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I think I can relate to Hikaru the most. First let me describe who I think he is: -He is kind of naive in the story. (he joins unspacy when minmay compares Roy to himself and appeals to his ego - indication of a person who is easy to manipulate) -He can be selfish and single minded. (he loves his flying and his planes and it pretty much means everything to him. While I don't necesarily put that much attention to planes I can think of some of my hobbies that I put that much devotion attention to) -He is open-minded and willing to give chances (max was able to ask him to aprove of he marriage with milia even though "she is the enemy") -He can be irresponsible (totally absorbed in himself like when he fly's dangerously which risks attracting the enemy, or when he is assigned to check on the 3 spies and watches the beauty contest instead. I would react the exact same way and not given in to misa's bitchiness- and she WAS a bitch, not just because it was her duty to give orders.) -indecisive. Sometimes you can't always have what you want. But be careful what you want, you just might get it and not like it after all. Throughout the tv series he is constantly trying to reason why he fights or whether he even wants an intimate relationship with minmay who is too absorbed in Kaifun and her career. This is kind of like me: I'm always wondering if the grass is greener on the other side and have doubts. If people are too happy (minmay was way too suddenly happy after being rescued from being stranded under the SDF1 for 2 weeks) then I can find reasons to worry. I don't like people who are so fickle like that, because how can you tell if they are really serious toward you, or only behaving and living 'in the moment'? -originally he is antiwar and doesn't care for the military. Cynical at first but, willing to change, mature and accept what is coming to save people despite not agreeing with those in charge. (yet able to be vocal about how he feels about a decision rather than say gamlin, who is a too into his work to even think for himself early on.) I believe that doing what is right and following orders are nto always going to be the same thing. Also standing up for your beliefs (at least debating with reasons to people who disagree with your view) is important. You can't just fold your arms and hold your head up in snobbish fashion like basara. It's no wonder so many left his band and firebomber got stuck with the pink haired chic. He totally lacks communication skill and comes off as an a-hole to anyone that meets him. Basically I can relate to all these qualities based on the above. The character came off not as the typical daredevil archetype but someone you could easily relate to. (unlike Dyson who to me just didn't seemed scared of death. Everyone is scared of something.) He wasn't that hero type, just an average person like Luke Skywalker before he developed his uber jedi skills. (I suppose Roy would be closer to Han Solo in that respect.)

I would recommend anyone to watch the fansubs at least and then judge it rather than paying money. (see all of it, then talk) The main concern was the monster of the week thing and people not liking the design. Which is subject to opinion. And opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one but nobody wants to smell yours. Personally I thought that SDF:macross was the heart and soul of what macross is about, while the stuff in macross 7 almost felt like filler material that made the reason we watch robot shows take a backseat. I still believe this content could have been grafted onto the original SDF:macross storyline. Especially the aspect of exploring ruins to find out the origins of PC and Zentradi. But they felt they had to stretch it to a new series and new characters with 7 which was a mistake. They probably did that on purpose to make us think about characters more than exciting battles and fights to be different. I personally felt that the side effect of this was that the fine balance was upset because basara's music is the focus and you just can't connect to him early on. I just felt the story was not aimed at the typical sci-geek in all of us and music (not culture overall) seemed to be the whole focus this time. The characters in SDF macross were far more easy to connect with and interesting than the macross 7 ones imo. The characters in 7 were more 'filler' and less crucial to the main story. The idea of spiritua magically healing, affecting mindcontrolled zombies, and waking them up, rather than having them emotionally be affected by it spoiled it for me too. It almost makes those who can sing almost like super heroes. Like the Protodevlin were invincible to any weapon but 100% allergic to music just seemed a little far fetched. In sdf:macross music didn't have nearly that much affect and after a time, characters like kamjin got used to its effects giving at least a bit of believability to the story. Culture itself (along with music) was what made Zentradi stop fighting but in macross 7 ONLY basara the hero of the galaxy could save us. When you take only the music aspect THAT seriously you ruin the realism of the original imo.

