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  1. Talos
    Line art update. First is my first attempt at integrating the weapons from the Hasegawa VF-1 into the one I drew based on the Master File one (which is based on the This is Animation Special Macross Plus one). Next is a VF-1D and later production VT-1 with the late panel lines. One of the neat things in the second volume of VF-1 Master File was an early FAST pack similar to the VF-0's. Instead of boosters, they just contain missiles and fuel. In VF-1 Master File, the last blocks (13-17) have a different fuselage, tail, and ventral fins, as well as flush antennas on the dorsal spine. The 17, the last block produced of the legacy VF-1, was described as having modified FLIR sensors on the nose, but wasn't illustrated. I realized that the FLIR sensors on the VF-1X/VF-1P from the second volume of the book fit that appearance, so I integrated them with the 13-16 VF-1 I already had. VF-17D updates. I'm slowly going backwards from the nose, adding detail from the high-detail line art, and accurizing the shape from the TIA:M+ schematic I'm using as a base. This one's another Master File one, this time from the VF-19 book. It's the two-seater VF-19B/D. I'll do a cockpit interior later, after I get a chance to draw a custom panel for the backseater.
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    Definitely looks a lot more like a coffin with two lasers stuck to it now. March, you've been MIA on MSN.
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    Amazon has this listed for April 30th now and has some different preview pages then the GA Graphic page.
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    DYRL VF-1 WIP

    Talos replied to danbickell's topic in Fan Works

    That's really interesting, Dan. I've always been interested in 3d CG and printing myself. One thing I've always wanted to do was to be able to make well-detailed renditions of some of the rarer planes, like the VF-11MAXL, the stock VF-11D, or the different Advanced Valkyries. I'll have to look into Zbrush sometime, but I really should learn modeling in general. I've actually been slowly working on a top view of the VF-19F/S just for that purpose. Speaking of 1/24th scale VF-1s, have you seen this?
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    Now that's a damned-fine contribution, yui. I've been waiting to see those VF-9 scans for awhile. Looks good.
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    I've never seen Orguss, so I just assumed. Ugh, it wouldn't be as bad if they were good/attractive/interesting designs. Variable F-14 and Su-27? Really?
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    Thanks for posting, but what do any of these have to do with Macross the Ride? Those are all Robotech designs.
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    Hmm, I might be thinking of a 2002 Model Graphix article, but I could have sworn I saw mention of them in the Macross the Ride information too.
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    Oh, I couldn't agree with you more. There are plenty of things in the Master File book that I keep wanting to reference, like the modularity of the VT-1/VE-1, and the new-style VF-1X from Space Wings over the older VF-X one that looks like any old VF-1J and has completely different stats and background. It's frustrating! I'm totally in agreement over the chest guns being REB-23s as well. I thought they couldn't be at first, since they're so much thicker, but then I figured it is probably just a shroud around the guns, since they're basically mounted externally. I doubt Kawamori had any real involvement with the book besides, at most, rubber-stamping it. If we start seeing more references to it popping up in future works (like the VF-19A+, VF-19C, and VF-19E in Macross the Ride), then it might warrant another look...
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    Ironically enough, they are missing from the Master File schematics on page 76-77, since they (and all the schematics in both the VF-19 and the VF-1 books) are based on the profiles from This is Animation: Macross Plus and /not/ the Hasegawa designs. Both the VF-1 and VF-19 have added detail, but the heritage of the drawing is pretty clear. http://www.macross2.net/m3/macrossplus/yf-19/schematic-yf19.gif Colored version of the TIA:M+ line art http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=80417 Colored YF-19 profile from the back of Master File VF-19 http://img40.imageshack.us/i/vf19ftest2.jpg/ and a VF-19F/S I did using a Hasegawa drawing as a base (and which I still really need to finish). You can see the differences between the two. @Renato: Not starting that argument again, but the book itself says it isn't.
