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Actual scans instead of photos http://www.mediafire.com/?clf7yt8xnxf6168

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I just had a mildly horrible yet interesting and improbable idea. If this gets too off-topic-y I apologize. Now, I'm quite happy with this DYRL release as it is. It's the best the movie has ever looked and the "creator alterations" don't bother me. I'm happy to have parted with thousands and thousands of yen for this. But, if we were to hypothesize as to how to improve it then the only way to do that at this point is to get it licensed by Funimation. Personally I do not like Funi. I have, in general, given up on the R1 anime industry over 5 years ago. I've been constantly disappointed with their releases but there are reasons for my proposal. The only product of theirs I consider buying is the recent DBZ BD release because unlike the filtered DBKai in Japan the Funi release of DBZ is amazingly enough an unmolested film scan at the correct aspect ratio. This all came from keeping thinking through of why all those scenes are blurry and based on the assumption that the Zentradi subtitles are what ruined them. If Funi licenses it for release outside Japan they do not need those japanese hardsubs. They can lobby Kawamori and friends for the original animation film elements, before the subtitle compostion. This sadly all hinges on those intermediate step films still existing. But hey, if GAINAX still had internegatives for Eva then why not? Film is far more valuable than cels and easier to store so no need to get rid of it. With that new DBZ release Funi has shown that they've finally learned how to treat traditional anime and can themselves rescan that pre-sub film removing the obstacle of Japan's lack of will/technology/money to do that. That's the technical reason to consider Funi: They do anime and they seem to be up to it at this point. I don't see any other company of this scale being interesting in DYRL and willing to put in the effort. The obstacle here however is licensing and finances. I don't know the exact situation with HG but I don't think the above scenario is likely with them having Macross. However given how much potential the Macross license has for Funi I think it's doable to wrestle HG for it if Japan is willing. If you put together a nice big deal for obligatory SDF TV BDs, coupled with low risk Plus and Zero packages and shiny new Frontier on top, then the DYRL seems very worthwhile. 7 is sadly not everyone's cup of tea, but at this point why not a blanket Macross license? So, just crazy talk?

Found on the internets

I don't think they went as far back as they could have. This looks like just a fresh scan of the final master film so not really a restoration. I do still suspect the zentradi subtitle scenes were shot like they would shoot credits: shoot the animation to film -> reshoot animation film plus text layer creating the final master film but losing quality due to the extra step. If that is indeed the case they could potentially rescan the raw animation film which should be significantly better and then add the subtitles digitally. That would be a proper restoration, going back to the earliest and best elements possible.

They remastered it the best they could. Those flaws are in the original film. To fix that you need a restoration instead of a remaster.

Quite a lot of screencaps and comparisons are in the thread. http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=36122&st=175&p=975336entry975336 http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=36122&st=210&p=975676entry975676 http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=36122&st=175&p=975415entry975415 To me it's worth every penny. It's my first time buying SDF TV and will probably be the final one as far as archiving the show goes. The extras are also fantastic.

It's pretty much as good as it will ever get as far as video/audio. Only thing missing for western fans is the subs and who knows when and if that'll happen.

Hopefully fixed now http://www.mediafire.com/?x02uy3wa34gkz6a

Ugh, I think it might have automatically killed it because of DVD in the filename or something... Gonna have to reupload I guess, might take a while. EDIT: wtf mediafire apperently nuked all my files. :\

45 comparisons. http://www.mediafire.com/?1seoyn6vfbffjil

Well, finally got mine today. Box is lovely, haven't gone through all the physical extras yet but the film strip is the circus. Straight to the main feature the. Watched through it once and enjoyed it thoroughly. I don't believe there is anything purely technically wrong with it as far as the HD/BD remastering process goes. No nuclear DNR, no audio issues. As for the deliberate changes such as the music and violence, personally I don't mind those. It's silly they did change it but for me barely a second of visual changes and an audio one does not affect the whole movie. I believe the variety in video quality has nothing to do with the remaster and is entirely the fault of the original production process. There is a ton of soft and out of focus shots but the vast majority of them are the ones that have the subtitles for the zentradi. I suspect that's the culprit because it must have been done with an extra composition step that was at times done lazily/rushed/incompetently. The quality does drop with each composition (which is why in ye olde days hollywood used larger film stock for the raw footage in effects shots so that by the time they're done they still have enough quality left), but there's no real reason why they couldn't have taken care to focus it properly. Was the production severely rushed or something? I know they storyboarded Flashback 2012 stuff but couldn't get it done in time, but were there other issues? The blurry shots without the subtitles usually have a ton of layers. So again something gone wrong at the photography step and nothing can fix it now sadly. screenshotcomparison.com was being annoying and refuses to let me upload batches of comparisons. I had 45 comparisons lined up not including the censorship and I just can't do 45 individual uploads. What I'll do instead is bundle it all up in a .rar and up it to mediafire overnight. For now just have a few comparisons I was able to upload. All comparison are straight up sources, no encodes. Upscaled DVD (2007) BCBA-3170 and the BD (2012) BLJS-93006 On a side note, combining the extras of these two releases is quite awesome. Full storyboard, design book, magazine archive, tons more. Quite lovely. A very concentrated pile of reasons to learn Japanese.... Boxes of Macross Anyway, screenshots: The really good: http://screenshotcom...mparison/137815 The really blurry: http://screenshotcom...parison/137816/ A few more random ones: http://screenshotcom...parison/137818/ http://screenshotcom...mparison/137817 http://screenshotcom...mparison/137823 http://screenshotcom...mparison/137824 Censorship comparisons: Head stomp: http://screenshotcom...mparison/137819 http://screenshotcom...mparison/137820 Head loss: http://screenshotcom...mparison/137821 http://screenshotcom...mparison/137822 That's all there is to show for the censorship. Only 4 cels are censored for the head stomp and for the decapitation it just goes all white for the last few frames in the BD. I thought about doing a video but that would require me aquiring an editor and learning how to use it. By the time that happens someone else will probably do it. Gonna start going through the extras now. EDIT: Potentially fun idea: Anyone know if the (un)censored parts are included in the flim strips people are getting? Since so few frames are censored just 2-3 film strips is all that's needed to restore it if Bandai let those out.