Roy then Hikaru. There's something special about Roy's because Roy's is the very first test valk in the tv series wasn't it? (could be wrong though) So you could say his is not just more recognised but more iconic whereas Hikaru's 1S is a new plane altogether (since in the movie roy's blew up) so it's not "as special". I think yamato should release the tv 1s w fastpack like they did with milia and max, since to me the special thing about it is that both Roy and Hikaru use it and it never totally gets destroyed. Again it's got that something special about it for being iconic. (being the same plane since the first episode without blowing up, having the most appearances, looking the best, possibly having stuff in it customised etc)

I'd even buy a fp yf19 in 1/72 with mods to joints like that pic. I still haven't got the earlier 1/72 releases. Somebody should go to all the toy forums and start a poll and link to a petition for a toy company to make this. I'm sure there are more than a few people who don't come to macrossworld but are familiar with the yf19 enough to want to pay to get a toy based on the anime. The OVA was a successful series in not just japan right? More people would buy this than the vb6 monster imo since it is at least familiar to them. If people would preorder and put thier money where thier mouth is, that would be a good indicator for real demand rather than whining about it to the already converted. If yamato's license expired and enough demand is there, maybe this will attract attention from another toy company to take it on?

So when's macross III coming? I actually liked II because of the music. If they already have this 'alternative universe' thing going, they may as well milk it as a seperate franchise imo and see how it goes. It can't hurt can it?

IF they could just make this into a 1/72 toy I'd give them my money. Fans all need to email them and demand stuff so they know where the money will be. But by the time that happens we will all be too old to remember what macross was, or too close to death to hand them our money. Seriously I wish they could finish what they started: Instant riches for them from everyone if they put the release of vf19fp at top priority. As an example, even non-macross fanboys; casual fans who've seen macross plus and recognise it, would buy this imo. It's not all just our selfish needs and wishes that need fullfilling, but a mass majority who geniunely would fork out the money (through preorders?) if they would know about what was going to be released and when. (so they can plan thier purchases better) If many people say they are eager to see a certain something get done, usually they are not lying. People just don't like to be cockteased is all.

treatment: ..also cover ups of evidence? http://www.themarsrecords.com/mars_red_planet_colors.html http://www.rense.com/general48/NASAA.HTM http://www.enterprisemission.com/

haha. Here's an idea: we would undergo a strange process of mutation and spit out mutant chicken eggs and the young would hatch from them. Sara and shin would transform into literal birdpeople and kids would hatch from the eggs, mate with native animals on other planets creating crossbreeds and over time lose thier useless abilities to adapt to the environment they were in. jk I was only throwing my crazy ideas out there to keep the discussion going. I still think the zentradi micronisation process is kinda mysterious and wierd. Like where do the memories of the person go for example? The PC were master geneticists and probably became the gods of many other cultures and possibly played god with many native animals on alien planets to evolve them quickly. Given that they must have had scientists of some sort, they would have records of the things they did. If humans and aliens can mate to create human/alien hybrids, then maybe shin and sara were transported to an ancient PC lab which is like the Ark that holds all the various species of alien the pc were studying before thier inevitable fall? (I say "Ark" as in they might have 1 type of every alien animal for another generation to play with, if thier destructive ways get out of hand similar to the reason for noah needing to build one to preserve earth's animals before god flooded the world?) Anyway the information from all this in the lab, allows Shin and Sara to carry on the work and not only would they have samples of alien dna, but hybrids of one type of alien with another type of alien. Using thier own bodies, combing it with these aliens to create hybrid mutants, allowing a long time for the diseases to spread, they could then become the ancenstors for organisms on other planets. Just a thought. The PC aren't really as alien as we like to think since in DYRL you'll notice that they have the same basic structure to thier houses indicating we might be easily able to decipher thier language, understand thier records, science, and culture if given time. I find that when sara sang her song and all the plants starting coming to life, she had the ability to breath life into things around her. If this is possible on earth how about the stuff in an alien lab? It isn't explained why Hasford's theory believes people could fly and float rocks at will in ancient times (which is why IU want to know is it magic or science? or a bit of both?) so I'm willing to keep an open mind. Sometimes you can consider destruction as a kind of cleansing (whether it be the zentradi attack on earth which killed life on earth to make way for the SDF1 civilians who had been banished from earth by thier own people, or a natural disaster like a literal flooding) that kills off the unwanted influences in the world. Once people are killing thier own,you could say they are like cancer cells and it is only a matter of time before the whole organism dies. So keeping a few good cells and seperating them from bad ones by trying to kill them may help chances of survival of the good ones to carry on thier life in a peaceful safe area away from war. This explains my belief that Sara is figure in the myth who represents the first female while shin is the first male who is trying to fly home to his wife whom is 'across the ocean' and promises to make an apearance at the end when war is coming and the stars are crumbling. You can liken this 'symbolic figure' thing to be similar to how people try to place real current day people as the possible literal figures mentioned in ancient prophecies who've made thier appearance in the world. Eg Hitler being thought of as an antichrist. In the case of SDF Macross for example, you could say that Hikaru is the literal "Little White Dragon" in minmay's song, saving the world from the giants attacking the innocent. Of course the real hikaru is far from the herioc hollywood stereotype but he takes on that quality when viewed from afar. His initial insignificance in the series takes on more significance in the end when he comes to the rescue and plays the 'messiah whose duty is saving and protecting people'. In the start of the series you see he was pretty antiwar and apathetic towards war, but in the end he becomes pro-defender, out to help the culture survive rather than competing against it because it gets in the way of him having minmay to himself. Now given what he does you could say he is the character in little white dragon. But only symbolically.

