Andor (Star Wars: Andor) - Disney+

[jvmacross]

11 hours ago, Big s said:

Senator Binx was too loyal to the empire to be imprisoned by them.

That's Sentor Binx in a New Republic cell.....lol

[Big s]

1 hour ago, jvmacross said:

That's Sentor Binx in a New Republic cell.....lol

I don’t think the new republic really had prison cells, just transport ships where prisoners escape easily and become pirates or First Order members. 
I think Binx and Deedra met in transition and that’s where Phasma was conceived. that’s how Phasma gained her luck abilities, unfortunately Dedra’s bad luck powers counteracted Binx’s doof luck powers.

[Seto Kaiba]

12 hours ago, Big s said:

Senator Binx was too loyal to the empire to be imprisoned by them.

Supervisor Meero almost certainly believed the same was true of herself.

That she was surely too loyal to the Empire to ever be arrested and sent to a space gulag.

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Then she FAFO'd by actively interfering in another Supervisor's investigation and arrest and accessing documents she had no clearance for, and discovered that the Empire really doesn't give a sh*t about her loyalty.

I can only imagine the vast numbers of people who might begin dreaming up false charges in order to free themselves from Senator Binks's company.🤣

 

 

1 hour ago, jvmacross said:

That's Sentor Binx in a New Republic cell.....lol

1 minute ago, Big s said:

I don’t think the new republic really had prison cells, just transport ships where prisoners escape easily and become pirates or First Order members. 
I think Binx and Deedra met in transition and that’s where Phasma was conceived. that’s how Phasma gained her luck abilities, unfortunately Dedra’s bad luck powers counteracted Binx’s doof luck powers.

Most of the Empire's prisons were Republic and/or Separatist prisons first... and probably went right back to being Republic prisons after the war.

The only thing more horrible than that hypothesis is the cursed knowledge imparted to me by The Clone Wars... the terrible, forbidden knowledge that...

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Abandon hope, ye who enter here...

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Seriously, some things you're better off not knowing.

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... Jar-Jar Binks canonically f*cks.

We meet his lover, who is a Queen on another planet, in The Clone Wars's sixth season.

 

[sh9000]

She did a great job.

[TangledThorns]

Finished the second season. Just as f'ing good as the first. I'm hoping we get to see more of this. A series about the second Death Star would be very interesting. But who knows with Disney...

[Roy Focker]

1 hour ago, TangledThorns said:

Finished the second season. Just as f'ing good as the first. I'm hoping we get to see more of this. A series about the second Death Star would be very interesting. But who knows with Disney...

Unless the timeline has been changed there are 3 years between Episodes IV & V. Then a 1/2 year between V & VI. You could cover the 2nd Death Star, show how they captured the Imperial Shuttle, killed those Bothans, the move from Yavin to Hoth. They covered the years leading up to Yavin and a few years after Endor. The movies only covered the big battles. You still tell stories about smaller skirmishes in the war. I'm 100% sure all of it has been covered in some novel or comic book, but live action Star Wars is the most interesting when the good guys are the underdogs. 

[Seto Kaiba]

51 minutes ago, Roy Focker said:

I'm 100% sure all of it has been covered in some novel or comic book, but live action Star Wars is the most interesting when the good guys are the underdogs. 

Some parts of that story are likely too unremarkable/mundane/boring to bother putting into a series too.

For instance, the theft of the shuttle is probably a nonevent.  Rebels steal Imperial shuttles so often in Star Wars shows that how easily and how often they're stolen has become a bit of an in-story running joke across multiple series.  

"How is it the Empire lets us keep stealing these things?" - Kanan Jarrus

[TangledThorns]

Also want to note how the soundtrack was perfect for the tone of the series too. 

 

 

[sh9000]

Very cool.

[Big s]

On 5/24/2025 at 7:54 AM, TangledThorns said:

Also want to note how the soundtrack was perfect for the tone of the series too. 

 

 

I wouldn’t say perfect, that dance music just didn’t fit

[TangledThorns]

Wait for it... 😂🤣

 

 

[renegadeleader1]

On 5/23/2025 at 9:40 PM, Roy Focker said:

Unless the timeline has been changed there are 3 years between Episodes IV & V. Then a 1/2 year between V & VI. You could cover the 2nd Death Star, show how they captured the Imperial Shuttle, killed those Bothans, the move from Yavin to Hoth. They covered the years leading up to Yavin and a few years after Endor. The movies only covered the big battles. You still tell stories about smaller skirmishes in the war. I'm 100% sure all of it has been covered in some novel or comic book, but live action Star Wars is the most interesting when the good guys are the underdogs. 

