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#1 Scream Man

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 06:42 AM

Well the Clone Wars Animated series has started! Post your thoughts etc here!

I for one liked the animated movie, and the first 2 eps were more of the same high standard. i thought the Yoda episode was the best of the 2, with his playfulness and mentoring coming through quite strongly. The other episode was ok, but a bit drawn out i thought. I likd all that happened, it just could have happened a little quicker!

Still, we're off to a fine start!

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 06:44 AM

Wasn't bad, though I don't really like the idea of a season 1.5 when we've already had a clone wars series. Just wish we could finally span away from it and do either something completely different either WAY before any of this happened, or WAY after the final film.
But it did look ok in HD.

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 07:55 AM

I was so bitter going into this after the "movie," but my sneer turned into a grin as I realized the entire first episode would be a Yoda showcase. When he started giggling like in ESB, I was sold. The scene in the cave with his theme playing - damn it, that was unquestionably Star Wars. I was grinning ear to ear. And by the time the credits rolled on the second episode, I honestly was hoping CN would sneak another one in. Wow. This show is awesome. And yet... why was the film so BAD??? blink.gif

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 08:46 AM

oh so there is a series of the same cg quality? hmm.

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 12:27 PM

Yeeepp, this is that starwars series we were promised a while back, shame it had to be this.
dont get me wrong, a CG series is all fine and dandy, hell even at these blasted character designs, I just don't need a filler of a arch that's been done. We've seen Anakin trancend from an innocent youth, to a power savior , an evil warlord, and his death after 40 years of existance.

Why d we put up with MORE?

....oh, toy marketing, riiiiggght.

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 02:19 PM

I like the animation of the original clone wars series.

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 05:35 PM

QUOTE (Hikuro @ Oct 5 2008, 06:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeeepp, this is that starwars series we were promised a while back, shame it had to be this.
dont get me wrong, a CG series is all fine and dandy, hell even at these blasted character designs, I just don't need a filler of a arch that's been done. We've seen Anakin trancend from an innocent youth, to a power savior , an evil warlord, and his death after 40 years of existance.

Why d we put up with MORE?

....oh, toy marketing, riiiiggght.

Star Wars turns transformers. Bang.

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 05:55 PM

I'll be watching. If it's like the 2d one but in CG, then I can't see why not.

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 05:14 AM

again i like the movie, but it definitely works better as a small screen opening to the series, like it should have been.

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 04:47 PM

To answer the question posed in the thread title: Yes.... but as cashing in attempts go, The Clone Wars "redux" is a pretty good one. And I agree that the Yoda episode was definitely the best of the two.

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 04:52 PM

QUOTE (Scream Man @ Oct 5 2008, 09:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
again i like the movie, but it definitely works better as a small screen opening to the series, like it should have been.

I can't see how watching something on a smaller screen with commercial interruptions would make it better. ;p

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 05:33 PM

"The next big thing or the next big cash in?"

Very funny line. Since when was Star Wars about anything other than making loads and loads of money. And Mr Lucas would sacrifice anything to keep making money (characterisation, plot, etc....)

I know that you could argue the same thing about just about every other form of popular entertainment but as far as I'm concerned there has been an increasingly cynical attitude by Lucasfilm towards the franchise ever since the first prequel.

Edit comment: I forgot about the Special Editions of the originals, which really started the cynical atttitude of Lucasfilm. "Look, Han is not even a cold-blooded murderer anymore" sort of stuff.

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 06:12 AM

QUOTE (Roger @ Oct 5 2008, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can't see how watching something on a smaller screen with commercial interruptions would make it better. ;p


It's all about expectations and standards. Generally speaking, the standard for a theatrical feature is much higher with respect to plot, cinematography, costume designs, script, etc. Granted this is all animated, so in this case the animation quality should have been much higher for the theater IMHO. I would have preferred less stylized character designs for a feature length movie. I would expect a Lucasfilm release to be on a much higher level as say some Pixar features. The plot and script could have been better IMHO as well.

For a weekly TV series I would expect the story to unfold at a slower pace over the entire season for the show. Having the time to go into little side stories here and there is all good stuff. Spending time on character development and history are the things I want in a TV series that you can't get in a movie.

For an action movie I want to be wowed and have a compelling story that leaves me satisfied at the end. The second a movie ends we all immediately have the feeling that a movie was just so-so or completely awesome. I did not get that completely awesome feeling that the end of the Clone Wars movie. Whereas for a TV show I can live with an episode not being so great. There's always another one next week.