If people were familiar with the series there might have been a flow on effect. Similar to how transformers series got people at least curious to see the characters in a movie. We were familiar with optimus, megatron, the humans etc and the whole war on earth, and understood about the reason for transformations and stuff. Seeing them allowed us to just walk in a theatre expecting an action movie without too much boring explanation of who everyone is. (and even then, the starwars opening, with text scrolling up into the air, was enough explanation to those who were not familiar with the series.) I think if the macross tv series was released to introduce what the space war is about, there wouldn't be as much "WTF?" factor interfereing into people's preconceptions about what an animated movie should be. They would just say,: "I know him, that's the character from that sci-fi tv series who piloted that transformable jet thingy. That thing was awesome, I wonder what the movie is like?" If you were connected to the characters in the tv series, you had access to actual toys, you recognised the music, this stuff helps people to identify with a movie itself. I remember seeing gits 1 and realising how hard this could be for someone who had not read the manga. It was way too short imo. I just wish macross and robotech could co-exist together so that fans of either can have thier cake and eat it. Both stories would exist side by side seperately, and both would hopefully have thier fans getting what they wanted. This way if DYRL were to be released, people who were new fans of the macross tv series would understand what was going on and actually care about the love triangle, the music, the backstory etc instead of only anticpating big explosions and stuff. The tv series goes into better detail, people who had seen it and liked it, would then automatically want to see the movie. But if robotech and macross can't co-exist, chances are people will not care about any events going on in the movie and wonder why there is a fanbase for it in the first place. When people don't understand something they bash it, and accuse it of being overhyped by fans because thier exposure to it was done in the wrong way. (force fed to them rather than having them gently developing a liking) I think by slowly getting them into the series and then following up with a movie you will probably get a better reaction. (with mainly the new fans who knew nothing about macross before.) This is one of the reasons why a remake of an old series will help today's generation understand macross as it is ressurected in some way similar to how you can kind of ressurect a dead character like astroboy/Atom and expose another generation to an old thing without confusing them. People may not want to watch old stuff because of predjudices they have held by what they are exposed to now.(the spoilt rotten factor)

