Kevin/Hamill Involved In Star Wars TV?

[bsu legato]

The books are wrong. You can clearly see the galaxy quite a distance off...about where you would find a dwarf galaxy. (I apologize for the quality..had to resize it).

No, I'm afraid that the books override any fanfiction you can muster, despite what the guys on Stardestroyer.net might have to say about it.

[the white drew carey]

The books are wrong. You can clearly see the galaxy quite a distance off...about where you would find a dwarf galaxy. (I apologize for the quality..had to resize it).

No, I'm afraid that the books override any fanfiction you can muster, despite what the guys on Stardestroyer.net might have to say about it.

Yeah, I was always under the impression that it was some type of star system- either forming, or the opposite, throwing matter out into space as the star rotates (not an unknown phenomenon even in '80).

Secondly- 1BRD, you may call the books wrong, but the Director's Commentary? How can the director be wrong?

[the white drew carey]

Crap- I forgot to post on the thread itself!!!

Anyhow- What I would really want to see is something in regards to a mixture of X-wing and Jedi-related stories. But I wouldn't want the show to stand-alone episodes at all. If there's one thing 24 has taught us, it's that it's not hard at all for a dedicated team to do a season long story arc.

That would be cool- Event takes place, Jedi investigate, fighter pilots investigate, everyone goes to town in a big old multi-character adventure.

That would rock.

[Coota0]

Um, I think this really is a matter of interpretation, but it always looked like a spiral galaxy to me.

If it were a galaxy it wouldn't be a spiral it would be an eliptical.

[lord_breetai]

Should be 1 Galaxy only. Even in the EU. They never went extra-galactic.

For the canon movies, I guess we can take hint from Vader offering Luke to rule the 'Galaxy' together and not 'Universe' or 'Galaxies'.

Actually...the novels get it wrong.

Rewatch the end of the Empire Strikes Back and you can clearly tell that the Alliance Fleet met somewhere in a dwarf galaxy near the main one as the Millenium Falcon is shown jetting out towards the galaxy proper. It was probably relativel close by, much like the Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy in our own universe. There are probably a myriad of small satellite galaxies near the big one.

In the EU, I always took The Outbound Project as trying to reach another large galaxy...say like someone going from The Milky Way to Andromeda.

In tales from the bounty Hunters... the one Bounty Hunters learns that the Rebel roundevous point is beyond the galaxy. And yes in the novels they do go beyond the galaxy in a few places.

[DARTHTODD]

Look, all this the books got it wrong is kind of ridiculous. I'm sure lucas just wanted something that "looks cool" to represent the galaxy. That it isn't scientifically correct is besides the point. Course Lucas will probably change this now in the next version to what it should look like....

BTW, this is what always happens to Star Wars. Everything little fricken detail gets analyzed and over analyzed. These movies are/were suppossed to be fun and not analyzed like this. It's pretty funny.

BTW, I don't know if it was mentioned yet but in the books....and forgive me for not mentioning which one cause I don't remember. It was mentioned that the rebels grouped outside the galazy cause it was the safest place where the empire wouldn't find them. It even said that many ships were lost during the dangerous route out of the galaxy. The NJO even mentioned how surprised the New Republic was when they realized that Yuuzhan Vong had found a way into the galaxy because of the apparently few/unknown/dangerous routes there were.

Here I go analyzing things myself after whining about it......

[1st Border Red Devil]

No, I'm afraid that the books override any fanfiction you can muster, despite what the guys on Stardestroyer.net might have to say about it.

Its not fanfiction. Its the movie. That means its canon and trumps anything else until Lucas replaces the scene with something else.

[HWR MKII]

ummm the book for the movie written in 1980 and approved by lucasfilm for the novellization of the movie states it as a star system. got the book in my lap.

now as for the thread just start the shows from the truce at bakura and cut all the books into hour long segments and youll have enough episodes for a run longer than any startrek series ever had. think about it every book can encompass 3 to 4 hours of viewing enjoyment. and there are over 50 some odd books.

[1st Border Red Devil]

ummm the book for the movie written in 1980 and approved by lucasfilm for the novellization of the movie states it as a star system. got the book in my lap.

You just said it yourself. Its a novelization. That means its NOT canon. Its NOT the movie and therefore is NOT what can be taken as truth. There is no way that this is simply a new starsystem that is developing as there are bits of stars seen within the spirals. You cannot have self-illuminating hunks of matter smaller than a planet unless its something like a neutron star.

[HWR MKII]

ok in your world but....

look man the fact is that lucas gave this book his blessing when it was written. he was lead producer on the empire strikes back and controls the rights to all items with the name star wars. now if a book written for his movie taken from his script and based on his treatment is wrong than go tell him. lucas was consulted during the writing and had to read it at the time before its release to the public. i do know the EU books are not considered canon but the 3 OT books are canon. the horse is dead back to the thread.

i know some of the EU novels take place before the movies and during to give background info but the story meat from truce at bakura onward to before NJO would make for an excellent series. it would show the decline of the warlords,the deathstar prototype,the empire retaking coruscant,and many other things that when i read them i could see on screen.