Dedra redemption arc. Her getting inadvertently getting busted out of prison during a rebel prison break and joining the rebellion where her knowledge of imperial security procedures would be invaluable. Her losing everything as she has would give her a new understanding and value of Luthen's talk of freedom to her. It would also be fitting if her actions again have unforseen consequences with her being the one that sets the Emperor's trap into motion. Doubly so if she senses it's a trap, but gets shouted down because she's not trusted by someone like Klaya who would see the battle of endor as a final confrontation to end it all and fulfill her and Luthen's dream of a galaxy without the Empire.

[Big s]

6 hours ago, renegadeleader1 said:

Dedra redemption arc. Her getting inadvertently getting busted out of prison during a rebel prison break and joining the rebellion where her knowledge of imperial security procedures would be invaluable. Her losing everything as she has would give her a new understanding and value of Luthen's talk of freedom to her. It would also be fitting if her actions again have unforseen consequences with her being the one that sets the Emperor's trap into motion. Doubly so if she senses it's a trap, but gets shouted down because she's not trusted by someone like Klaya who would see the battle of endor as a final confrontation to end it all and fulfill her and Luthen's dream of a galaxy without the Empire.

It is very possible she’d be broken out with the rest of the rebels. As I said a few posts back, she was listed as a rebel spy and there’s not many left alive if anyone that could even dispute that 

[Seto Kaiba]

5 hours ago, renegadeleader1 said:

Dedra redemption arc. Her getting inadvertently getting busted out of prison during a rebel prison break and joining the rebellion where her knowledge of imperial security procedures would be invaluable. Her losing everything as she has would give her a new understanding and value of Luthen's talk of freedom to her.

Oh please no.  That's so dumb and it would ruin her entire character arc.

Meero's role in the story, like Karn's, is to show that the Empire emphatically does not care about anyone.  The Empire's authoritarian desire for total control means that deviation from its edicts is seen as a challenge to its authority and punished without mercy, no matter how loyal or well-intentioned that person is.  It's only ever a matter of time before the regime turns on and destroys even its most mindlessly loyal lackeys for some perceived or actual failure, mistake, or misstep. 

Dedra Meero was a true believer in the Empire and the ISB's particularly draconian idea of "justice".  She all but unflinchingly ordered a genocide for the Empire's benefit.  Neither her lifelong loyalty nor her professional achievements in the Empire's service mattered a damn once she finally made a mistake that affected the Empire's objectives.  She wound up sent to be worked to death in the very same prison labor camps she spent her days shipping people to.  That irony is the perfect end to her story.

A redemption arc would be absolutely ridiculous... not only is Meero someone who absolutely loathes the Rebellion, there's no way the Rebels are going to overlook what she's done.  Not only did she likely send many thousands of people to prison labor camps like Narkina to be worked to death, she literally orchestrated a genocide.  The very genocide that directly led to the formation of the Rebel Alliance. 

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Considering the rather blatant reference to the Wannsee Conference in the season's first episode, Dedra Meero's basically Star Wars's version of real world war criminal Adolf Eichmann.  Like Eichmann, once justice catches up to her she's headed for trial and the gallows... not a pardon and future employment.

 

There's already a better character for that role from the same period too... ISB Agent Kallus.

[Big s]

2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

.  Like Eichmann, once justice catches up to her she's headed for trial and the gallows... not a pardon and future employment.

Unfortunately, everyone that knew of her crimes is pretty much dead. All they have on record is that she was a rebel spy that leaked information about the Deathstar, making her a rebel hero by mistake.

[renegadeleader1]

1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Oh please no.  That's so dumb and it would ruin her entire character arc.

Meero's role in the story, like Karn's, is to show that the Empire emphatically does not care about anyone.  The Empire's authoritarian desire for total control means that deviation from its edicts is seen as a challenge to its authority and punished without mercy, no matter how loyal or well-intentioned that person is.  It's only ever a matter of time before the regime turns on and destroys even its most mindlessly loyal lackeys for some perceived or actual failure, mistake, or misstep. 

Dedra Meero was a true believer in the Empire and the ISB's particularly draconian idea of "justice".  She all but unflinchingly ordered a genocide for the Empire's benefit.  Neither her lifelong loyalty nor her professional achievements in the Empire's service mattered a damn once she finally made a mistake that affected the Empire's objectives.  She wound up sent to be worked to death in the very same prison labor camps she spent her days shipping people to.  That irony is the perfect end to her story.