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 09:41 AM

So far the series is better than that Pilot movie. I like the play off on Dooku and Grevious.

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 09:58 AM

I watched it last night too. It was interesting. It was not as horrible as I thought it would be. I like the humor, epecilally the funny driods. It is smart of them to make a kids show.

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Posted 21 November 2008 - 02:08 PM

I just saw it, quite interesting. But I like the slug fest between the Venators and the separatist ships. happy.gif

The Twilight seem to be like a poor replacement for Millenium Falcon.

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Posted 21 November 2008 - 03:11 PM

Still haven't managed to catch an ep of this yet.

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Posted 22 November 2008 - 08:18 AM

Next week they will be showing a "The Malevolence" mini-series. It's the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th episodes which follows the story of the Separatist ship the Malevolence which is a huge and deadly ship with the first ion canon. We get to see the early version of the Y-wing in this series.

FYI, you can watch all the episodes at www.starwars.com.

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Posted 23 November 2008 - 06:04 PM

Finally saw the movie on DVD with my son over the weekend. We both enjoyed it.

Not too keen on the stylized chracter designs, but overall I thought it captured the spirit and feel of Star Wars far more than the 3 prequel movies.

Looking forward to seeing the TV series when and if it's shown here in HK (if not, I'll just buy the DVD set when released).

Hope for lots of episodes just featuring Clone Troopers.

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Posted 23 November 2008 - 06:09 PM

I really like the show. The movie isn't bad either if you look at like a mini-series instead of a film. The droids are hilarious in the show too. biggrin.gif

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Posted 23 November 2008 - 06:24 PM

QUOTE (Graham @ Nov 23 2008, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Looking forward to seeing the TV series when and if it's shown here in HK (if not, I'll just buy the DVD set when released).

Hope for lots of episodes just featuring Clone Troopers.

Graham


The TV series is awesome, and there is one episode that all about the clone troopers on a mission.

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 06:48 AM

The movie had to grow on me. It wasn't until after watching the series that I started to like it. Then when I got the DVD I felt the movie is OK. I still think the series is better than the movie. Somehow I get the old school Star Wars vibe from watching the series, I'm not exactly sure why.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 07:50 PM

The series is good, however there are several inconsistency such as Anakin calling Kenobi as "Obi-Wan" while in SW:RoTS Anakin still call him Master. However I like it how they always make sure that Anakin never encounter Grevious.

Also thanks to the TV series, I managed to convert my 2.5 year old son into a SW, and now he hum his own SW theme laugh.gif

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 08:38 PM

I'm just tired of seeing "all my beloved old characters every week" when I like none of them. I don't like how they went with a more cartoony-cg instead of realistic-cg. And for the love of umm the force can they stop having bad feelings about what they're doing?!

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 10:50 PM

QUOTE (Wes @ Dec 1 2008, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And for the love of umm the force can they stop having bad feelings about what they're doing?!


You know what, I always have a bad feeling that would happen everytime I watched an episode.....

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Posted 01 December 2008 - 08:31 AM

QUOTE (protostar8 @ Nov 23 2008, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The droids are hilarious in the show too. biggrin.gif
That's one of my biggest complaints. I find the droid humor too over the top. I mean a droid that can't to three? Ugh.


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Posted 01 December 2008 - 09:26 PM

QUOTE (Wes @ Dec 1 2008, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And for the love of umm the force can they stop having bad feelings about what they're doing?!


That crap line they use is the glue that holds together the franchise.

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 10:59 PM

QUOTE (taksraven @ Dec 2 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That crap line they use is the glue that holds together the franchise.

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JAR JAR FOREVER!!!!


Err, there's one episode "Bombad Jedi" that tells the epic-failure saga of Jar-Jar while trying to rescue Padme. dry.gif

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 06:40 AM

There were fleeting hopes that Jar Jar dies, but then I keep remembering that he can't die since he makes an appearance in ROTS.

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 11:48 AM

QUOTE (sharky @ Dec 4 2008, 01:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There were fleeting hopes that Jar Jar dies, but then I keep remembering that he can't die since he makes an appearance in ROTS.


I am disappointed in the way that Lucas TOTALLY wimped out on Jar Jar. Sure most people hated the character (me included) and I think that it was pretty clear that Lucas wanted him to play a big role in both the second and third prequel films.

But no.