There really is no debate: Even the robotech.com forum regulars hate the toynamis. Ignore yamato 1/60 and the toynami valks and get yamato 1/48 not because we said to, but because it will save you time finding out about the toynami flaws the long way. (ie by trying it yourself and feeling bad.) 1/48 is detailed, sturdy, won't chip because it is mainly plastic, has good sculpt, gimmicks, no loose or floppy limbs, looks good in all modes, and the posability is good. (I would have bought bandai if my wallet wasn't hurting so much from yamato valks) The only thing is the price is high. But it feels like you are getting what you paid for. The pieces all fit snugly and snap together perfectly when transforming them, Once you put fast packs on and open up the covers to put minimissiles on and see all that detail, you will feel as if the money was put to good use. I can't wait for the GBP armor. The 1/48 scale is the ultimate macross toy and it's not even a collector toy that is meant to be left in box never to be touched. (like the toynami ones which aren't even listed under 'toys' on HG robotech site) I'm sure even kids could touch the 1/48 if they were careful. The only problem is the yamato stickers imo. If only they could have printed all that stuff on the toys, it would be perfect. The one thing about the 1/60 are that I think the arms look better than 1/48 arms. Also the wrists of the 1/48 are floppy and can't support the weight of the gunpod so you tend to have the arm tucking the gunpod between its body and arm for keeping it still.

When I first saw the movie as a kid I hated the love triangle bits as well and was watching it for the animation. I was amzed at how smooth and detailed the scenes were. But without Minmay and Misa, it just wouldn't be the same. Imagine if the Zentradi and UN spacy had to go all out in a war to see who has the better military muscle. Humans would get thier asses kicked, sdf1 would lose the fight because they wouldn't have the same opportunity to beat the aliens by themselves, and the idea of even having a living city on a ship floating in space would be pointless imo. The 'living city in ship' aspect was handled better in the series than in the movie imo because it helps us see why the zentradi are so keen to leave thier own life behind. They are enticed by all the shopping malls, hot women, food, entertainment, toys (I saw astroboy model kits in the series ) music, porn, party atmosphere, our ability to protest etc basically the civilian life onboard. Above all of this: love in the form of max and milias wedding which proves peace between two differing races from different cultural backgrounds can be achieved. Because the Zentradi were not told about all these things the PC had, they would have been curious about our lives and wondered why thiers sucked so much. The true 'culture shock' would be all this activity onboard the sdf1 and not lie solely on an ancient tune that magically unlocks a recessed memory. In the tv series you gradually see them changing thier ways. Whereas in the movie it's because of some ancient memory plate that makes them remember a time before they all became clone warriors used as specialised killing machines but it all happens at the last minute, and because of this I find that hard to swallow. I liked how it was presented but I'm going to be honest and say that what really drew me into it was more the action scenes. I still think the love triangle is necessary, and that the 'music' was a crucual part of macross, but the tv series is more believable.

But dont forget the anti un have had more time with variable fighters. So the question is whether it would have been a fair fight? What I would like to have seen is roy going one on one in battroid mode against Ivanov similar to the battroid street fight in macross plus where you see dyson and guld trying to rip each other's limbs off or the episode in sdf macross when britai rips the chest plate off hikaru's vf. I always was fond of seeing battroids get wrecked and damaged. When there is no gunpod ammo left, a lack of fuel, and all your missiles are used up, it's up to both of them to try thier hand at mech to mech close combat for a showdown. (no more game playing or running away bs) While all that is happening Nora is enraged and tries to kill Roy and because he is half damaged from the fight with Ivanov, he ejects. Shin fights her in one last decisive battle, while much later on, the monster does its usual thing of shooting the birdmech which is indiscriminately killing everything. There you go: an easy alternate change of events that allows us to see who is decisively better without just killing off the aces so suddenly. I find that when characters die so suddenly (roy's death from loss of blood in sdf:macross) it just leaves a negative taste in your mouth. You want them to go in a dramatic fashion (like roy's death in DYRL). It's ok with Kakizaki but Ivanov and Nora are the main bad guys.

