongly implied that Cassian's breach of regulations was only overlooked the first time because he had more or less singlehandedly rescued Mon Mothma from the Senate and delivered her safely to rebel agents after her speech denouncing the Emperor.

The second time... even though he extracts a valuable rebel intelligence agent, his ship is escorted down by rebel fighters, he's greeted by a sizable unit ready to shoot him on sight, and is ultimately grounded and confined to quarters.

 

6 hours ago, Dynaman said:

2 - They should have known it exists but not where it is.  They are always one step away from being caught.  They should also have insisted they not know where the base is.  The base also should have had a code name they used instead of "Yavin base".  

Perhaps... but as we see in the series and in Rogue One, it's difficult to say "No" to the spoiled rich politicians who are literally bankrolling the Rebel Alliance's activities.

Bail Organa does acknowledge that they were basically all supposed to go into hiding anyway and were relying on their status to keep them from being arrested and interrogated.

Not using a codename for the base may be mildly excusable in the sense that one of Star Wars's favorite tropes is the idea that there are star systems so irrelevant or so far off the beaten path that they're either effectively unknown, forgotten about, or simply ignored on navigational charts. 

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So much so, in fact, that the Empire is just as fond of building secret bases on Planet Nowhere as the Rebels are.  I just finished watching The Bad Batch last night, and fairly 1/3 of that series is devoted to the titular unit of clones trying to identify what planet the Mount Tantiss Imperial laboratory is on so they can raid it.

 

[Dynaman]

36 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

They are on a tight leash.

We're told directly that comings and goings from Yavin IV are strictly monitored, require authorization, and so on. 

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So much so, in fact, that the Empire is just as fond of building secret bases on Planet Nowhere as the Rebels are.  I just finished watching The Bad Batch last night, and fairly 1/3 of that series is devoted to the titular unit of clones trying to identify what planet the Mount Tantiss Imperial laboratory is on so they can raid it.

 

No they are not - anyone with any idea where Yavin 4 is should be kept on Yavin 4 or going no futher than a collection point where they pick up and pilot other starships to Yavin from those collection points.  Anyone going anywhere else should have no idea where the rebel base is, only the collection points.

As for the spoiled rich politicians, sure they could all say they have to know where the base is - but in any realistic universe at all that would have meant instant doom to keep that secret.  Star Wars could get away with bad logic like that(*) since as Harrison Ford reportedly said to Mark Hamill "It ain't that kind of movie kid".  Andor was trying to be that kind of series.

 

(*) - Leia should never have had the Falcon go straight from the DT to Yavin, they could have had those plans studied anywhere and the Empire would not find the Yavin base (which Leia knew they were doing from her own dialog).

[Dynaman]

5 hours ago, Big s said:

I guess that the Star Wats a Janitor’s Story will be a great series. 

B5 had an entire episode (granted not one of their best, or even a very good one) that followed a couple of maintenance men around the station.

[Seto Kaiba]

15 minutes ago, Dynaman said:

No they are not - anyone with any idea where Yavin 4 is should be kept on Yavin 4 or going no futher than a collection point where they pick up and pilot other starships to Yavin from those collection points.  Anyone going anywhere else should have no idea where the rebel base is, only the collection points.

"It ain't that kind of setting, kid."

Star Wars doesn't run on that kind of logic.  Not yet, anyway.  Stories set after the sequel trilogy might have to, but only because The Last Jedi gave the First Order the technology to track a ship through hyperspace.

The Rebels in Andor don't have that problem.  Knowing a place's name isn't enough to actually get you there, you need coordinates.  If your destination is uncharted, you're SOL (as seen in Skeleton Crew, The Bad Batch, etc.).  Jumping to hyperspace is a de facto clean getaway.  Ships can only be tracked between star systems by spaceport logs (in legit travel) or by installing a physical tracking device on the ship that can be detected, disabled, and/or removed as happens often.  All that really needs to be done to keep the location of secret bases or facilities secret is to wipe the navigational computer's memory, a security measure we see implemented several times.  (This is also one reason droids get periodic memory wipes.)  The way interstellar travel works in Star Wars is massively, MASSIVELY convenient for the rebels.

