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  1. Master Dex
    Yeah, the joke is funny, but realistically the average lifespan for humanity must have gotten better. I mean genetic engineering is everywhere and we know Zentradi live longer so they could have reverse engineered how to apply that to humans as well. (Incidentally that is likely Millia's excuse in reply to the original question).
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    Fold quartz can communicate fold waves but that is the simplest thing they do. It is also the basis of the fold wave system. Basically when certain fold waves are picked up (like from singing cause that's a commodity now in Macross) the philosopher stone fold quartz can resonate and draw energy straight from super dimension space. In the VFs using this the design has that energy used for the rather costly weapons systems. This means when the fold wave system is active the engines are not required to supply as much power to weapons and can use more of their energy for other stuff, typically higher thrust. The reason fold waves from singing are often the most effective is because of the emotional component from the singer and what they are putting into it. Fold waves can transit emotional states as quantifiable energy it seems. It is possible other types of fold waves may work but we haven't seen that.
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    The movie version is a recut version that is, as one expects, only about 2 hours. It cuts a lot of scenes, reorders others, and adds a few but overall is more consistently paced and in my opinion better for it. The movie version however was not dubbed into English (I can't speak for other languages such as Italian). I'd recommend looking into it. As for the issues you have, well the entire Macross city was basically under Sharon's mind control at that point so no evacuation order was going to be issued likely. I'm not saying no one was hurt in that battle, but there is a good chance the lack of panic because no one was even aware there was a fight might actually have helped avoid casualties. I'll be honest I always thought they were in some nearby abandoned city area and not in Macross City itself but I cannot cite anything to prove that. It made sense to me because I knew Earth was not, even by that time, heavily re-developed and Macross City was for sure the biggest population area on the planet. That said of course any other city area would not likely be a pre-Space War 1 city because basically they were all glassed. I just assumed there was some unsaid detail about why there was an underpopulated area. If official sources say it was part of Macross City, it was, and we have to assume it is not impossible there was no collateral damage as far as people being hurt. As for the relationship between the three characters. It is clear to me.. that it is not simple to define. Real people don't have easily written relationships, and often don't act according to logical reasoning about how they feel. Even if Guld was a conscious abuser of Myung, which he wasn't, he didn't even realize what he was doing until he saw his reflection (and then likely stopped as he was so shocked he managed to block the memory of it happening), it is very common for victims to rationalize away such things and pretend it doesn't exist. It is likely too that Myung knew that Guld was not consciously responsible and purposefully avoided talking about it so that side of him never resurfaced as well. On Isamu's side, he simply lost all faith in Guld as a result of what he saw and did, and his reactions compounded with is nature caused Myung to be disappointed in him. She wanted to move on from it or pretend like it wasn't a problem but Isamu was angry and wouldn't leave it be, which created a wedge both between him and Guld, and between him and Myung. Guld blocking the memory of what he did meanwhile thus caused him to believe Isamu was in the wrong, and he simply hated him for that and anything Isamu did in response (whether explaining the truth or just reacting as Isamu usually does, because he isn't very prudent) would just be seen as excuses. The exacerbation of their fight, plus Myung not wanting to bring up the truth in fear of Guld and perhaps in fear of her own memory of the event as mentioned before means she couldn't change his mind or bridge the gap. So basically the problem between the three of them that makes things not so clear is that... it simply can't be clear. Psychology is hard enough to handle when you aren't throwing Zentradi rage into the mix. These kind of issues plague people every day and the fact it was so succinctly incorporated into an OVA story like this is actually as sign of good writing, not lazy writing. Everything I said is basically the tip of the iceberg in examining such a complex relationship. In short, it isn't a typical hollywood relationship that can be understood in one story, it is a realistic human relationship that would take many stories to properly understand (including covering details that Macross Plus did not even touch on). When discussing how Isamu guessed Guld was sacrificing himself in the end.. tone of voice really does answer it. If it was hard to get that in the Italian dub.. the fault may lie in the voice actors there (I can't be sure, haven't watched it that way, and I don't speak Italian). In the original Japanese it seems pretty clear the way Guld speaks that it is a last speech, and even in the English the VAs convey the sense (plus Isamu's English VA is Bryan Cranston so it is not like they had cheap talent, even if this was years before Walter White, lol). I'd suggest watching the movie version in Japanese with subtitles (english or Italian, I'm sure Italian subtitles exist somewhere for it) and see if that helps with that at all. But failing all of that, we can always fall back on the fact that when asked to sum up Macross Plus, Kawamori himself described it simple as thus: "It's a very serious story, with a very silly plot."
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    I can imagine the YF-29B Percival speaking in a faux Duke Devlin voice with the background music from Timberlake's "Sexy Back" playing in the background answering the question of how it differs from the Durandal with simply, "My design is totally different, my design... has a B in it."
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    Pretty much, and yeah, it is saddening there is no specific details on the YF-29B RB custom except that NUNS 'upgraded' it from the base design. Unfortunately we don't know exactly what is better about it. Since it was made for a NUNS special ops group though, it is certainly more killy than the original, lol.