Exactly. And even with emulation, there is no guarantee the emulators in particular will be glitch-free in some cases. To a diehard enthusiast, nothing beats owning an original complete with manuals, box, the way it was originally released. Some games are encrypted so you will never see them emulated unless this is cracked and that could be years. I remember years ago when I was into emulation, (the first one I used were gameboy emulators and then arcade ones like callus - I was amazed I could get arcade roms working at full speed w sound on a crappy pentium 75) wishing somebody would please make a cps3 emulator so I could enjoy playing street fighter 3 as my local arcades never had this. Fortunately, today you can buy this as a compilation in an anniversary pack which I've done, but during all those years of nothing (I even had the dreamcast version but the dreamcast itself died, making it impossible for me to play) I can sure as hell tell you that I would have done anything to be able to access the game. Whether or not it was legit or pirated since the game was so elusive. (no home port till the dc came out. No access to an arcade with a cabinet.) Am I hurting the company if the game is not even available? - hell no. It's a last resort, I WANT to give my money to them but they won't let me by releasing it. The value of having an original also means the guy who holds onto to the item can later sell that item for a tidy profit, kept in as good condition as possible, but still legitimately privately enjoy the game he paid for through the use of backing it up to keep the original in good condition. (this was seen as normal back in the days when you loaded operating systems from unreliable floppy disks and used ONLY the copies, so the originals would not get damaged) So if you are TRUE fan you can collect a bunch of games that are not popular or commercially successful without this danger that the company dies and goes out of business preventing you from ever being able to support them and access the games ever again. Not all games are mainstream 'popular classics' that are garuanteed to be re-released like nintendo's own titles, and just wishfully thinking they will appear again sometime in the future or be reissued is a risk I'm not willing to take with some titles.

Argh matey! You can never be too certain what people's motives are. To me, there is only one legitimate use for copying: -backing stuff up to leave your originals in mint condition. I do this with games I own that become harder to find, and I only use the copy to play the game with in case the original gets damaged, scratched and is unreadable. Keeping them in thier box increases the games' future resale value when I wish to sell it second hand or trade it in. For some really hard to get titles that are no longer being produced, this is really sensible. Of course like anything else it is open to abuse and this brings a bad name to all those whose intentions are not to pirate and try to profit from it by selling copies which takes profits away from others who are selling the orignals.

That reminds me, in macross plus how did Dyson actually avoid all those micromissiles that Guld unleashed upon him? Nobody could have survived that. When Dyson has a chat to Guld about it, he says that he did a special manuever like in the old days. Calling it the terasaur lift manuever. (Probably because the shadow of his plane looks like one of them flying dinobird things when you look at its shape from below). He cut the engines and just glided with the wind, somehow avoiding the missiles. Would just turning off the power be a useful tactic? After Dyson says this to Guld, Guld does the same and just glides in the air with him. Those planes were just floating in the air it seems. I'm thinking that in space after you pushed yourself at high speed, maybe you could do a similar thing and rely on the forward movment you generated, turn the thing off, and fire away.

^ this is why I want a alternate movie version to show who wins. I don't necessarily think the more skilled pilot would win, maybe the better pilot lets his/her guard down (ala the red baron ) and is really cocky and unfocused that day and makes a mistake that lets the less-skilled and experienced one take advantage of it. I think the whole build up from the previous dogfights in previous episodes into the last episode was kind of a let-down. They built up this rivalry thing then we never got to see ultimately if one could beat the other. Like a street fight that ends in a tie with both sides unsatisfied. It makes roy and shin look weak imo. But if Shin is young and inexperienced, and Roy learnt everything from this Ivanov guy, it would be more realistic this way by having them at a constant disadvatage because they are in less well designed variable fighters. About this blood thing. Keep in mind the anti un were attacking the un at the time so to me it would seem logical to just use the blood from the alien bird on mao. Especially considering it was just convenient and they had mao and the bird body right there.

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I was just wondering when a vf1 'super valkyrie' fully equiped with strike and/or super parts is in fighter mode, can it use the missiles in its arm armors to fire at things behind it? Looks like it would be possible, no obstructions or anything. I just got the idea if someone is on your tail it would be a good way to leave a nasty little present for them to crash right into head first. ALthough I've never seen it in animation, can those missiles in the arm armor be used this way?