There is one example of the kind of security you're talking about, but it was for an Imperial program even more secret than the Death Star in The Bad Batch, and since the waypoint was fixed the secrecy was compromised fairly easily anyway.

 

15 minutes ago, Dynaman said:

As for the spoiled rich politicians, sure they could all say they have to know where the base is - but in any realistic universe at all that would have meant instant doom to keep that secret.  Star Wars could get away with bad logic like that(*) since as Harrison Ford reportedly said to Mark Hamill "It ain't that kind of movie kid".  Andor was trying to be that kind of series.

That is multiply acknowledged in Andor.  Not only is that the reason that Luthen recruits/coopts a key member of her staff to serve as an ad hoc protection detail, it's also why the rebellion needed to urgently extract her from the Senate and get her offworld after her speech.  She Knows Too Much and can't be allowed to be arrested by the ISB.

I disagree that keeping that secret would mean instant doom.  After all, there are plenty of politicians who are privy to classified knowledge about black sites and top secret plans who manage to keep that sh*t under wraps in the real world.  Mon Mothma, Bail Organa, et. al. were, as directly acknowledged in-series, basically counting on wealth, status, and public perception of them as upper-class twits offended by the very thought of violence to remain beneath suspicion as anything other than possible rebel sympathizers.

 

15 minutes ago, Dynaman said:

(*) - Leia should never have had the Falcon go straight from the DT to Yavin, they could have had those plans studied anywhere and the Empire would not find the Yavin base (which Leia knew they were doing from her own dialog).

Whether those plans could've been studied anywhere is doubtful.

[Dynaman]

Not worth any more arguments.  EXCEPT - Bring up anything in Last Jedi is counterproductive.  That movie was a train wreck from start to finish.  (and I'll say no more on that either)

[sh9000]

https://www.starwars.com/news/how-andor-changes-how-we-view-rogue-one

[Seto Kaiba]

4 hours ago, sh9000 said:

https://www.starwars.com/news/how-andor-changes-how-we-view-rogue-one

They missed one... "Knowing it's unlikely we'll ever get a pair of Star Wars titles this good ever again."

Pretty weak article.  I have to wonder who it's for... since most people wouldn't go to read a blog post on StarWars.com unless they were Star Wars fans, and to Star Wars fans those points would largely be screechingly obvious.  Especially #3, since people watching the rest of Disney Star Wars would already know about Imperial exploitation and crackdowns on Ryloth, Lothal, Lasan, and a dozen others.

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Veers into "unfortunate implications" territory, since those other incidents are mainly on planets of Rubber Forehead Aliens... it takes having it happen to a predominantly human planet for someone to sit up and take notice.

 

[electric indigo]

I'd still recommend watching R1 before Andor, since the closing shot of Andor is the perfect final note for the experince IMO.

No, there was just someting in my eye...

[TangledThorns]

2 hours ago, electric indigo said:

I'd still recommend watching R1 before Andor, since the closing shot of Andor is the perfect final note for the experince IMO.

No, there was just someting in my eye...

 

Yes, as a dad it got me as well. 

Found this fan edit of Rogue One's ending with the Andor theme. 
 

 

[sh9000]

It would be cool if Andor at least won for writing and cinematography.

[Duke Togo]

The Pitt and Andor were the best two drama series this past year, but it's likely neither will win. As I've been saying for years, these award shows are meaningless.

You can't even use award shows as a way to discover things you might not have seen but should. You look at how many noms White Lotus season 3 got, and it's not good.  Someone might see that and go, ya know, maybe I should check it out. No.

Edited Thursday at 01:06 AM by Duke Togo

[Mog]

Why Stellan Skarsgard wasn’t nominated is stupid.