Mechamaniac Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Interesting in a "who really shot JR kind of way" http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/pentagon.htm Feel free to kick this one out Mods, but the animation is interesting if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Curious....extremely political, but curious. Time for us to crush that tinfoil a little tighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechamaniac Posted August 25, 2004 Author Share Posted August 25, 2004 (edited) Curious....extremely political, but curious.Time for us to crush that tinfoil a little tighter. Yeah, it's political, but not polarizing, really, it's more thought provoking than anything else. I was surprised that I never even thought of that stuff before, where DID the rest of the plane go?, very weird. It's also interesting on an aviation tip. Perhaps some of our pilot & engineer friends can shed some light on some of the finer points. Dunno, but, hey, interesting while it lasts. And interestingly enough, some pics to sort of debunk it the link.... http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1558416 Edited August 25, 2004 by Mechamaniac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Duo~Trenten Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 (edited) Well i had always woundered what happened to the plane but now we know there was probly none at all. and if a plane did not hit the pentagon where did it go. was it the fourth plane that hit into the ground in the middle no where ville or was it really the third and there was no fourth at all. becuase there was supposed to be 4 planes that were jacked. It's also interesting on an aviation tip. Perhaps some of our pilot & engineer friends can shed some light on some of the finer points as we all know form macross that the planes/jets can only reach there high speeds at high altitudes so how can a 757 reach its probable top speed at 2 feet kind of funny if you ask me. Id watch for men in black suits now knocking at your front doors and the last song sounds like the zerg level informer from star craft And also about being jacked my wallet was stolen at school today. It was around 3:00pm to 4:30pm that they had to steel it and there are cameras every where at my school and hardly anyone is there at that time, so i may have a good chance at finding this $hit bag. all i got to say is if the cops dont get this person first this person is going to wish they were never born. Edited August 25, 2004 by ~Duo~Trenten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stamen0083 Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 as we all know form macross that the planes/jets can only reach there high speeds at high altitudes so how can a 757 reach its probable top speed at 2 feetkind of funny if you ask me. Did you know that planes typically take off at about 160 knots? Do you have any idea how fast that is? Do you have any idea how much energy is in something so big moving at that speed? Think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-19 pilot!!! Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 man i thought i was the only one of my freinds who wondered why there was no wreckage of the plane? but i suspose in this political climate, anyone asking too many questions about what exactly happened. ( other than it was terrorist) would be hailed as heretics and traders to this country. but if you ask me... i have never trusted any "official" anything when it comes to matters deemed in the intereste of national security. all that means in my opinion is that the US will not tell the complete truth about anything because : A- they have done something they should not have B- they would incriminate themselves before the world community C-the control of information is power and an effective way of maintaining the status quo. if something did happen other than the offical senario we will not know it for some time because everyone has such a hard-on for being patriotic and terroist bashing. but honestly, people don't just wake up one morning and decide they wanna commit acts of terror. nothing is ever that black and white...EVER! i think that one question that are emotional reactions to what happened on sept. !! is not allowing us as a nations to ask, is what have we done, or what have our foriegn policies done to this region of the world to turn once US funded allies ( musha ha din) into now crusaders agains this country? as a degreed historian and political science analyst, it is my duty to remain objective. however; nobody ever wants to discuss this question, for what ever reason. this is a quesion that must be addressed! if we don't allow our selves to ask this burning question we will never fully understand why 3000 americans died that morning. just in case, i am not talking sides here....i am on the side i'm always on, my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF19 Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 There is no way a feddie cleanup crew could remove two 80 foot wings that fast, even if they were there. If they were, they would be in the E ring. There did not seem to be enough fire to accord for that ammount of fuel. A crashing plane would throw all of its fuel, stored in the wings at least a good 500 feet forward, clearly burning the exterior of the building, and torching all the grass outside. That hole is not big enough for a 100000 pound aircraft traveling at 530 miles an hour. No way. You're talking around one hundred thousand joules of energy. That wall