Lucas panics at negative fan reaction to the character and winds back Jar Jar's input to virtual cameo's in both films. Now if I was Lucas (and many would be happy that I am not), my response would have been to give Jar Jar an even BIGGER role in the second and third films, I would have had every second and third words out of all the characters mouths being JAR JAR and when his character was not onscreen everybody would be wondering where he was.

I would have had Jar Jar turning to the darkside in Revenge of the Sith, killing Anakin Skywalker AND Obi Wan, then tripping over Artoo and falling into the lava. He then could have been rescued by the Emperor who would have been unable to tell what this lump of flesh was and the climax of the film would have been Jar Jar becoming Darth Vader.

To hell with continuity and screw the diehard fans.

My point is, I think that Lucas compromised himself badly with what he did to this character. I think that once any writer, producer or filmmaker listens to what fans want too much they will always start to produce crap.

I think I will go and lie down now.

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Edited by taksraven, 03 December 2008 - 11:48 AM.


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Posted 03 December 2008 - 12:17 PM

In some circumstances you are right. It is not always wise to simply follow what the fans want. Elements of the story have to fit in with the overall theme and tone of what the original writer wants to communicate. If the story was written by a committee of fans we would probably have a Boba Fett love fest for a story with lots of scenes with Leia and Padme wearing skimpy outfits. tongue.gif But, in the case of Jar Jar it was a cruel mistake from the beginning. Not the fact that Jar Jar existed, but simply the way he was portrayed in the movie. A little comic relief is usually a good thing, but in the case of Jar Jar his voice, language, and constant bumbling around was downright irritating and took away from the movie rather than enhancing it IMHO. There was no chemistry between Jar Jar, Qui-gon and/or Obi-wan. Even the characters within the movie seemed to be annoyed by Jar Jar's antics.

I think that if they had a Jar Jar character that was toned down, and had a different language and voice it would have worked nicely. He might have even been a beloved character instead of a cruel mistake.

C'mon, anyone who is actually that stupid and accident prone would have been dead a long time ago. tongue.gif

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 12:20 PM

QUOTE (sharky @ Dec 4 2008, 07:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
C'mon, anyone who is actually that stupid and accident prone would have been dead a long time ago. tongue.gif


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Posted 03 December 2008 - 06:57 PM

If I'm not mistaken Palpatine uses JarJar to get the nomination for "emergency powers" or what ever it was in the second film so he can create the Republic Army. I think that makes JarJar a pretty pivotal character in spite of his lack of screen time. Seriously JarJar was a sell out by Lucas who has completely lost touch with his fans and reality. The guy lives in something like a 30,000 sq-ft home on Skywalker ranch. I'd say he's almost gone Howard Hughes. Name one cute cudley creature from ANH or ESB. There aren't any. Then the dreaded ewoks show up in ROTJ. ugh ANH and ESB were written for a more adult fan base, and then we get this ROTJ cr@p obviously targeting a very young audience. WTF? Seriously it was marketing genius on his part as he made tons of money off toy royalties. Unfortunately for the adult fans it meant the movies turned into an episode of Sesame Street with better special effects. Yawn.

Edited by Steve68, 04 December 2008 - 05:39 PM.


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Posted 04 December 2008 - 01:58 PM

QUOTE (taksraven @ Dec 4 2008, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Reason for edit: Politics.

Thats not editing, thats censorship.

Don't worry mods, I have no more to say on this matter.

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 08:19 PM

QUOTE (taksraven @ Dec 3 2008, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am disappointed in the way that Lucas TOTALLY wimped out on Jar Jar. Sure most people hated the character (me included) and I think that it was pretty clear that Lucas wanted him to play a big role in both the second and third prequel films.

But no.

Lucas panics at negative fan reaction to the character and winds back Jar Jar's input to virtual cameo's in both films. Now if I was Lucas (and many would be happy that I am not), my response would have been to give Jar Jar an even BIGGER role in the second and third films, I would have had every second and third words out of all the characters mouths being JAR JAR and when his character was not onscreen everybody would be wondering where he was.

I would have had Jar Jar turning to the darkside in Revenge of the Sith, killing Anakin Skywalker AND Obi Wan, then tripping over Artoo and falling into the lava. He then could have been rescued by the Emperor who would have been unable to tell what this lump of flesh was and the climax of the film would have been Jar Jar becoming Darth Vader.

To hell with continuity and screw the diehard fans.

My point is, I think that Lucas compromised himself badly with what he did to this character. I think that once any writer, producer or filmmaker listens to what fans want too much they will always start to produce crap.

I think I will go and lie down now.

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