Protoculture

That would be Rick Hunter. In order to rope in the existing fanbase (unfortunately shrinking) who're familiar with the classic Robotech, its a given. But in regards of Yune ultimate objective (or his sinister planning) of making sure Macross aesthetics get buried for good in future RT animated sequels, that is laudable. Whether RTSC is a steaming pile of garbage or someone's else liking, it did pretty good job in de-Macross-ised any Macross elements. The only thing if rebooted RT still relies on Macross elements would be shoe-horning Macross sequels into RT, which is HIGHLY IMPOSSIBLE.

Yeah, the 'Rick Hunter' factor. Prelude runs on nostalgia, & quickly killed off any characters that has sentimental or nostalgic value like Lang, Breetai, Exedore ... making others conveniently disappear like Lisa, Max & Miriya. Prelude served its purpose to disengaged Macross sentimentalities while moving to a new incarnation of Mospeada ... uhh RTSC. RTSC killed off the term Zentraedi from RT vocabulary there on. Not to mention, a certain convenient of making sure protoculture supplies running dry in that movie as its main storyline & retconning the new official RT RPG: Macross by making VF-1 / Destroids (Macross Saga) & 2nd generation Veritechs / Battloids (Southern Cross) no longer running on protoculture but now running on SLMH (hydrogen fuel) kinda feel like somebody trying to change Macross aesthetics to Mospeada-ised RT in the long run.

But will RTLAM be a new Macross? BW hold all the aces in regards to original SDFM designs. My bet, if RTLAM ever get made, it'd have very, very little of Macross aesthetics. Kinda like how GC Mospeada took SDFM Valkyrie inspirations for its Legios. Sure we gonna have a transforming fighters but no VF-1 clones, instead in high probability would be some stealth inspired new fighter designs. There will be no Hikaru Ichijo or Misa or any SDFM casts apart from the Robotech ones that ultimately will be posed by some Hollywood actors. Robotech's new coat of pain? Why not? If it served the purpose of distancing RT franchise from Macross, that is sure to be good news for Macross in general.

What's wrong with that? Over time, RT fans will veered towards Macross & conversion process is imminent. We of all people knew that. In fact, majority of MWers started their Macross journey as a Robotech fan & on their way discovered the pure, undiluted version of the real thing. Only a few lucky ones that started off their Macross journey with SDFM route (like me) without having to suffer the 'hack-job' firsthand.