My current theory is that the bird mech is a bird human, but also that Shin = the literal bird human for that current time period's generation who would fullfill the task of saving the human race like the legendary bird human who cut its own head off. The Kadun of fear left him when his plane was going to crash and in its place he let go of the fear by singing which enabled him to fly like peter pan. Shin lost his faith in others and only relied upon himself before that, hating the 2 seater planes because it meant he had to trust another person rather than just relying on himself. The images of his slain parents made him paranoid to lose control which makes him so serious all the time. Sara on the other hand clings to her superstitions about kadun and gives him some faith to start believing in forces other yourself. They are a perfect match for each other. Shin and Sara become a sort of messianic figures similar to hikaru and minmay but this time on a more literal level. Whereas Hikaru was the 'little white dragon' defending the archtypal princess (minmay) who minmay was singing about in her songs, from the evil mythical giants in the movie (as the literal zentradi)....Shin was the Messiah (bird human guy) that Sara was singing about with her song about the end of the world that would come from an angry god. The love for each other makes them interdependant: Hikaru is the knight defending the culture, Minmay is the princess that symbolises the hope for the soliders fighting on. Without one, you cannot have the other. Even the legend of the bird human whose wife is seperated from him until the end of time, is just a love story imo. It's trying to merge a microcosmic idea with a macrocosmic one. the characters do something on a small insiginicant scale that becomes signficant on a larger legendary scale. But like I said before, maybe they ran out of time and had to squeeze thier explanation in suddenly which resulted in a very sharp and vague (open to interpretation) ending. If they had 1 more episode I would have really really liked to see a decisive battle between Roy and his instructor, but as it is they probably thought: "lets make the birdmech kill two birds with 1 stone (no pun intended) and let the afos kill the 2 main skilled bad guys as if they were cannon fodders", and this is what made me more unsatisfied than anything else when the anti-UN were defeated FOR the UN by the bird, instead of them battling with a final climactic dogfight to determine who was better. The meat of a fan's love for the series is obviously seeing the action and battles done in a stylish way. So long as they don't skimp on this I'm happy. If a movie version is made I hope they explain it in more detail for *ahem* 'closure'. Even before seeing ep5 I was expecting the strangest stuff was going to happen because of the use of this alien technology. Magick was not going to be a problem for me and floating stuff to fly and 'ride them' isn't the main turnoff. Its more this aittude of 'let's leave the detail to the last minute' which makes it feel as if footage has been cut out because they had to cram it all in order to wrap it up quickly that gets to me more. As an example from mac+: I felt unsatisfied with the macross plus ova ending compared to the movie one because to me it was not resolved properly whether myung starting believing in song and getting her singing career back, or if Dyson actually cared about her as much as his flying. But in the movie it is wrapped up more neatly and you felt more of an emotional connection to the 3 characters: Princess is protected, princess continues singing after having faith in her own music to breaking the hypnosis spell, Knight protects princess from evil sorceror/sorceress and sacrifices his life, and Hero gets girl after almost falling to his death, with reknewed hope in the magic power of the princess' music on others. A much stronger resolution than the ova which just ends, no explanation about music waking up dyson up or whether he bothered talking to myung at all.

Well the blood type of that mech is the same as humans just that it is rare, isn't it? One of the scientists even says:"It's the same as humans?" as if shocked that its seeping human blood. It wouldn't surprise me if the PC look just like the zentradi who also happen to look just like us. I mean the zentradi even wondered if we were the protoculture. Since they are gone with the dino's and have made themselves extinct we'll probably never know. (But DYRL shows misa in a PC house with dishes and a sink and a table and chairs so I wouldn't expect much difference)

