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Master Dex replied to azrael's topic in Movies and TV Series
True, not like they are hurting for production facilities or capability. Macross 7 fleet could build a whole new Battle 7 in about a year, and they seemed to never run out of VF-11s despite them getting blown up so much the stock footage started making sense. We know not all the pilots could handle 17s and 19s so that is why 7 didn't produce them en masse probably (like you said, the 19 was hard to fly basically for the average pilot). But in Frontier, the 25 was going to be the main line fighter... and it was something average pilots could use with basic training (I mean.. Alto figured it out and he was just a flight student, and Hayate got the hang of a 31 despite having no flight experience). Frontier is also way more massive and built up than 7, so... they could afford to make a bunch of VF-25As at least to give to the NUNS forces. At least you could argue the various Brisingr worlds might not be able to afford churning out VF-31s on their own right away... since they seemed a bit less capable somehow. -
Macross Δ (Delta) Mecha/Technology Thread - READ 1st POST
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Good points, no argument here. I certainly do remember the NUNS kicking some ass here and there, such as the ever popular Machida punch in Frontier (which I consider the spiritual successor to 'Gamlin Kick!' lol). But like you note, there is too much focus on PMCs and in reality PMCs are not that great really (which makes Xaos somewhat more realistic than SMS, heh). SDFM had only its main forces so of course they were the heroes so really the best comparison is Macross 7 where the military was both heroes and punching bags. You had some real pros and aces with Diamond Force and Emerald Force, not to mention sometimes Max and Milia got in there, plus it was made clear the first time Battle 7 transforms and fires its cannon, at 80% charge, that it can still wipe out most of an attacking fleet with ease. Really the only reason they seemed to be doing bad is because the VF-11Cs were being held together by string apparently. However they were an older model, much like the VF-171 in the later shows, so I guess it is kind of the same thing. Those VF-11 pilots aren't incompetent, they just can't match the Varuta fighters (which as far as I can gather, despite being based on the Gen 3 VF-14, are upgraded beyond that level somehow). Luckily the military also had more limited stock of VF-17Ds, VF-19s, and a few VF-22s. Not even mentioning Sound Force because they didn't really fight of course. So if anything, the problem with NUNS representation is that they've given up all of their good stuff to local PMCs just to save money on testing and maybe skirt some safety regulations, heh. My only guess why they didn't repo the VF-25s was because of the contract clause where SMS was basically rolled into NUNS command once the war started. So even though NUNS pilots weren't using them, they still had control over their deployment (while still legally being able to ignore casualties, heh). -
Macross Δ (Delta) Mecha/Technology Thread - READ 1st POST
Master Dex replied to azrael's topic in Movies and TV Series
Was reading up on this recently about how the Battle class ships are actually 6 ships put together (including the cannon) and can all separate and operate independently. That is a really cool detail... except we've never seen it done. It seems almost an afterthought, and except for the cannon it isn't really obvious. I wonder why decide that if nothing is ever going to be shown of it. This kind of leads me back to the thought that I want a next series or OVA to be once again more focused on the NUNS (colony or Federal, but I'd love to see the modern day Federal forces) where they aren't just the low skilled screw ups the past two shows have implied them to be (or, conversely, all evil and corrupt). I get Kawamori seems to have developed a love affair with PMCs because it is easier for him to the kind of hero characters he wants there than in a proper military organization... but I still want better representation on that side. -
It might be though, we know he is an avid surfer.
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I want to go for Messer's if only for the color and the head.. I wanted Keith but my internet went out the day of the PO. On the other hand.. eventually the 31A will happen... that realistic color scheme looks soooo good on it... and I like the YF-30 style delta wings more (though I do have a YF-30 at least).
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Macross Δ (Delta) Mecha/Technology Thread - READ 1st POST
Master Dex replied to azrael's topic in Movies and TV Series
Oh of course not, I never meant to imply Kawamori developed the idea of that at all. I'm a hardcore Trekkie too, but the idea of any inertial damping, cancelling, or buffering is definitely way older than even that. All I was saying is that the specific term ISC likely started with Frontier, and certainly wasn't in Gundam first. -
We've never seen it transform, nor is there any art for it that I am aware of, but the name was given in background materials for the Sv-262 (either in the model kits or on the blu-rays).