A redemption arc would be absolutely ridiculous... not only is Meero someone who absolutely loathes the Rebellion, there's no way the Rebels are going to overlook what she's done.  Not only did she likely send many thousands of people to prison labor camps like Narkina to be worked to death, she literally orchestrated a genocide.  The very genocide that directly led to the formation of the Rebel Alliance. 

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Considering the rather blatant reference to the Wannsee Conference in the season's first episode, Dedra Meero's basically Star Wars's version of real world war criminal Adolf Eichmann.  Like Eichmann, once justice catches up to her she's headed for trial and the gallows... not a pardon and future employment.

 

There's already a better character for that role from the same period too... ISB Agent Kallus.

You're not really making a solid argument why it isn't a good idea. As you stated Dedra is a morally ambiguous character with a massive taint from her past actions who has had her entire world view shattered, lost her love, lost her freedom, and has been literally tossed aside like garbage by the entire thing she dedicated her life to. An unhinged thirst for revenge is a hell of a motivation, and lets face it Dedra is the type that would sacrifice a whole planet worth of Bothans to accomplish a mission especially if it means getting retribution against the establishment that she feels discarded her.

[renegadeleader1]

4 minutes ago, Big s said:

Unfortunately, everyone that knew of her crimes is pretty much dead. All they have on record is that she was a rebel spy that leaked information about the Deathstar, making her a rebel hero by mistake.

Like Krennic said, "You missed your calling as a rebel spy."

 

I like to think that's forshadowing.

[Seto Kaiba]

55 minutes ago, Big s said:

Unfortunately, everyone that knew of her crimes is pretty much dead. All they have on record is that she was a rebel spy that leaked information about the Deathstar, making her a rebel hero by mistake.

That's demonstrably untrue... even just within the context of Andor itself.

Dedra Meero was an ISB supervisor who was in charge of multiple sectors and a major conflict zone (Ghorman).  She wasn't quite a public figure, but she was someone that was under scrutiny by the Ghorman Front, by Luthen's agents, and by other rebel groups.  As we know from multiple stories, most of those groups shared intelligence.

There's also two years between the Ghorman Massacre and the events of Rogue One in which survivors of the Ghorman Front, Cassian Andor, and possibly K-2SO could share all their intelligence with the newly formed Rebel Alliance.  Plus the Alliance also has Kleya, who knows all about Dedra Meero and many other top-ranking ISB operatives.  Not only that, but the Ghorman Massacre was one of the Empire's worst public atrocities and individuals involved in it would naturally have been marked as war criminals that the Rebel Alliance (and New Republic) would wantt o bring to trial.  (The briefing room scene where Cassian relays Kleya's message suggests the Alliance is well aware of who the ISB's supervisors are and what they've done.)

So no... it's not like all information on Dedra Meero and her war crimes magically disappeared and she can be mistaken for a rebel spy.  The very idea is ridiculous.

 

51 minutes ago, renegadeleader1 said:

You're not really making a solid argument why it isn't a good idea. As you stated Dedra is a morally ambiguous character [...]

Uh, no... no I did not.

In fact, what I stated was the opposite.  That Dedra Meero is a True Believer in the Empire and the ISB's vision of Imperial Justice.  There is nothing morally ambiguous about her.  She is full-on Lawful Evil.  Two entire seasons of the series clearly show that she is not in any way conflicted about her role in the ISB.  She's blase about mass arrest quotas and the detainees being worked to death in prison labor camps.  She quite calmly advocates that a captured rebel pilot be murdered to avoid tipping off his compatriots that he had been captured.  On Ferrix, she's shown to be enjoying herself watching Dr. Gorse torture suspected Rebel agents like Bix and Salman Paak to the brink of insanity with audio recordings of a genocide as a way of collecting intelligence and has no problem with the local prefect executing Salman by hanging afterward.  She not only proposes a Final Solution to the "Ghorman problem" at Krennic's conference, she personally creates the conditions for the Ghorman Massacre to occur and then gives the order to start the massacre herself.  She justifies the massacre to her boyfriend as necessary to advance their careers.

The only time she's ever shown to be in any way bothered by what she does is when her boyfriend attempts to wring her neck after learning that she's actively trying to make the situation on Ghorman worse, and he ends up dead as a result.

