Syngyne Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 Hey all, I know the Macross Compendium lists the XB-70 as the vehicle that the VF-1 was named after, but what source did they get this information from? The reason I ask is that someone on another board says the VF-1 was named after the F-22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSuchFile Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 F-22 didn't exist when the VF-1 was made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syngyne Posted October 22, 2003 Author Share Posted October 22, 2003 Yes, but this person was saying that the actual development of the F22 started in 1981. They also said that their information is coming from a translation of the mechanical design book. I'd just like to know either way which case is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewilen Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 The Advanced Tactical Fighter program started in 1981, but the F-22 wasn't designed until some time later. Since this guy is advancing an idea that's counter to commonly known facts, it's incumbent on him to provide quotes and precise references. It could be that he's confusing the ATF program (which involved the competition between YF-22 and YF-23) with the plot of Macross Plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobywan Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 The XB-70 info comes from Shoji Kawamori himself in various interviews and is confirmed in print in the Macross Plus: Movie Edition This is Animation book. The YF-21? was directly inspired by the YF-23 prototype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imode Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 F-22 = Raptor no? Where'd Valkyrie come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uxi Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 (edited) The YF-21? was directly inspired by the YF-23 prototype. Dont you mean YF-22? YF-21/VF-22 looks alot more like the YF-21 than the YF-23 IMO EDIT: Damn it. lol. I meant YF-21 (Guld)/ VF-22 (Max) Sturmovgel II [Macross Valkyrie] looks more like the YF-22/F-22 (now F/A-22) Raptor [Real Life fighter] than the YF-23 Whatever (Black Widow). Edited October 23, 2003 by Uxi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imode Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 The YF-21? was directly inspired by the YF-23 prototype. Dont you mean YF-22? YF-21/VF-22 looks alot more like the YF-21 than the YF-23 IMO The YF-21/VF-22 looks like the YF-21 because it IS the YF-21. I think you have your aircraft classifications mixed up. In Macross Plus it was 21/22. In real life it was 22/23. The M+ 21/22 was based on the real life YF-23. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Nut Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 The YF-21/VF-22 looks like a slightly fattened up YF-23 which proves thats what it was based on. Its the same as the VF-1 looking like a modified F-14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobywan Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 The YF-21? was directly inspired by the YF-23 prototype. Dont you mean YF-22? YF-21/VF-22 looks alot more like the YF-21 than the YF-23 IMO The YF-21/VF-22 looks like the YF-21 because it IS the YF-21. I think you have your aircraft classifications mixed up. In Macross Plus it was 21/22. In real life it was 22/23. The M+ 21/22 was based on the real life YF-23. That's what I was trying to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobywan Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 F-22 = Raptor no?Where'd Valkyrie come from? XB-70 Valkyrie. That is what we are saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 F-22 was supposed to be the Lightning II (that's where the VF-4 Lightning III came from) but they changed the F-22's name to the Rapier then finally to the Raptor. it was after this they changed it's designation from F-22 to F/A-22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imode Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 F-22 = Raptor no?Where'd Valkyrie come from? XB-70 Valkyrie. That is what we are saying. Yeah, I agree. I was wondering where the other guy got the impression that the Valkyrie name came from the YF-22 Raptor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 That's so messed up I don't know where to start. Thankfully other people have posted the right info. Can't name something after something that doesn't have that name. I mean, c'mon. What's next, the Macross itself was named after the USS New Jersey? "They're both big ships" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 That's so messed up I don't know where to start. Thankfully other people have posted the right info. Can't name something after something that doesn't have that name. I mean, c'mon. What's next, the Macross itself was named after the USS New Jersey? "They're both big ships" Don't be silly. The New Jersey was named after the Macross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 The New Jersey was named after the Macross. damn, and here all this time i thought the Enterprise was named after the Macross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uxi Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 I think you have your aircraft classifications mixed up. In Macross Plus it was 21/22. In real life it was 22/23. The M+ 21/22 was based on the real life YF-23. I did, but not in the way you think. The Sturmvogel looks more like the Raptor than the YF-23 is what I meant. At least visually.... at least to me. Lets