Duke Togo
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For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure there was a movie in the past year or so where I recall ragging on the trailer pretty hard, and the movie itself ending up being good. Don't remember what movie it was, though.
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This
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You watched a very different movie than I did. But, whatever, don't care.
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I don't have much use for the hate being thrown at this thing by misogynist clowns. It's as stupid as the trailer is unfunny.
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How can one not point fingers at Lindelof? He mangles everything he touches. Sure, maybe JJ should stop working with him, but he had no role in this movie. And if the Hosnian Prime explosion is JJ's great crime in TFA, then I'd say he did quite well.
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I understand that I am out of touch with what most of the modern movie-going public considers funny. Most probably thing this looks hysterical; frankly, I don't find this trailer to be the least bit funny or interesting. And really, I don't like any of Paul Feig's work at all. So, yeah...
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JJ didn't write either of the Trek movies. Kasdan constantly pushed JJ to slim down and simplify the narrative as much as possible, and to "trust the audience." Kasdan wasn't on board as a script doctor; his work is a significant part of what you see on the screen, and he had his hands on all of it. It's all there in their interviews together. The story we got was heavily molded by Kasdan. And, nitpicks aside, I love this movie. Edit: You can't exactly tell how Rey turns the saber on, but her thumb never goes near the button that Finn wrongly uses.
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Looks like Revan is going to be made canon.
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The Hosnian Prime thing bothered me too. 1. They cut the scene that tells us that it's the capital and the significance of the people we see getting blown up, and 2. The crowd standing around outside at Maz's watching it get blown up is just not believable. Even if it's a close, neighboring system. We know they have hyperspace communication. There are other ways they could have found out that are still dramatically compelling. Edit: John Boyega is the only one handling a saber who turns it on wrong.
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You guys have seen the other SW movies, right? They have zero respect for distance when it comes to space travel. They go with whatever serves the story at the time.
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The Revenant had some significant story issues.
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You do realize Lawrence Kasdan co-wrote the script, right?
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No idea, but that was the start of the movie for a long time.
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I'm wondering whether or not they'll make Mara Jade canon, or if it'll be a new character of the female Imperial persuasion.
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I'd wager Luke is not the one who left her there. I was thinking more her mother, who happens to have an Imperial accent.
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I don't think Luke being Rey's father is supposed to be a huge secret or some big twist. They lay it out there pretty plainly without directly saying it. I don't expect them to play it up like what happened in Empire.
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You can certainly argue that Lucas deviated from Arthurian legend when they started working on Empire. The first movie is this mashup of Flash Gordon, The Hidden Fortress, and Arthurian legend; with Empire, we're on the more traditional "hero's journey." It's all about the archetypes. Anyway, back to the topic at hand: it's pretty obvious who Rey's father is. The question we should be asking is who is her mother? That's what I am excited about.
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LOL, ok then.
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I don't bother with the prequels. There aren't worth the time or discussion. Whether or not you "buy it" is somewhat irrelevant, given how clear the connections are. Even a blind man could see, so to speak.
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Originally, TFA opened with the lightsaber floating through space and falling into the atmosphere of where Maz has her establishment. That was dropped just before the film went into principle photography. It's now assumed that Maz acquires it through one of the many shady types she has around her place.Edit: worth noting that Maz Kanata is a force sensitive who chose to forgo Jedi training. She may be as old (or older) than Yoda.
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Given how much on the nose the sword in the stone (snow) moment was, I can't take the Mordred/Ben and Avalon/First Jedi Temple parallels as just a coincidence.
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It's not even close to fanfiction. The mythological connections are real, and have been covered extensively over the past 30-something years. Lucas talked about it constantly. If you mean my guess at to where things go from here, well, I said it was a guess.
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I think we all pretty well know the connections between the OT and the Arthur legend at this point. Obi-Wan is Merlin, Anakin is Uther, and Luke is Arthur. Anakin's lightsaber is the Sword in the Stone and/or Excalibur. But we never see what happens to Luke after he and the Rebels bring peace to the galaxy. In essence, the OT leaves us with King Arthur at his height. But when TFA starts, we're beyond the end of the Arthur legend, without knowing what happened to get us there. In the legend, Arthur's nephew (and/or his illegitimate son) Mordred brings down the kingdom Arthur has built. While Mordred is ultimately defeated, Arthur is left mortally wounded. His broken body is taken away to the mysterious island of Avalon to recover, awaiting the day when he will be called back to serve Britain in a time of its greatest need. In TFA, Luke's nephew (and essentially his foster son) Ben brings down the new Jedi Temple/Academy, and a psychologically broken Luke hides away on a mysterious planet/island. This island, the long-lost site of the first Jedi Temple, is Luke's Avalon. The question we are left with is whether Luke is the "once and future king" like Arthur, or are we repeating the cycle again? Given the focus on the newer, younger cast members, I believe it is safe to say they are choosing to repeat the cycle. Beginning the cycle again with TFA, only Luke's true heir can wield his sword, and it is Rey who pulls it from the snow (read: stone) after it refused to be called to Ben's hand. Here Rey takes on the mantel of her father, Luke Skywalker, as Luke did before her. What happens from here is anyone's guess. Will Luke serve strictly as the Obi-Wan/Yoda/Merlin figure? Will he have more active role than that? Once upon a time there was a draft of RotJ that had Obi-Wan returning to his corporeal form, more powerful than ever, and fighting the Emperor (or something like that). Might Luke play a pivotal role in taking down Snoke? I guess we'll see. Had Luke played a larger role in TFA, I might be inclined to agree with miles316's interpretation. A starring role for Luke would have essentially solidified his place as "the once and future king," and Rey would be his Lady in the Lake, returning Excalibur to him. In that version, Rey's parentage would certainly be up in the air.