Her role in season two is a very overt echo of a real world war criminal responsible for a genocide.  That's not moral ambiguity, that's genuine evil.  Not the cackling melodramatic kind embodied by Emperor Palpatine, but unambiguous evil nonetheless.

 

51 minutes ago, renegadeleader1 said:

[...] with a massive taint from her past actions who has had her entire world view shattered, lost her love, lost her freedom, and has been literally tossed aside like garbage by the entire thing she dedicated her life to. An unhinged thirst for revenge is a hell of a motivation, and lets face it Dedra is the type that would sacrifice a whole planet worth of Bothans to accomplish a mission especially if it means getting retribution against the establishment that she feels discarded her.

What makes you assume her thirst for revenge would be focused on the Empire?

Remember, the Empire is what she believes in.  What she has devoted her entire life to.  What literally raised her, according to her own account of her past to Eedy.  Her service to the ISB and the Empire is practically her entire identity and her faith in the Empire is practically absolute.  The Rebels utterly disgust her, as we see on many occasions in the series.

And remember, when Director Krennic confronts her in the ISB interrogation room on Coruscant, we see her put two and two together VERY quickly and realize that the person who stole her credentials and accessed the files about the Death Star that had been mistakenly sent to her was a Rebel agent and the person responsible for the leak.  As far as Dedra's concerned, she's in that prison because a rebel spy broke into her files and destroyed her career.  That's not likely to endear the Rebellion to her.

Not to mention, of course, that a "redemption" arc would be a boneheaded reversal of her entire character arc across both seasons of the show.  It's like proposing a redemption arc for Tarkin... he's a Complete Monster, those don't get redeemed they get destroyed.

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[renegadeleader1]

18 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

he's a Complete Monster, those don't get redeemed they get destroyed.

I can recall a certain character that that was a complete monster that killed children, carried out multiple genocides, executed, and tortured prisoners that somehow got a redemption arc. 😆

[Big s]

47 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

That's demonstrably untrue... even just within the context of Andor itself.

Dedra Meero was an ISB supervisor who was in charge of multiple sectors and a major conflict zone (Ghorman).  She wasn't quite a public figure, but she was someone that was under scrutiny by the Ghorman Front, by Luthen's agents, and by other rebel groups.  As we know from multiple stories, most of those groups shared intelligence.

There's also two years between the Ghorman Massacre and the events of Rogue One in which survivors of the Ghorman Front, Cassian Andor, and possibly K-2SO could share all their intelligence with the newly formed Rebel Alliance.  Plus the Alliance also has Kleya, who knows all about Dedra Meero and many other top-ranking ISB operatives.  Not only that, but the Ghorman Massacre was one of the Empire's worst public atrocities and individuals involved in it would naturally have been marked as war criminals that the Rebel Alliance (and New Republic) would wantt o bring to trial.  (The briefing room scene where Cassian relays Kleya's message suggests the Alliance is well aware of who the ISB's supervisors are and what they've done.)

So no... it's not like all information on Dedra Meero and her war crimes magically disappeared and she can be mistaken for a rebel spy.  The very idea is ridiculous.

Basically everyone you listed died and the rebels don’t seem to trust information from other factions easily. Kleya might end up the only one and she probably wouldn’t have been the one to break her or other prisoners out. Not only that, but who knows if Kleya survived much past this point. They could just as easily write her as KIA or just quit and ended up a death stick addict.

 

30 minutes ago, renegadeleader1 said:

I can recall a certain character that that was a complete monster that killed children, carried out multiple genocides, executed, and tortured prisoners that somehow got a redemption arc. 😆

and now he’s an undead force ghost with a cool, very much younger and fully intact body.

[Seto Kaiba]

6 hours ago, renegadeleader1 said:

I can recall a certain character that that was a complete monster that killed children, carried out multiple genocides, executed, and tortured prisoners that somehow got a redemption arc. 😆

If you're thinking of Darth Vader, he didn't have a redemption arc... he had a last second change of heart after his boss spent like 30 minutes interviewing his replacement right in front of him, then immediately f***ing died.  He never had to work with anyone to prove he had changed or try to earn forgiveness from anyone.  That he gets to come back as a "good" ghost owes a lot to his worst atrocities being retcons from the prequel trilogy, the Force's BS moral absolutes (and apparently only saving his last known moral alignment), and his status as The Chosen One and former violent offender apparently making him ideal to do the Force version of a "scared straight" PSA in Ahsoka. 🤣 

(I'm told that, in the EU, the few people he tries to speak to as a ghost tell him to F off because his last-second change of heart doesn't absolve him of all the horrible sh*t he did.)