Yeah I remember seeing mao accepting the blood from the mech. I bet that had something to do with the mech only responding to certain people's touch. For example when Mao touched it something happened. When the head and body of the mech are together it probably scans the dna of the person who tries to use it or something and determines if they are the 'chosen one' to be able pilot it. Like thier own body is the unique key to the machine working and certain family bloodlines are ordered to use them when the time comes. It certainly explains why in the legend, the bird human deliberately cut its own head off when ordered to destroy the world by Procacha. I think the body itself might be a machine but the head might be living organic part. But blood is seen seeping out of the body I think. Cutting this head off makes it impossible to use the machinery in its body. Just a guess. The scientists had the body which was useless by itself. Mao's treausure was the head, which was 'alive' without its body. Very strange. I think the head unit reads the emotions of the pilot and becomes a kadun if the person/pilot becomes angry, but becomes nice if the person is in a good mood which is what the glowing colour of the head is all about. When mao was in the water kissing shin, it wirelessly responded to her emotion and the head started glowing. So I'm thinking that the controls are not mechanical but only through use of the mind and intent of the person. When the pilot is angry you can imagine weapons being triggered into action. Also in the legend it makes mention that Rooy Kanu will meet up again with his wife Rooy Waka (the 'adam and eve' first human types that gave birth to the new humans) in heaven when the 'stars begin to crumble' or something like that. (ie I guess that means space war in heaven) The bird mech itself could be considered the 'male' (its voice sounded male) and when it defolded, it met up with its wife somewhere out there 'across the ocean' (think of space as the last uncharted 'water') as the legend tells. So I'm thinking there must be a 'female' bird mech living somewhere else in the galaxy and this male birdmech finally meets its wife at the end when sara and the birdmech with the deep male voice finally fold away from earth in ep5, completing the legend. The 'turtle shell' that was dropped could be an asteroid that was sent to earth (when Rooy Kanu was complaing there was no where to walk upon; only water) to create the lands that these people would live on and inhabit and also explain the strange floating (alien?) Magi-rocks. Those floating rocks and maybe the islands themselves may hold some significance to my theory that an asteroid was sent to earth after this Rooy Kanu guy complained of nowhere to settle. The rocks then brought with them diseases from space and this combined with the blood of the bird mech's head, helped to spawn organisms that could both fly and swim, (the flying fish) as well as evolve us normal humans to walk away from the water into land dwelling creatures. The 'star on the ground' then would be all those organisms from space that ended up here as the unique insects and life native to only those islands. The turtle shell might have been an asteroidal giant rock that split apart onto earth.

Yeah but I get the feeling that the islanders and the priestesses' knew that the world was coming to an end from thier own prophetic warnings anyway. They would have been prepared for it either through the anti-un and un fighting for the alien bird thing, or through some other cataclysm. The prophecy had to come true and there was no way to avoid it so they accepted this and may even have moved to a safe area (maybe in a cave or something?) before the big Zentradi attack. Stopping the birdmech would have only postponed the end but the prophecy still had to come true in some way, so the eventual Zentradi attack fullfilled that. I think only about 70% of the earth was destroyed wasn't it? I would like to know if Mao is still alive at this point because after getting all her psychic powers you would think she could somehow use this to bring her own people to safety. After not believing all of sara's stories and myths you would think that after episode 5 she would be more open minded about flying bird mechs and references to all the crazy stuff that just happened in front of her eyes. Or maybe the UN kept her as a valuable lab rat for experimentation. And they probably had to silence any leaks to the public in some way by gathering all those who knew what happened and making sure they don't allow the media to snoop around or to follow in hasford's footsteps and make any further discovery about the events and of the islanders who saw all this happen. You'll note another similarity: All the weapons themselves whether they be protodevlin, zentradi, AI with bioneural chips, Birdmechs which are "alive"...all had a mind of thier own. Once they got out of control many innocents were in danger from the threat of these weapons. It's not so much the weapons themselves that are evil (although that's what the black stuff you see around them in macross zero makes them out to be) but the danger of those weapons going out of control and humans wiping themselves out with them by not having proper controls or plans to ensure that if something goes wrong they can protect civilians from the danger. The new UNG (after SW I) is more sensible but even in macross 7 you have some who wish they could capture the weapons and use them for themselves as thier own bioweapons. (take the giant monster in macross 7 with that massive cannon, that would make one awesome weapon if you could tame it ) There is always the temptation to take the weapons and misuse them but nobody is prepared for the possbility those weapons will backfire and the enemy uses them against you. I think the whole reason for the PC 'Evil' series in the first place was to ensure the zentradi don't suddenly decide: "because we are stronger than the pc, we can one day attack them!" And when you consider some of the zentradi like Kamjin are just plain crazy you can understand this. But nobody could prepare for the fact these super weapons (the evil series) themselves would do just what the pc feared would happen with the zentradi. (ie weapons turning againt them, or just being used agaist them as a result of a split in beliefs by one side of the government) Instead of destroying the weapons so no one can have them, there is always this danger the military (like gollum who can't throw away the one ring ) no matter which one or what form it takes, will just decided it has to have the weapon hoping nothing bad will happen. But usually that thing falls into the wrong hands and unless there is a defence against it, large chunks of the population die. This is part of the purpose of the prophecies and warnings that let small groups of people working independantly (like a few PC who secretly had to seed earth to start again because they knew their race was going to die someday) prepare for that day before it comes. The attitude taken is: There is no "it might go wrong". It's inevitable that something WILL go wrong and the stories and myths that are handed down, no matter how strange sounding to primitive cultures, have some relevance to future generations.