[Mechleader]

NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry but Smith SUCKS as a director! He has little vision for this.

Is he a big fan....YES.

Can he pull this off....NO...unless Lucas is in his ear telling him every move.

[CoryHolmes]

Can he pull this off....NO...unless Lucas is in his ear telling him every move.

Given how much control Lucas keeps over the books, novels, and comics, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. At the least, Lucas would probably keep an Executive Producer position.

[Blaine23]

Whatever. At least Kevin Smith can write. Lucas has written about 3 scripts (the prequels) in the last 10 years and they're not exactly snappy dialogue.

It's TV, so the majority of the actual writing/directing will be handled in an episode by episode basis by people that work mostly in television. Any involvement of someone like Smith or any bigger name would be in showrunning - hiring writers, directors, etc and seasonal plot development - bigger story arcs, etc.

Lucasfilm the company may be very involved in keeping control of comics, books, etc - Corey, but GL himself has a pretty large "hands-off" mentality towards liscensed material. He sets the initial guidelines and that's about it. Every article I've ever read with the guy said, "no, I don't really care about that stuff. I've never read it."

From what I've heard, I'd imagine the same sort of thing on the TV show. Sure, he'd likely get an exec producer credit... but in Hollywood that's almost a sure way of saying you had very little to do with the actual project other than money, licensing, or favors.

[the white drew carey]

Lucasfilm the company may be very involved in keeping control of comics, books, etc - Corey, but GL himself has a pretty large "hands-off" mentality towards liscensed material. He sets the initial guidelines and that's about it. Every article I've ever read with the guy said, "no, I don't really care about that stuff. I've never read it."

True, but I sincerely believe that, before SW books started getting written again in the late 80's, the ones that were written during the OT were probably very controlled by Lucas . Books like SitME, the Han Solo books and, of course, the novelizations of the films.

Remember that Lucas was quoted as saying that in reference to the new crop that started with Timothy Zahn's books.

As for Smith- Smith rocks! You suck, Mechleader!!!

[Blaine23]

True, but I sincerely believe that, before SW books started getting written again in the late 80's, the ones that were written during the OT were probably very controlled by Lucas . Books like SitME, the Han Solo books and, of course, the novelizations of the films.

Remember that Lucas was quoted as saying that in reference to the new crop that started with Timothy Zahn's books.

As for Smith- Smith rocks! You suck, Mechleader!!!

True dat, WDC - but I went the newer books, since that seems more relevant to the discussion. If GL really did have a hand in those Billy Dee Williams' themed books, then he rocks.

Just look at that malt-liquor loving pimp...

[EXO]

Bluntman and Cock-Knocker.... together again, this time with actual light sabers...

[Sundown]

ummm the book for the movie written in 1980 and approved by lucasfilm for the novellization of the movie states it as a star system. got the book in my lap.

You just said it yourself. Its a novelization. That means its NOT canon. Its NOT the movie and therefore is NOT what can be taken as truth. There is no way that this is simply a new starsystem that is developing as there are bits of stars seen within the spirals. You cannot have self-illuminating hunks of matter smaller than a planet unless its something like a neutron star.

Novelizations are considered 2nd level "canon". At any rate, it is not a galaxy, except by similar appearance, placed in the shot because it's iconic and "looks cool". The galaxy-like-object is referred to as a "spiral nebula" in concept art notes I believe, ie, more akin to something we've never yet encountered in modern astronomy than it is a real full-on galaxy.

It's also physically impossible for the object to be a galaxy, as it's spinning much, much, much too fast on film-- so much so where most of the "galaxy" would be travelling at a speed much greater than light speed.

Basically, there's more "canonical" evidence in production notes that it's not a galaxy than that it is.

And Smith could probably direct and write-- direct and write Star Wars even-- better than Lucas can now. The best of the films were neither done nor written by Lucas, or at least not done alone by him.

-Al

Edited December 20, 2004 by Sundown

[bsu legato]

Man, why do you guys always have to make things more complicated than they have to be?

From the ESB script

LUKE: Ow!

Luke wriggles his fingers, makes a fist, and relaxes it.

His hand is completely functional.

He gets up and walks over to Leia. There is a new bond

between them, a new understanding. Leia is thinking about Han;

Luke is thinking about his uncertain and newly complicated

future. Together they stand at the large window of the medical

center looking out on the Rebel Star Cruiser and a dense,

luminous galaxy swirling in space. Luke puts his arm around

Leia. The droids stand next to them, and Threepio moves closer

to Artoo putting his arm on him. The group watches as the

Millennium Falcon moves into view, makes a turn, and zooms

away into space.