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Macross Δ (Delta) Mecha/Technology Thread - READ 1st POST
Master Dex replied to azrael's topic in Movies and TV Series
While amusing it is worth noting the ISC first appeared in Macross Frontier, which aired in 2008. IBO first aired in 2015. So unless the ISC has a mention in any older Gundam shows, especially any predating Frontier, it is more like they got the idea from Kawamori, heh. -
You know the 104 as you refer to it has an actual in-universe designation now right? It's the Sv-154.
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Macross Δ (Delta) Mecha/Technology Thread - READ 1st POST
Master Dex replied to azrael's topic in Movies and TV Series
I wouldn't go that far even. The VF-25 isn't the poster child of the 5th generation of VFs, it is just the poster child for Frontier fleet's 5th generation VFs. Generation 5 VFs all stem from one design, the YF-24. Also, all emigrant fleet designs are based on a reduced spec version of the 24 design (aka monkey model). This is because the Federal NUNS version of the YF-24, and as we often speculate the VF-24 as a result, is way higher spec. It can be estimated that the YF-29 is the only emigrant fleet design that might get close to matching the Federal YF/VF-24 specs, except that the YF-29 is way to expensive to produce (whereas Federal NUNS has nearly unlimited resources). So if anything, the YF-29 is one of the most representative VFs of the 5th Generation. That being said, specs and power aren't necessarily what make a generation. A lot of it also has to do with design methodology, mission parameters, and perhaps more importantly when the design was created. In many ways the levels of progress are steady and marking designs by generation is just an arbitrary thing people like to do to classify them. YF-24 was seen as a new generation due to having quite a fair bit of capability and versatility beyond the mascots of the 4th generation (the VF-19 and 22), but really it is because it was developed later with newer ideas, technology, needs, and knowledge learned from the former designs. To give another perspective on that, the VF-171 is a newer and more recent design than the VF-19, but both are Gen 4, and no one would say the VF-171 is as good or better than the 19. It exists because it is more versatile and less expensive than the 19, which is what was needed at the time. It also uses more modern technology than the VF-17 used (which itself was originally a Gen 3 design, but the 17D is often considered on par with Gen 4) which is what makes it a Gen 4. Similarly, to the original point, that kind of thing is why the YF-29 and VF-25 are definitively both Generation 5. -
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Master Dex replied to azrael's topic in Movies and TV Series
YF-29 is still 5th generation btw, as it is descended from the YF-24 design. There is no in-universe 6th generation VF yet. -
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Master Dex replied to azrael's topic in Movies and TV Series
I know the stats say that but on M3 you and March admit it might be a mistake and bothered to call it out. I mean look at it, it has the same hip pieces as the 25. The mold looks like it has the guns too. It seems silly to assume that isn't supposed to be there and that the head guns are projectile in contravention to every other design. I prefer to assume it has the weapons as the 25 does personally. -
If the stabilizers are removable, I haven't tried it, so I am not entirely sure. They look like they could be though. The ordinance container can indeed be detached from the arm. The only real use for this is that it might help in transformation (though it doesn't really get in the way either).
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Master Dex replied to azrael's topic in Movies and TV Series
Such a thing is probably inevitable, but likely not before Shinsei or another NUNS funded company has already made something better, or invented the 6th generation fighter or something. Federal NUNS at least is going to stay well ahead of anything for sure. -
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Master Dex replied to azrael's topic in Movies and TV Series
The YF-29 also has head cannons in addition to the hip cannons you mentioned, it's gunpod is likely more powerful than the Drakken's is, has a ka-bar in addition to the bayonet, and it's turret is optimized to fire MDE rounds. Counting the Lil Drakkens though is like counting super parts though. To wit, you did mention the YF-29 super parts which basically are just extra missile and fuel containers since it already has the 4 engines. So I'll give you that. Either way, the 29 has more on the subject of weapons though. EDIT: I realized after posting I mentioned the bayonet, which is only applicable to the YF-29B. I typically think of that one though because I own the DX and prefer it to the Alto or other versions. I know the others don't have a bayonet though. The rest of what I said is still valid however. -
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Master Dex replied to azrael's topic in Movies and TV Series
Well yeah, but I was going for a simpler answer. I felt it went without saying that YF-29 having 4 engines meant its overall output beat the Sv-262. I didn't mention the YF-30 simply because it was not mentioned in the original question, but true enough that it too is of equal footing with the YF-29 (despite only having two engines) and likely better than the Sv-262. Of course, and this should have been stated before too, engine performance isn't all that matters, just an important part. Armament, maneuverability, defensive systems, etc are all important as well. YF-29 still takes a lot of advantage here over the Sv-262 I think (especially in armament, lol). Sv-262 is no slouch though. -
Well I was going to join in pre-order madness for this but... it was at 11:30am my time and normally I'd have wifi at work I could use to do this.. but of course today or all days the wifi was not working properly and I couldn't load any web pages. I probably wouldn't have gotten it anyway.. but now I'll never know.