of E ring would not be standing. And it COLLPASED 20 minutes after. Did you see how small the collapsed area was? THE ENTIRE LENGTHOF THE DAMAGED SECTION. In essence, they are saying something with a 170 foot wingspan and a 20 foot in diameter fuselage DID NOT destroy some of the structure. I'm on their boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightbat Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Old news (or conspiracy) this was asked just a few days after 9/11 (and was posted on the old board, only not as a FLASH page) Now the pentagon is a BIG building, so any damage you see is much larger than it appears But I never did understand why there weren't any parts of a plane to be seen ...but I also don't understand why pigs can't fly or I'm not rich yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 interesting... but the video leaves out a lot of facts... the pentagon is not just some building with a glass and mason facade... it's a freaking bomb shelter. It is one of the mose fortified and reinforced buildings in the world. those windows that didn't blow out, with frame weigh over a ton... they're blast resistant. damage done to rings D and C don't look bad from the outside... well yeah, that's what you would expect because all the damage was from the inside, there's nothing inside those rings that would explode after the initial impact causing them to rip apart. but if you look at the damage done, there's over 30 concrete columns that were vaporized another dozen that were severely damaged and several that had minor damage also, while the hole in the wall looks small in those cropped photos, keep in mind each side is the size of three football fields, the hole is actually very big. check out this site: http://www.spaceimaging.com/gallery/9-11/default.htm shows pics the day after the impact, look at the size of the fire damage.. no way a fighter or missile would cause fire damage of the size. the fire damage is 2/3rds the size of that size.. freaking 200 meters across... you're telling me that's not a lot of fire damage? some other sites to check out: http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/ - sim of the event in question http://perso.club-internet.fr/mouv4x8/11Se...%20aircraft.htm - tons of eye witness accounts, some contradictory, but lots more than presented in video http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dynamic/o....com/2002/03/14 - refutes the idea that it was a missile or other plane dressed up to look like a 757 http://www.usatoday.com/graphics/news/gra/...tagon/frame.htm -USA today article on subject at hand http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/09/10/36235.html - al qaeda freaking taking credit for the attacks this thing about the pentagon is quite old, what's next to drag up? the jews were behind it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingNor Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 (edited) when the plane ran into the building, it was ripped to shreds. the wings aren't going to rip off cleanly and sit on the ground outside the building. they were torn apart into tiny peices. look at thi image of the plane crash in that flash vid. if it wern't for the tail that plane is nothing but 2 foot by 1 foot chunks of nothing. and all the chuncks are inside the building. this isn't some movie where the plane is tough as nails and gonna go ripping through wall after wall intact, after the initial impact the plane was reduced to tiny bits. air liners arn't tough, they're designed to fly thorugh air, not crash through walls. have you looked into anything involving the guys who made that video. they think aliens did it. seems they think aliens did it. Edited August 25, 2004 by KingNor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingNor Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 aparently one of the guys who helped make this vid had this to say: Q: Did a Boeing 757, Flight 77, crash into the Pentagon?A: No. Q: What did produce the damage to the pentagon? A: It was very close to what you have surmised: a drone craft specially modified to give certain "impressions" to witnesses. Even the windows were not "real." Q: What happened to Flight 77? A: It was landed and now resides, in part, in fourth density. Q: What do you mean by that? A: As we have mentioned before, certain bases have this property due to direct interaction with denizens of that realm. Q: What about the passengers? What happened to the humans? A: Let us just say that the "human" part now resides at 5th density. Q: Did they kill them and use parts of them for DNA identification? A: "Parts" is the correct word. Q: (Guest comments) Oh! I was hoping they were still alive somewhere! A: Do you think that any of them could be "allowed" to survive? Q: When you say that the plane is now partly in 4th density, do you mean it was "taken" while aloft, as happened to the military jet over Lake Michigan some years back? It was "absorbed" by a UFO? [Case described in detail in Dolan's book.] A: It landed in the normal way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F360° Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 well, it could be friendly fire. They just input the wrong GPS numbers, you know like their location instead of the targets. They were probably trying to shot down the plane but instead shot the Building instead. It happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 aparently one of the guys who helped make this vid had this to say: Yep, I was just going to post that. Their argument kind of falls apart when you read that, doesn't it. Curiously, that sounds a bit like the rantings of Edo just before he got banned for the last time. Coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechamaniac Posted August 25, 2004 Author Share Posted August 25, 2004 LOL, what a loon! But hey, at least the link was good for a chuckle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandit29 Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Some more on this subject but more serious and nothing about aliens. kind of interesting http://www.911inplanesite.