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    Totally. It sounds like something Robotech would do. Didn't one of the comics have something with Roy's plane being semi-sentient or something along those lines? I just vaguely recall the absurdity of it. Heck, according to Master File's crappy numbers (seriously, I love the idea of the differing production blocks and such, but the production numbers have to be a vast underestimation, especially taking into account colony fleets and so forth), that's basically the entire production run of VF-1S ever made, including several made after the war. 31 in total, with the extra one being the VF-1A getting converted. Anyway, that plane and the 5000th VF-1 produced were both schemes taken from Hasegawa model kits. Along with the special VF-19 model kit they made for VF-19 Master File, Hasegawa seems to be cooperating with them a lot.
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    Based on the dates, probably the beginning of VF-4 production there... The interesting parts to me there are the block 6 VE/VT-1s. In Space Wing, I believe, it was said that the VT-1 was where they introduced the second-generation cockpit interior, the one they used in DYRL. This was always referred to as the block 6 interior before Master File came out, so it's a good reference there. The other is Shinnakasu being added in for the FF-2008 engines in the later VF-1s. Also of note, Master File follows the Hasegawa first production VF-1, 2107906 on the table, being flown by Roy in the type's maiden flight. Later that VF-1A got refitted into a VF-1S and is his plane in the show (Skull One). The prototype's scheme is seen in the color appendix. I personally hate that whole idea. I need to go back and fix the "Preceeding production type" with Pre-production type" tomorrow. I need to not translate things when I had a long day. Currently working on the production blocks, finished the block 17 earlier. I'll post them when I have more finished.
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    Translated one of the tables in the book, since I'm working on the production blocks.
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    Something along the unfinished lines of this (kitbash drawing of the Hasegawa YF-19 and Master File VF-19F/S)? I'm definitely excited to see a new mold coming from Hasegawa. Maybe it'll be time to work out a resin (baseline, not Sound Force kai model) VF-11D trainers and VF-11MAXL.
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    I totally forgot to respond to this. Anyway, I really enjoyed this book a lot. It's inspired me to work on my art and keep at it. As for my favorites in it, here are some of them. VF-19A SVF-569 Lightnings. Beautiful shot and the Uraga with mixed VF-11 and VF-19A fighter wing in the background is awesome. VF-0C VMFAT-203 Hawks was amazing-looking too. VF-1D art, particularly the one for the Hasegawa fighter kit. The destroids have some incredible detail. VF-11MAXL with Tenjin's detail! I hadn't seen the poster before, so it was a surprise. VF-0S GERWALK has a really nice sense of scale to it and an awesome angle. YF-19 YF-21 Very beautiful shading on this one, some excellent detail. Looks like new detail added to the YF-19 near the cockpit. VF-25 Messiah Details was crazy-detailed. Not much else you need to say about that. Last, but not least, the VF-25F pic that was also on the cover. Again, beautiful shading and lighting. What I didn't like: I didn't care for the Frontier model kit box art. I prefer his realistic style and those just look under-detailed and more of a rendering of the animation model then a painting. Tokyo International Anime Fair VF-25. Really foreshortened, which makes it look awkward. Looks awkward on the landing gear too. The detail and shading of the painting look good, it's just the proportions. Overall, it's an excellent book. I find myself leafing through it randomly, just looking at the art and getting inspired.
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    Hmm, interesting. I've tried scaling it to be close to the VF-9, but the cockpit always looked small. I'll keep trying, I guess.
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    Excellent overview. Definitely looking forward to this issue. Re: Wings of Goodbye With the FSW VFs section, sketchley, is there any dimensional data for the VF-X-10? The others, like the VF-3000, VF-4, and VF-X-11 have lengths, but Kawamori didn't include one for that plane. It's been bugging me for awhile.
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    Have to make more room for model images.