If you're thinking of Kylo Ren, he also didn't really have a redemption arc... he had a last second change of heart after his new boss started creeping on his crush and his mom died, then he almost immediately f***ing died.

 

6 hours ago, Big s said:

Basically everyone you listed died and the rebels don’t seem to trust information from other factions easily. Kleya might end up the only one and she probably wouldn’t have been the one to break her or other prisoners out. Not only that, but who knows if Kleya survived much past this point. They could just as easily write her as KIA or just quit and ended up a death stick addict.

Only a few of them (e.g. Cassian, Melshi, K-2SO) and only years after the massacre, leaving them lots of time to share intel.  It's not said that the Ghorman Front survivors who joined the Alliance in Rebels were wiped out.  We know that there is one person for whom the Ghorman Massacre was a very personal subject who is absolutely still around decades later too... Mon Mothma.  

Your whole line of reasoning does not work.  

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[Big s]

44 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Mon Mothma.  

I don’t remember Mon knowing specifically about her. Either way, she definitely wouldn’t do a break out job

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[Mog]

Don’t forget that Wilmon’s girlfriend (that he was sharing a meal with during the ending montage) is also a former Ghorman Front member.

[Seto Kaiba]

2 hours ago, Big s said:

I don’t remember Mon knowing specifically about her. Either way, she definitely wouldn’t do a break out job

Mon is not specifically mentioned to be involved with Meero, but Ghorman had been her particular issue in the Senate for literal years before the massacre and her denunciation of the Emperor in the Senate. She first mentions it all the way back in season 1, around 3 years before the actual massacre. It's a fairly safe bet she knows most of the information about what happened there. If not upfront, then at least after the fact. It was her key wedge issue that led to the creation of the Rebel Alliance.

She absolutely would not break Meero out of prison though. She would probably put her on trial and send her back to prison rather than execute her though.

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[Big s]

2 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

She absolutely would not break Meero out of prison though. She would probably put her on trial and send her back to prison rather than execute her though.

That’s if she found out. With a mass breakout, it would be easy for ex prisoners to get away fairly easy. Seems pretty common after the rebels took over.

[Seto Kaiba]

21 minutes ago, Big s said:

That’s if she found out. With a mass breakout, it would be easy for ex prisoners to get away fairly easy. Seems pretty common after the rebels took over.

She'd almost certainly be found out fairly easily if she's still alive when the Rebel Alliance/New Republic finally takes control of the prison she's been left to rot in.

After all, Dedra Meero was/is the Imperial officer responsible for orchestrating one of the Empire's first really overt and undisguised atrocities.  She is a high profile war criminal in the eyes of the Rebel Alliance.  The kind of person they're likely to want to bring to justice one way or the other.  Whether that justice takes the form of a shoot-on-sight order or an order to arrest them and bring them to trial to be either re-imprisoned or executed depends on when and who finds her.  (I'd assume the Rebels likely have some kind of card deck for high-profile Imperial officers and war criminals the way the US does to help troops identify enemy leaders.)

 

Of course, this all presumes that she would still be alive at the time the Rebel Alliance either located and took control of the prison complex or the New Republic took over from the Empire.  There is a very strong argument that she would not be alive by the time that happens.

1. Unlike a regular Narkina inmate, ex-ISB supervisor Dedra Meero knows full bloody well that she's been handed a death sentence.  Nobody is ever actually released from the prison.  They just get shuffled around until they're worked to death or kill themselves.
2. With her entire life and career now destroyed and being well aware that she is there to be worked to death, it's likely she will opt to step onto a hot floor and fry herself as we saw inmates do in season one rather than suffer for years.
3. If her identity as a former ISB supervisor becomes known to her fellow inmates, she's likely to find herself being killed by her fellow prisoners.
4. If she at any point lets slip that there is no actual release from the Narkina prisons, she's likely to find herself and everyone else on her floor being killed by the guards to keep the information a secret as we saw happen in season one.
5. If the Empire decides to withdraw from or shut down the prisons because they are either not needed or at risk of falling into Rebel hands, the most likely outcome is that the Empire will simply activate ALL the floors and kill every inmate in the prison so that none of them will join the fight against them.

Ultimately, the odds of Meero still being alive to be found by the Rebel Alliance or New Republic are very very slim.  It's vastly more likely that she would be dead, either at her own hand or that of the prison guards, by the time the prisons come under Rebel or New Republic control.