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhafabio Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 (edited) to all no airliner hit the pentagon beleivers, civilian average joes said they saw a large aircraft fly over the interstate and hit the building that day you know the type of people who only know if a plane is large or not and not the type. and those planes are designed to fly long and efficent at mid to high subsonic speeds and dot you think a terrorist would fly the plane at the fastest speed possable for his death run? that being the case there is no telling what a fragile plane would exactly do to a well built building like the pentagon i am more concerned that the black box recording were not released. Edited August 25, 2004 by buddhafabio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhafabio Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Some more on this subject but more serious and nothing about aliens. kind of interestinghttp://www.911inplanesite.com/ he dont even have large pictures of those grainy thumbnails???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 nothing about aliens. kind of interesting Aw...come on. You had to have liked that one picture with the "ufo" shooting the laser, crudely drawn in MS Paint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-19 Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 to all no airliner hit the pentagon beleivers, civilian average joes said they saw a large aircraft fly over the interstate and hit the building that day you know the type of people who only know if a plane is large or not and not the type. and those planes are designed to fly long and efficent at mid to high subsonic speeds and dot you think a terrorist would fly the plane at the fastest speed possable for his death run? that being the case there is no telling what a fragile plane would exactly do to a well built building like the pentagoni am more concerned that the black box recording were not released. Contrary to popular beliefs, black boxes aren't totally indestructable. The ones from the World Trade Center would have most likely been destroyed when the towers collapsed (assuming they remained in the towers, and didn't get blown clear like one of the engines). The one from the Pentagon, however, I'm unsure. It looks like it could have survived the impact, and possibly the collapse (assuming, again, it was inside the pentagon, not on the lawn). Frankly, there are many theories about this tragedy, some silly, some perfectly explainable. I've heard quite a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingNor Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 why is everyone so suprised nothing is on the lawn? the plane was moving forward at atleast a few hundred miles an hour, unless the explosion tossed a few random things backward, there is no reason for anything to be on the lawn. didn't any of you go to the link showing the pics of the plane wreckage on site? the guys who made that flash movie made it "wanting" to prove it wasn't a plane. so they arn't going to show you the pics that show edvidence of there being a plane there.... sigh... i guess i'll repost them for the people who won't look for themselves... brb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingNor Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 (edited) so anyway.. here is a plane that crashed, omg where are its wings? it must be a cover up!! notice how there is nothing (but the tail) that isn't anybigger than a few inches a cross, crashing DESTROYS planes. nothing left. and omg, there is no wreckage on the ground behind it!!! cover up!!! Edited August 25, 2004 by KingNor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingNor Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 and why isn't there even any small edvidence in that flash vid to show that a plane crashed into the building? surely they must have found at least SOME edvidenced.. well if your a loonly, you simply don't include the edvidence in your flash vid.. here are some pics ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingNor Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 finally some bits of the engine... remember.. this engine was fagile and desintigrated on impace, herere is probably the largest piece left of the engine.. weird how this didn't make it into the vid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingNor Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 i can't verify the validity of this image. but here it is.. showing the plane in relation to the physical impact damage on the building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingNor Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 i should credit the guys at http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1558416 for posting and hosting these images, and mechamechanic for linking to them originally.. no one seemd to see them so i felt i needed to repost. also i'd like to thank everyone for