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Master Dex replied to azrael's topic in Movies and TV Series
In order, from what I know: I highly doubt it tops the YF-29 since the latter has more engines and was purposefully over designed. Plus it has a fold wave system which is better than the 262s reheat system I'd bet. The 262 is better in that it doesn't break the bank to produce en masse. I doubt it is the strongest, even if it matched the 29, I bet it doesn't match a federal YF/VF-24 which has undisclosed stats believed to be way higher than other 5th gen VFs. It can fold by using a fold booster, riding with a ship or traveling through a fold gate produced by Sigur Valens as seen in the show. It does not have any form of fold drive of its own. -
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Master Dex replied to azrael's topic in Movies and TV Series
Yes they can. I own the DX YF-29B which is essentially the same mold so the others except for head sculpt, color, and gunpod differences. The outboard engines can do full 360 degree rotations. -
I could do this at work... I've never done preorder madness though... not sure.. but... can't hurt to try maybe. Will I be brave enough? Stay tuned and find out! (I won't cry if I fail though I think)
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Considering Mirage's age, the flashback of her playing in Millia's VF-9 likely takes place around or slightly before the time frame of Macross Frontier. Since that bird was last used in the 2020s or so (whenever Macross M3 takes place), Jenius Air could be a museum or refurbishment business for aircraft. I suspect that Mirage being there could imply that it is owned and operated by Miranda Jenius (Mirage's canon mother). Miranda is one of the sisters we know nothing about save the fact that she is Mirage's mother. It is also possible the flashback indicated a family visit too, for all we know Jenius Air could be a location on Macross 7, but I got the feeling it was on a planet (though who knows if 7 finally settled somewhere or not). I'd love to see an OVA dedicated to the greater Jenius family. There is so much potential for all those characters. Even Komillia is underdeveloped, we last saw her on screen as a baby after all! (I know she has some stories in the alternate MacII universe, but I am speaking from a Kawamori-verse angle). Just imagine what story content we could get from her, Theresa, Miracle, more info on Miranda, even more detail on Emilia (how is her singing career going anyway?). Pretty much the only one we don't need more info on is Mylene but even after almost 30 years there could be some interesting details there (finally married Gamlin or not?). I didn't even mention all of them there even! Plus... all the VFs and all the flying you could do with a Jenius-centric story line.. such VF-bait.
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It is likely matte, the YF-30 was matte as well, but honestly looked better for it. Felt more like it could be a real aircraft to me. The gloss on the Frontier Valks is nice though, but it also makes them seem less real. I also just kinda realized though, the CGI in Frontier did make all of the mechs seem shiny like that, but in Delta I don't get as much of a shiny vibe from all the VFs.. I think that is intentional, maybe a result if the advances in animation in the 8 years since Frontier first aired.
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Master Dex replied to azrael's topic in Movies and TV Series
But he wasn't equipped with the sniper rifle, Klan threw it to him during the fight. -
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Yeah I'm a Max fanboy and I pretty much watched the show originally for him. I happened to become a Fire Bomber (and Fukuyama in general) fan as a result of it. I don't hate on Basara too much, I kind of like him... but Seto is also not wrong, he's kind of a dick and wants everyone to see things his way and won't view any situation objectively. I tend to admire characters that are generally disliked but have their reasons. Basara doesn't necessarily deserve to be vindicated as much as he is, but at the same time he also managed to succeed in his quest to get the enemy to listen through his music. You'd think this would go to his head but Basara seems to mellow out a bit after that and in Dynamite 7, while he is definitely still Basara, he seems somehow calmer to me (while still being dickishly pushy on his position and then proven right despite his attitude). Then again, he also proceeds to steal borrow a VF at the end of that, lol. Not an easy character to defend, heheh.
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