I disagree. I think the purple barrier was the field. The redish smoke = the harmful stuff. And the little circles radiating in 4 directions was the fold that would contain this harmful red stuff similar to how the sdf 1 managed to contain all that water in a bubble in SDF:Macross. All that red stuff seemed almost suspended in time ad space. Rather than expanding outwards you can see that it is stuck in particular spot. The purple barrier is only put before the missiles hit the afos not after. So it is more likely that it was used to defend against the monster attack in reflex. And the missiles' point of impact is right on top of the barrier, not through it. For a while I was leaning towards thinking that sara is dead because of the ghost that appears to help shin lift the plane up with that blue stuff, but I can easily put this down to her strange jedi 'floating rock' tricks. Remember when they were flying on that totem pole thing? She had complete control of the thing. Face it she has alien dna that allows her special magick powers due to the bloodline of the priestesses who have preserved thier dna within thier own people and remained isolated from the rest of the world, and also because of her shamanic training. (boosting these powers through practice - but only in secret. As you will see her reaction when she discovers that shin saw what she could do and hoped no one would find out her powers) It was no wonder Aries refers to Mao as a 'valuable sample'. The alien blood type is thier link to the ancient civilisation that visited earth with these birdmechs. You guys have got to understand that one of the tricks is to make us all think characters are dead when they are not. Or to lead an audience down a path of thinking so they can surprise and shock us later. It's like a cruel joke. Take the first episode for example where we are led to believe: "Oh my gosh! Edgar's favourite mug is lying on the sand; his remains never to be found...probably dead washed up in the middle of the ocean!" And then....pause for suspense, they decided to reveal how he escaped and ejected later on. Same thing with the ending: shin is diving to his doom and has no response to the controls, "ARgh! he's going to die!", then he is floating on blue stuff all of a sudden.."hooray a happy ending", then they suddenly drop him in the ocean for no good reason:"Ooops wtf happened?!" and finally.. long dramatic pause..he comes out of the ocean ressurected like a phoenix:"Oh he's alive!". It's all put in for humor and to lead you into believing something is going to happen and then it doesn't. Like the earlier example of edgar's 'death'. They culd have easily shown us edgar ejecting but chose not to, to keep us waiting and watching in suspense since this is more interesting and keeps you glued to the chair.

I wonder if they'll be crazy enough to release clear GBP? This way you could display a 1j with armor on, and another with armor on with missiles shown underneath and the valk inside. They should then release ghost drone fighters to go with the GBP.

They had a kid called Basara who gave us his repetitive rock music that saved us from protodevlin. All the groupies who got to know him, now potentially carry basara's children and macross 7 II is being made as we speak. Technically we could say Guld wasn't dead in the movie edition of macross plus because as his body is being sucked in from all the gforce we never see him actually dead, but dying. Maybe he ejected just after killing the ghost? For all we know, like in the movie Robocop they could have slavaged parts of his brain for un spacy underground black experiments to make the ultimate cyborg who could withstand those Gforces so that the yf21 project could be carried on in secret. In the future all AI controlled drone fighters would be replaced by cyborgs. This way milllard could get what he wants: pilots that manualy pilot planes making the decisions, as well as the performance boost that the brainwave control system adds to the plane. I'm just joking. They probably just made clones of guld and had all his good memories saved and transferred to another body like what they do with the Zentradi bodies undergoing micloning in SDF: macross. ie Thier souls are kept in little jars and they join these up to the miniture bodies while the big ones are kept alive by the machines. The new guld would be like harrison ford's character in blade runner and have no clear memory of his past and Myung and Dsyson would play all kinds of cruel mind games with him by not telling his new body what all the funny, cruel and embarassing things he did before. Maybe even making little oragami models to give him hints, but still pretending nothing happened