keeping politics out and focusing on the prooff/non-proof of the event, hopefully to keep this topic open and up for healthy debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 i can't verify the validity of this image. but here it is.. showing the plane in relation to the physical impact damage on the building. That looks about right. Besides, the link to the simulations that eugimon posted clearly shows how the wings literally disintigrate upon impact with the structural columns. Unless, that is, we're expected to believe that the 757 was built with Overtechnology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retracting Head Ter Ter Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 I thought the 500+ mph speed was for the 2 WTC planes. Was the Pentagon Plane supposed to have skimmed the ground at those speeds too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingNor Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 (edited) I thought the 500+ mph speed was for the 2 WTC planes. Was the Pentagon Plane supposed to have skimmed the ground at those speeds too? i have no idea, but if it was going fast enough to be in the air, it was going fast enough to itemize itself. i'm totally estimating here, but if they take off at 160 mph, and they cruize at 500, then to me, it seems they'd be flying around 200. fast enough to stay compfortably airborn, yet not so fast to make manuvoring difficult.. totally speculation tho. i doubt anyone can tell tho, there isn't exacly alot of knowlege on what collisions with the pentagon via 747 look like. unles there is a cop somewhere that got it on his radar Edited August 25, 2004 by KingNor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent ONE Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do not disturb Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 the air force shot down that plane before it reached the pentagon as far as i'm concerned....all conspiracy theories aside. i remember listening to the radio on 9/11 and the annoucer saying how the 4th plane was being escorted by fighters. next thing you know the plane crashed and they(media and gov't) never mentioned the fighters being in the air or escorting the plane. the radio station i was listening to also never mentioned it again throughout the day broadcast. then after it was all said and done, i remember they(gov't) claimed there was this guy that called his wife from the plane saying he was going to do something?!?! its a gov't cover up all the way, make one guy into a hero as opposed to admitting they shot down that plane. i understand they were in a lose lose situation and after the crashes into the WTC, what choice did they really have? i wish i recorded that broadcast but i was too f-ed up at the time to think of it. but i swear to you this shiet is not made up. i'm not sure if anyone else heard the broadcast but i know thats how it went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingNor Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 the air force shot down that plane before it reached the pentagon as far as i'm concerned....all conspiracy theories aside. i remember listening to the radio on 9/11 and the annoucer saying how the 4th plane was being escorted by fighters. next thing you know the plane crashed and they(media and gov't) never mentioned the fighters being in the air or escorting the plane. the radio station i was listening to also never mentioned it again throughout the day broadcast. then after it was all said and done, i remember they(gov't) claimed there was this guy that called his wife from the plane saying he was going to do something?!?! its a gov't cover up all the way, make one guy into a hero as opposed to admitting they shot down that plane. i understand they were in a lose lose situation and after the crashes into the WTC, what choice did they really have? i wish i recorded that broadcast but i was too f-ed up at the time to think of it. but i swear to you this shiet is not made up. i'm not sure if anyone else heard the broadcast but i know thats how it went down. or its possible that in all the confusion... and with fighters being scrambled to fly over NY, that the radiostation made a mistake... whats more likely: radio station makes error saying a liner was being escorted, and just never owns up to it when it turns out to be false. OR radiostation somehow knows whats going on in the skys indipendantly(with out radar or air traffic control devices, yet somehow they actually know whats up), then the government steps in, tells radiostation "no way, check this out, a guy is being a hero" then the government shoots down the plane and it just happends to crash into the pentagon, and there is a huge cover up spanning multiple layers of the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechamaniac Posted August 25, 2004 Author Share Posted August 25, 2004 also i'd like to thank everyone for keeping politics out and focusing on the prooff/non-proof of the event, hopefully to keep this topic open and up for healthy debate. Amen. I am about as right wing as they get, and never buy into these sorts of conspiracy theories, but the animation was interesting, and I thought at least since we are all a bunch of aviation buffs at some point, that we would get a kick out of it. Thanks for keeping it clean guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Focker Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Enough with the OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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