Probably very, very likely no the case at all. In "The Men Who Made Macross" you can see them going through it frame-by-frame at times with Kawamori watching. And he comes in wearing a heavy coat so this must have been winter-ish. They most likely had plenty of time to consider these changes. Shame the new got out quite late but I'll still reserve my judgement until I see it. Also FedEx tracking from CDJapan finally lives. They're promising it by noon on Friday but if that fails and I have to wait the weekend I'll be mildly annoyed.

I'd really like to know when has Japan ever released a "fixed" version of something due to popular complaints (and not due to purely technical issue) . In the west we have one example of a famous case with Gladiator BD with the initial version being so DNR'd that arrows from the battle scene disappeared. After mass-internet complaining they did finally issue a proper, unmolested version. In Japan however we had Toho DNR Godzilla and Kurosawa movies and as far as I know that was never "fixed" even with the internet complaining. Instead Criterion did their own film scans in the West. Japan was stuck with Toho's version. Godzilla and Kurosawa are far, far bigger than Macross and if Japan couldn't be bothered to fix the former then what hope does the latter have? Still waiting for my tracking to come to life. Already have a ton of screens from the 2007 DVD Remaster ready for comparison when the BD shows up.

CDJapan shipped but tracking number not alive yet.

My understanding is the Creditless OP and ED were usually shot clean on 35mm film because they could afford it and needed it cleaner for the next steps. Then for the actual episode they'd add the credits layer on top and of that clean film and reshoot that on the 16mm actual episode film (so they don't have to abuse the OP cell banks all the time). This is why the creditless OP and ED always come out a billion times cleaner than episode footage for older shows. Dancouga, Zeta, ZZ BDs all show this.

The finalized BD info has been around for months and the answer is no. Gundam releasing BDs with english subs is a very, very special case and not in any way the standard or a new trend. They do it because they're doing simulcasts and simultaneous releases in multiple regions themselves. It's not something just about anyone can start doing.

Proper scan when?

I'm terribly, terribly sorry but I just can't leave this alone. It is BD, not BR. Blu-ray Disc Same as LD = Laserdisc CD = Compact Disc DVD = Digital Video/Versatile Disc The format has been public for over a decade and on the shelves for 6 years. BD-R, BD-RE, BD-ROM, BD+, BD-Live, BDMV, etc. BR = Brazil

If that's the best case why not just do the whole thing? They already have a shiny new scan of the TV footage used in the music video sections. The only thing holding back FB 2012 full remaster is rescanning the actual FB 2012 film. If you have all the film rescanned all it takes is one poorly paid intern to redo all the editing and associated effect. It'd be extremely easy thanks to the magic of computers these days. If they actually only give us remastered FB2012 footage then anyone with the SDF BDs can reedit the whole thing themselves.

Probably not. Flashback 2012 is already confirmed to be upscaled. If they were going to bother remastering the Flashback parts for DYRL ending that would be doing half the 2012 work and at that point why not remasted the whole thing?

But what if they jam a PS3 remaster of VF-X/2 on the Plus BDs?

July 26th

Upscaling only fools your brain into trying to interpret more detail where there were none added. Here's a few caps from the clean version of the ED on the bonus BD. Should be a bit more help than the DVDs.

If you want to argue about the way it was meant to be seen then the only answer is in a theatre with a film projector. As far as "at home" goes it could not have been meant to be seen one way or the other because early on VHS and LD were the only options for home. But technology improves and now we're finally at a point where we can pretty much see the film print at home. The way it was meant to be