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    They had to by NUNG law. Though decentralized, all development data is required to be shared among all the fleets, worlds, etc. Ironically considering the YF-29 came from Frontier, is that Frontier and Galaxy's private little cold war (turned hot by the end of the series) was all about them breaking this law by developing high tech based on pure fold quartz scavenged from the Vajra whilst also competing to find the Vajra home world so they could then go on to monopolize fold quartz. So after all that ended and the Federal NUNG learned what was going on, it is a safe bet Frontier and what was left of Galaxy had to give up everything anyway. The YF-29 is just part of that.
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    Fair suggestions, but speculation ultimately. I'd be willing to bet considering the wealth of information on other things that there is probably a reasoning behind this somewhere (after all, they bothered to go out of their way to say it has two engine types on it).
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    Yeah my first answer was before double checking it on M3.. but now I am not so sure. It really doesn't make sense for it to have conventional engines in it when it also has reaction engines, which can be throttled down so as not to produce too much thrust if that is the concern for the Cat's Eye. I am a little unsure why they would do this.
  9. Master Dex
    I doubt that is accurate, more likely they have reaction engines that are air breathing in atmosphere and pure reaction in space, which is exactly the same thing the VFs do. I suspect you misunderstood the meaning of air-breathing. It doesn't mean it is a conventional jet engine that using jet fuel but it means it literally takes in air and uses that for propulsion (via heating it to plasma with the thermonuclear fusion reactors in the engines). In space the reactors just push out direct plasma in large quantities instead since there is no air to use (which is massively inefficient and wasteful but the UNS/NUNS has a surplus on power generation capability, in other words "Screw the rules, we have power!") EDIT: Looking at M3, I can see why it is confusing, and perhaps possible I might even be wrong here. Welp... Seto?
  10. Master Dex
    Thank you for that, I honestly didn't know. That's what happens when you go by word of mouth however. Sadly.. that pretty much means that the writers just stopped giving a crap when they started writing the second cour. Or something happened anyway. I mean, it is definitely a difference in the second cour being less well managed than the first in any case. It is probably something that comes down to gritty details and we may never know entirely what happened.
  11. Master Dex
    It's not a bad show... but it suffers from a lack of foresight in writing because the plot was developed for 13 episodes and a movie... but then changed to 26 episodes.. so the plot for the movie that was to conclude the story had to be stretched into 13 episodes... and in many ways... they didn't stretch it very well. That all being said.. put together it has a lot of great stuff in it, and likely, being watched straight through without weekly pauses (aka on binge) likely will make it look better since you don't have to wait as much.
  12. Master Dex
    Well that's because the weaponry advanced the same as the armor. It's classic escalation, enemy has bronze armor, you get iron swords. They invent guns, you develope Kevlar. VFs have ECA which makes them nearly invulnerable to modern bullets and missiles but that isn't what they are firing. They're gunpods have anti-ECA rounds though designed to fight that. The missiles are stronger too, and beam weapons are of course a higher class. There is still danger despite ECA, it is just not the same danger as things face with modern technology.
  13. Master Dex
    Nah, modern day (as in modern for Frontier and Delta times) cost-benefit analyses have basically concluded that VFs are the better answer even if they are overall more expensive than any destroid. They are far more versatile and you get more use from one VF than you do from many destroids. Sure you can make them cheap, but when it comes down to it, in the Macross world, making VFs has become one of the primary industries of the NUNG, and they've gotten pretty damn good at it. Anyone relying on destroids anymore are basically people who can't afford VFs and they are lagging behind, and not doing as well comparatively.
  14. Master Dex
    So the VF that Basara sto- ahem... Purchases on credit (lol) in D7 is in fact inferior to his old one then. After all UN Spacey paid for the original as part of project M. Though, Basara likely wouldn't care as long as he can fly and sing.
  15. Master Dex
    I did of course know the difference of NUNG and NUNS, my misapplication of the terms in my post is down to merely not paying attention to how I wrote it. However I respect your drive Seto to make sure we are kept on our toes. Never worry, I like the nitpickers of the world, I'm a nitpicker too, lol. As for the rest, stuff I was not as well versed on, as usual, and just doing my best with my knowledge. Being the science lover I am, I enjoy being proven wrong in things. Makes debates less exciting with me but it also makes debates actually useful based on their intended purpose, lol.