EXTERIOR: SPACE -- REBEL STAR CRUISER

While Luke, Leia, and the droids stand, looking out the

window of the star cruiser, two escort fighters join the large

ship. Slowly, the cruiser turns and moves away into space.

DISSOLVE TO:

EXTERIOR: GALAXY -- SPACE

From Kershener's commentary on the DVDs

And there goes the Millenium Falcon off on a journey, around the rim of the galaxy.

Also, I checked The Star Wars Chronicles, and they refer to the matte painting that was featured in those shots simply as "The Galaxy."

So there you have it. No extraneous dwarf galaxies, no spiral nebulas. It's simply "The" Galaxy Far, Far Away. But if anybody has some other source that's NOT derived from fanfiction, intuition or plain old stubborness, please feel free to come forward.

Edited December 21, 2004 by bsu legato

[1st Border Red Devil]

Hehe....thanks BSU.

[bsu legato]

Lucasfilm the company may be very involved in keeping control of comics, books, etc - Corey, but GL himself has a pretty large "hands-off" mentality towards liscensed material.  He sets the initial guidelines and that's about it.  Every article I've ever read with the guy said, "no, I don't really care about that stuff.  I've never read it."

True, but I sincerely believe that, before SW books started getting written again in the late 80's, the ones that were written during the OT were probably very controlled by Lucas . Books like SitME, the Han Solo books and, of course, the novelizations of the films.

Actually, the authors of the EU material from the time period that the OT was in production were actually pretty free to do as they pleased. Splinter of the Minds Eye was a project farmed out to Allan Dean Foster as the basis for possible TV movie follow-up, in case A New Hope was a dud. Dean borrowed an idea or two from Lucas' notes (namely the Kaibur Crystal) and added in a whole heaping does of CRAP!! Suffice to say that ANH was a success and we were spared the filmed version.

Brian Daley, in addition to having more than an ouce of talent, was wise enough to set his stories far beyond the established portions of the galaxy as we knew it then. With a new set of supporting characters and politics, he was free to do as he pleased. I'm not 100% certain if the mini origin we get for Han, as well as his relationship with Chewie, was based on notes from Lucas or if that was Daley's invention. I'll have to look for a more recent printing to see if it has an introduction by Lucas like all the older SW books do.

As fo the Lando books...? Well, if you've ever read them (and I'm ashamed to say that I have) you'd know that they actually have a total of ZERO impact on anything even remotely SW.

[yellowlightman]

And Smith could probably direct and write-- direct and write Star Wars even-- better than Lucas can now. The best of the films were neither done nor written by Lucas, or at least not done alone by him.

But comparing him to the guy that made Mallrats and Jersey Girl, that's liek comparing rotten oranges to rotten oranges.

Maybe they shoudl just stop making Star Wars crap, save the few remaining un-raped childhoods out there.

[JELEINEN]

Just remember: it can't be worse than the Christmas Special.

[Mechleader]

I like Smith and his films.

Mallrats rules BUT for SW???? I don't think it will work.

[Sundown]

So there you have it. No extraneous dwarf galaxies, no spiral nebulas. It's simply "The" Galaxy Far, Far Away. But if anybody has some other source that's NOT derived from fanfiction, intuition or plain old stubborness, please feel free to come forward.

Not primary material, but in CINEFEX #2 p.8:

"Effects unit art director Joe Johnston prepares a model nebula for photography. The swirling star formation was filmed with a slight rotation and incorporated into the final sequence. "

I think it might be very possible that "nebula" was what was told to Cinefex, by special effects crew. My guess is there are different people involved in production that thought different things about the object. But most considered it a galaxy, as that's what it looks most like at first inspection. Conjecture, of course.

The problem with that is that this "galaxy" is rotating on screen so fast that the rim would be travelling at something like 33 billion times the speed of light.

*shrug*

-Al

[lord_breetai]

So there you have it. No extraneous dwarf galaxies, no spiral nebulas. It's simply "The" Galaxy Far, Far Away. But if anybody has some other source that's NOT derived from fanfiction, intuition or plain old stubborness, please feel free to come forward.

hmm... again, in Tales from the Bounty hunters they say that the roundevous for the rebel fleet was outside the glaxay... the bounty hunter thought they were crazy... I'll try to find that short story again. But it would seem to agree with what you've said.

[Uxi]

This arguing over minutae is hilarious.

Can it be outside of the galaxy but not "beyond" it? Kinda like if you're beyond Pluto you'd be "outside" of it (but still within the heliosphere and thus "inside.")

As far as the EU, there's a staff that goes to great lengths to see that previously published material isn't contradicted. The Great Plaid One reserves the right to contradict all of the stuff... but he hasn't yet.