Since I am able to enjoy both Macross & Robotech without any residual hangups, perhaps I could share my perspective as a Robotech fan. Why do I like about Robotech? It actually brings back my love to the original series of SDFM Macross & GC Mospeada (which I watched in mid 1980s before RT was aired in early 1990s in my country). Apart from that, RT encouraged me to actually learn English (it ain't my native language) in my teenage years as I begun collecting RT novels in intervening years. RT represents tp me what I would termed serious sci-fi, especially in an animation, as compared to kiddified Western animation & sissified animes that were available at the time in my country. I myself drawn to RT because its far more 'matured' / 'adult' themed & storyline, as per generational periods of its three arcs. Not that RT actually can be compared to Starwars or Star Trek, but as a sci-fi entity, it does held its ground. Even if I limited myself to the 85 eps of RT (hardcore RT Purist), I can still expected to explore the RT-verse (yeah, despite plotholes & such) either in terms of tech evolution, socio-politico implications, character motivations etc. Even the McKinney RT novelizations nicely filled out the blanks that the original 85 eps didn't cover, though the Sentinel series is practically went downhill for me. The early & mid years of Internet RT fandom pre RT.com caused new influx of RT fans eager to share, argue & debate about every aspects of RT they represented either the hardcore Purists (who relied on 85 RT eps + OSM), the vocal McKinniyist (who insisted novelisation as canon as the original animation), the RPGers (who're most never watched RT but actually enjoyed exploring RT-verse in their RPG gaming), Universalist (who can enjoy RT in equal measure) & the majority of casual (more probably ignorant) RT fans. Of course RT has it flaws, that was obvious from the hack-job it made of, but its storyline that humanity had to fight multi-generational galactic war @ their doorstep for a unique power source kinda jived a logical sense to me than say ..... a franchise that begin with a bang with solid storyline & a good movie adaptation but having an intergalactic war stopped by a little human idol .... veered towards a mediocre imitation of the same movie adaptation but somewhat entertaining, then ditched in favor of a cleverly disguised Top-Gun inspired movie cloaked with transforming mecha, then ventured to a narcissitic tree-hugging guitar playing hubbub piloting vs space vampies, to a prequel that obviously tree-hugging & made some rocks floated, but redeemed itself with obvious ogling of new generation post-loli idols & ex-kabuki actor angst. Actually, I do prefer RT storyline as compared to Macross. But unlike Macross, RT do not progressed beyond its original 85 eps with that RTSC, & that is a severe hamper to those like me who enjoy RT for its story progression. As for Macross, I watched & enjoyed original SDFM & DYRL to the fullest, & fulfilled with Flashback 2012, mere satisfied with Mac II, but enjoyed Mac Plus more. But recent Mac incarnation like Mac 7 & Mac F, I kinda watching it only to satisfy my juvenile longing without any high expectations at all. As for Zero ... I watched that because Focker was in it. Atleast, Macross franchise progressed forward, despite hits & misses. Macross franchise catered to new generation of fans from 1980s, 1990s & now early 2000s, something that RT franchise have not being able to do except re-introducing recycled RT animation to new market & garnered legions of new fans in China. But again, RT is limited to original 85 eps & RTSC .... that's it. Rebooted RT .... I don't put too much hope into that. Fat chance in hell apart from retconning the official canon timeline. Not that I have a dim view of RT future, but strictly speaking, I kinda see future RT animation will be in the vein of Mospeada II. Not that I'd complain (as I'll be getting my Mospeada fix), but atleast RT do not need to stand on Macross anymore. I applaud Yune to actually retcon future RT projects bereft of Macross elements like RTSC, & that is a good thing eventhough the result is less than stellar.

Ahh well, before even you get the boot, Jasonc, I kinda remember others like Darkwater, RTsurfer amongst others who contributed a whole lot more to RT fandom & even RT.com as compared to MEMO & his ignorant ilks. Atleast most hardcore RT fans actually do their research with OSM & knew RT origins as compared to half-arsed ignoramus RT masses that willingly lap up any BS sspewed by a chosen equally ignorant elite who didn't know any better. Eversince the most influential & knowledgable RT members get booted out over the years either of disagreeing with TPTB or because they sounded too Macross-sey, that is the moment I lose interest in RT.com.

Thank you, dear sir, for bringing this personal aspect of Lynn Minmay to English speaking masses. Your effort are not in vain. Thank you again for sharing Lynn Minmay with us.

That is the more pure blatant Macross homage in an anime, dear sir, a pure win, eversince the SDC Orguss animators blatantly put Minmay & bridge bunnies plus nekkid Misa & a crate containing VF-1J in Orguss back in 1980s.

I'm a Macross addict since I: - Actually visited MW more than RT.com for the past few years. - Cared more about Macross with atleast 2 marathon viewing a year as compared to RT (yeah, once a year). - Going nutty over SDFM's, DYRL's, FB 2012's Lynn Minmay depictions - Actually liked Macross II & LOVED Macross 7 .... BOMBAAAAAAA! (that should count, right?)

If only I could be there for Iijima's Minmay (for pure nostalgic reasons) & Fukuyama's Basara (for purely FIREY BOMBING coolness!) Yer lucky bastards ...

Now that is what I would call the Super Dimensional Gerwalk! Hell yeah!

Huh? Over the years, even before I get burnout on RT.com thingies, once a while I do posted direct links to MW without any harrassment by the TPTB. Guess I did flew below the radar than you, Seto, coz you, well, a big RED MARK over there.

Huh? Over the years, even before I get burnout on RT.com thingies, once a while I do posted direct links to MW without any harrassment by the TPTB. Guess I did flew below the radar than you, Seto, coz you, well, a big RED MARK over there.