see some comparo pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imode Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 let's see if i got this right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druna Skass Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Looks to me more like Kawamori blended elements from the YF-23 and YF-22 into one aestheticly pleasing form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 (edited) YF-21 is a ,modded YF-23, hands down. Nothing's from the YF-22. (IMNSHO) The engines in trapezoidal nacelles above the main fuselage clinch it. PS--you know those diamond/hexagon vents all over the YF-21? Only one other aircraft has vents like those--the YF-23. (Y/F-22 uses sawtooth style) Edited October 23, 2003 by David Hingtgen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druna Skass Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Looking at the way Kawamori did the intakes reminds me of the YF-22, even though they're not the rhombus shapes they aren't under the wings, though I guess that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechaninac Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 The VF-1 was named after the XB-70 Valkyrie Super Sonic Bomber of the early to mid sixties, which in turn derived its name from Norse mythology (the Valkyries were super-natural maidens who roamed battlefields and carried the spirits of slain warriors deemed worthy to Valhalla where they would await to be called back to action at Ragnoroch (spelling?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druna Skass Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Ragnoroch (spelling?). Ragnarok... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentrandude Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 PS--you know those diamond/hexagon vents all over the YF-21? Only one other aircraft has vents like those--the YF-23. (Y/F-22 uses sawtooth style) i only see 4 and those just those missle launchers. can you make a pic thats points them out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 (edited) Ok, "all over" is too strong a term. How about "obvious"? Also, check out the top of the engine nacelles for some hexagon patterns. (The YF-23 has them BETWEEN the nacelles, the YF-21 has them on the nacelles.) Edited October 23, 2003 by David Hingtgen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 And hey--gotta use the YF-22 to compare, not the F-22. F-22 wasn't around when the YF-21 was designed. YF-22 and F-22 are not the same plane, it's like YF-17 vs F/A-18F. F-22 has different nose, h.stabs, v.stabs, and most importantly pretty much an all-new wing compared to a YF-22. (Plus a lot of other little things) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewilen Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 The New Jersey was named after the Macross. damn, and here all this time i thought the Enterprise was named after the Macross It's really quite simple. The ship's name is called the Enterprise. Its name is the Macross. The ship is called the Royal Oak (after the Kongo). And the ship is the New Jersey. I don't see why the confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 And hey--gotta use the YF-22 to compare, not the F-22. F-22 wasn't around when the YF-21 was designed. YF-22 and F-22 are not the same plane, it's like YF-17 vs F/A-18F. F-22 has different nose, h.stabs, v.stabs, and most importantly pretty much an all-new wing compared to a YF-22. (Plus a lot of other little things) wow david, thanks, i've been wanting to see the differences forever but never really found a pic that illustrates them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uxi Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Nice. Now can someone put a YF-21 and/or VF-22 up there as well as a YF-23 (real life)? I dunno, I guess I'm just not enough of a jet buff, but the Omega One looks more like the YF-22 than the YF-23 IMO. Especially the shape of the wings and top view sihlouette as well as the vertical stabilizers from front view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imode Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 (edited) Nice. Now can someone put a YF-21 and/or VF-22 up there as well as a YF-23 (real life)? I dunno, I guess I'm just not enough of a jet buff, but the Omega One looks more like the YF-22 than the YF-23 IMO. Especially the shape of the wings and top view sihlouette as well as the vertical stabilizers from front view. You're kidding, right? It doesn't take a jet buff to see that except for the intakes and the engines, the YF-21 and the 23 look exactly the same. Here, just for fun-- Edited October 24, 2003 by imode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Uxi, sure you don't have -22 and -23 confused? I mean, how could the YF-22 (with FOUR tail fins of different shape) possibly look more like the YF-21's TWO fins, when the YF-23 has TWO fins set at the same angle as the YF-21 with the same shape fins? That's always been the #1 thing---YF-23's tail configuration is utterly unique, and the same as the YF-21's. (Somewhat belatedly known as a pelican tail due to proposed X-32 configuration) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 And I already posted a perfect 3-view line drawing of the YF-23 a few posts ago. Anyways, here's another pic: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 This is pretty YF-21-looking: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 I got LOTS 'o -23 pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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