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    You know, I did read your translation. I was typing at 4am and totally forgot about Oscar's. It's interesting that his plane is the same silver base color as the YF-19 they compared the VF-19EF to early on. Hmm, I just noticed something else. The VF-4's tail is changed to the swept-back one Kawamori had on it when he did those old sketches. Not the straighter one the This is Animation: Macross Plus schematics had. If I'm reading this right, the VF-4 is supposed to be pretty stealthy? Heh, VF-4 Light Clothing, or something along those lines. I'm still hoping to see the scans from last time that Graham promised to put up. I'm planning on profiling all the Macross the Ride Valks and since I already have a finished regular VF-1, Hakuna's VF-1X++ won't be that hard to do. It's a good thing I redesigned my old VF-4 drawing (changing it to details from those old drawings, including the tail) and modded it so I could take off those parts. I can use that. http://hobby.dengeki.com/macross_r/index.html Scroll down, you'll see it. Quicky translation of the specs. Specifications Model Number: VF-4SL Type: Variable fighter Affiliation: Richard Bilrar Transportation Designer: Stonewell-Bellcom Engine: Shinnakasu/P&W/Royce FF-2011 thermonuclear turbine engines (maximum thrust in space 165KN × 2. 20% tuned increase) P&W High Mobility verniers HMM-1A, Reverser thrust, 3D maneuvering nozzles Maximum speed: M3.1+ (10,000 m altitude), M5.3+ (30,000 m altitude and above) Armaments: None Defensive equipment: A: SWGA energy conversion armor system
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    That VF-4SL is nice. I've been fascinated by that configuration for years, ever since I first saw the sketch Kawamori did of it back when he designed the plane. Stripped off rocket boosters and beam cannons, with the tail moved down over the wing. http://www.macross2.net/m3/flashback2012/vf-4/vf-4-la1.jpg It's a big surprising that Shinsei isn't fielding an AVF themselves.
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    Holy crap, that is a /nice/ VF-9 model... I'm officially drooling over that, it's a rare bird.
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    Yep, it does have some that aren't. The intakes in the inner wing (scramjet intakes on the VF-4) threw me off for a long time. You did remind me to mention the shading on the side of the fuselage, since it highlights a definite chine there, like the VF-14 has (taken from the SR-71). From a production standpoint, yes, it's just filler. This one just has a little too-much recognizable detail to it. It's not like that white plane on the left. It's a test flight center, so I'm inclined to believe that, like Edwards AFB or China Lake in real life, New Edwards has basically every plane in service or recently in service represented there in some capacity. They support the development, flight testing, later mods to the aircraft, etc. Things like a new model (VF-4G for instance), or integration of a new missile, would happen in a base like that (China Lake in real life, less so with Edwards), so you would see that plane throughout its service life at the base. We know the VF-1 is still in use, and the VF-4 was at least recently so (Macross 7 Trash), so neither aircraft would be out of place there. Yes, I'm still keeping an eye out for VF-5000-shaped background filler after seeing the VF-17, which is in the TIA: Macross Plus movie edition. Speaking of which, considering the number of VF-17Ts we see, those would probably be there for IOT&E or some other developmental work since it's only five years or so since the VF-17's initial introduction. I'd say (from what we see in the movie/OAV) the only actual unit stationed at New Edwards would be the SB-10s and the base defense/chase plane VF-11s, with the rest being the test fleet with a possible VF-17 training/conversion unit if that's what they're part of. So yeah, it could realistically be either the VF-4 or VF-14, timeline-wise and considering the nature of the base. IIRC, the VF-4Gs in Macross M3 just use the regular FB2012 VF-4 design with no external differences.
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    When I first started looking at them, I thought they were VF-4s too. I was adamant about that. If you look at it again, though, you can see where it's much closer to the VF-14. For starters, the canopy looks to have an angle in the front, there are half-cones above the engine intakes, no canards, and those fins under the VF-4's nose and engine nacelles are missing. After looking at those sorts of things, I changed my mind and put myself squarely in the VF-14 camp.
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    I haven't seen them in the OVA yet, but here is the scene where they show up in the movie. Orange/white is the VF-17T, the black one next to them is the D. http://www.macross2.net/m3/macrossplus/vf-17d-nightmare/mplusmovie-vf17.png Here is what I believe is a cleaned-up version of the Macross 7 P*L*U*S* VF-14 in the same movie. The one under his elbow. http://www.macross2.net/m3/macross7/vf-14-m7plus/mplusmovie-possiblevf14.png
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    Specifically, the F-117 was publicly revealed in late 1988, a few years before Macross 7 and Plus went into development. (I only mention Plus because the VF-17D and VF-17T have a cameo in the movie edition of it.) The only reason the VF-17 exists is that the F-117 was in vogue at the time, that's why it has such a retro-look to it.
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