Do I actually cared that RT.com being a small internet fiefdom ruled by tyrannical selfish regime in the interest of good ole USA capitalism? To think of it, I don't give a fart apart from posting & updating my RT fanfics once a while, since the entertainment value of RT.com has dropped pretty sharply there (eversince Seto was permabanned for good) ... not having my usual fixations in reading posts by ignorant RT.commers get whacked by knowledgable RT fans / Macross purists. What more can you say about a CORPORATE site that being run on the base of a dying franchise? Its their turf, you ain't agreeing with them, you get the boot ... pretty plain & simple logic. Don't argue otherwise, cause all the complains sounded like a porno soundtrack to their bloody ears. I can be both a Macross purist & Robotech afficianado without any residual hangups. Most people tend to do so, moreso the casual anime / animated series fans. As one matured, fixation remains that, nostalgic & wanting better things or simply moved on with real life. I choose moving on with real life, once a while revisiting Macross & RT to get my fixations for the loved of both series, & enjoy better even bigger things like, well, Gundam ... Nuff said. If one get permabanned from RT.com, there's still myriad RT fansites or even forums (insignificant in grand scheme of things) available or dropped by to MW by way of this thread to spew with all heart's content. That's a fairly balanced deal to think of it .......

RDF Underground is more fanbase, but SSL is pro-HG.

WHAT? ONLY 3 OUTTA 5? Harghhh, & you dare calling yerself a dedicated RT fan? Now, did you skipped the RT revered Bible that is EOTC & the REAL testament that is being revised into movie format that is RTSC? You're condemned to the purgatory of everlasting dead-end corner of hell in Newspace forever Re-Shaping EOTC for eternity!!!!

Watching Flashback 2012 AFTER going through a marathon of SDFM & DYRL makes you nostalgic, but seeing they rode out to the sunset .... kinda feels of finality of good ol' Macross there. Given I'm a self professed Minmay fanboy, I do rewatched Flashback from time to time ... & upon seeing the Minmay locket in Bilrer's hand in MacF, aw heck ... there's certain final memento that Minmay will not be revisited. But thank goodness, Haruhiko 'Hal' Mikimoto is revisting, retconning the SDFM universe with Macross the First. His revised version of his muse is simply HAWTTT!

Why not? Marked for future banning? Not that I cared anyway. By far, my RT fanfics more or less stay @ home at Palladium board. I do updated my fanfics once in a blue moon in RT.com - posted on its RT RPG subforum - rather than submitting my fanfics in their fanfic section.

Holy crap! Hell, that gonna be instant new desktop decoration replacing Sheryl's yaoi wallpaper on my PC!

Just watched the said movie ... it does suck ... But as I said earlier, I watched it because Jeon-Ji Hyun finally shake off her standard Korean fare of demure, spunky or ghostly Korean typecast roles she's famous off. Glad to see she kicks butt in the movie. Although I did switch off my brain when watching the movie ....

Must ..... resist ..... the urge to ..... argghhh .... BOMBAA!! Awwww hell ....

Not that I really cared regarding ST-verse. Heck, Gundam UC One Year War had more action compared to entire ST universe ....

Waitaminute ..... mobile suits ..... better dream on, cause Mobile Suits only parked near Earth orbitals vicinity .... not even extra-Sol system or intergalactic travels. The last time we've live action Mobile Suit, it was a travesty ...

Hell yeah! That's how ST supposed to be, instead being pacifist-tree-hugging next gen hippies by the time of ST:TNG! No wonder I skipped ALL ST movies with ST:TNG casts, except for that ST: Nemesis ... but still left much to be desired. Not much blasting outta craps going on ...

Yeah, Treiz a klutz! But then again, the reason why I kept coming back to RT.com (as a lurker, rarely posted, if any) is simply to see Seto & Blackrose whacked the RT masses outta their ignorant brains ... Damn, that was fun ... ( I wonder why I keep getting cynical these days) ...