  16. Master Dex
    NUNS is a decentralized government, so Frontier NUNS and Federal NUNS are not the same thing. Federal NUNS mostly refers to Earth and the big dogs in charge. They have the best of the best stuff, as they are the origin point of Humanity's emigration. Unlike the days of the UNS though, the decentralized NUNS means Earht does not have direct control over all the fleets anymore (like they did in Macross 7), and Frontier NUNS can do it's own thing with what fighters it uses and what political decisions it makes. Frontier is merely part of a larger organization that is centered on Earth, but no longer beholden to it outside some base Federal laws which are as far as can be seen a lot less restrictive that say American Federal laws are with respect to its States. Seto said it best, the NUNG setup is more like the European Union. This means you can have Frontier NUNS do entirely different thing than Earth/Federal NUNS, and the latter tends to have the best stuff just because they are the first and keep themselves on top. This is mostly done because humanity is just too damn big and widespread now for Earth to keep tabs on everyone all the time. As for monkey model, that is just a colloquialism Seto likes to use that means a model that is overall inferior to the original version, often by design. The idea is that Federal NUNS has a VF design they use, they export only the base design data to the emigrant fleets, such that those fleets can design their own fighters based on it, but will not be able to design the exact same one or one better unless they have some secret advantage (like Frontier did with fold quartz for the YF-29, even though it was too expensive to actually produce). Thus all emigrant fleet designs, even if based on the original specs, are monkey models basically because Earth doesn't want its kids to have more power than them if they can't directly control them (which they can't in the current NUNS setup, which is done because there is just too many fleets out there now to watch). For this reason, a VF-19 design made by Frontier will be less powerful than one made by Earth or Eden (Eden was using Federal specs since it was the old UNS then, plus Eden is likely still easily governed by Earth due to being close by). Similarly VF-25, 27, 30, 31... all of these are inherently not going to be as good as whatever the Federal NUNS made based on the original YF-24 design (which we speculate is the VF-24 but we don't know 100% for sure).
  17. Master Dex
    That actually makes a lot of sense. The Kairos uses the VF-25s engine, so it stands to reasons that when they decided to put the much more powerful engine the Chronos used in the Seigfrieds, they needed to lower the output for safety reasons if nothing else. It sounds like to me the traditional view of the higher the VF number the more advanced has been thoroughly debunked by the 5th generation VFs. From 24 to 31 all the main line fighters are basically on par (with exception of the 27 which is meant for cyborgs mostly), and a few stand out specialized prototypes/demonstrators that are not being mass produced as is. Plus the fact that the Federal spec on the YF/VF-24 is likely really nuts just tells us that we shouldn't expect a VF to be more powerful now just because it has a higher number. Really no one should, as the numbers are just a sequential production number indicating when it was produced.
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    Actually not in my tops. I like it ok, but not one of my favorites.
  19. Master Dex
    Someone said it before, but they really are leaning on Giraffe Blues to be the Diamond Crevasse of this show. Now... I really like Giraffe Blues, it is a wonderful song... but it still pales in comparison to Diamond Crevasse, which still hits me in the feels every time. That being said, there are like 5 different versions of Diamond Crevasse across Frontier's albums.. so having this many versions of Giraffe Blues is not that unprecedented, even if it is a bit unnecessary. Besides... they all are just trying to copy the many releases and versions of Planet Dance, lol. (Totsugeki Love Heart gets a lot too, but that song is awesome enough that it's always welcome).
  20. Master Dex
    Well if anything Delta deserves the award for mecha design. That is definitely one of the (few) highlights of the show.
  21. Master Dex
    That bugs me too, because Frontier skated back and forth on it. Sheryl had the wetsuit style holosuit in the beginning, but later on and in the movies the holographic outfits just formed over real clothes like you said and it always bugged me. Internal consistency is not that hard but they don't seem to want to go with it. Maybe projecting outfits over real clothes requires external projectors (and an on-file body mapping of the person in order to project things... correctly), but the suits can project directly and are more mobile? Doesn't really explain why Sheryl needed one in the Frontier show though as she was on stage. In the movie version it seemed she was wearing a real outfit more than a holosuit as well (her cowgirl outfit may have been the real one there since she continued in it during the attack, with the universal bunny outfits just having been projected on that beforehand... that or the suit's holographics are really sturdy).
  22. Master Dex
    Could always scan ever page I suppose.
  23. Master Dex
    Oh but that is far less entertaining than the pages of discussion once devoted to the size of hands, lol. (that wasn't necessarily about Macross but still).
  24. Master Dex
    I think you got turned around, Seto hasn't been implying any of that. It sounds more like to me that you two are no longer having the same conversation. Seto and I never left the topic about how the YF-30 and the VF-31 have the same engine but with different tuning. We got into some details and examples that might explain why but overall we both have basically admitted there is no stated reason yet and we are just ok with accepting it as it is. You seem to have gone off into some sub-topic based on some of the examples that as far as I can tell Seto isn't even focused on. I know I've kinda moved on from the subject already, I suspect he has as well. There really isn't much more to cover in that topic anymore, the facts are still what they are originally reported as being. I suggest we let it be now, and at worst, agree to disagree.
  25. Master Dex
    I too would love more stats for the Percival. As it happens, the YF-29B and the YF-30 have quickly become two of my favorite valks and I have barely played any of the game (last I could play, I was still in VF-0s, lol). I do own the DX figures of both now though, and very much enjoy them. As such it is sad that the only data I have to go on about one of them is the base YF-29 data which may not be entirely accurate. This is especially annoying since the YF-30 does have such data, but I guess since it was brand new in the game that was necessary.
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