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    It is also noticeable that even the UN-built battleships had a slight nod to the appearance of their captured Zentradi ships, where the ships from Plus-onwards follow a more linear progression of the UN designs from SDFM. Though I did hear a interesting theory in a comment from a Macross Mecha Manual FB post that in universe (since the regular stealth frigate was design prior by Kazutaka) the Zentradi-Type Northampton was built first before refitted with NUNS technology. Would make sense considering how up until the Plus/7 era most of their ships that weren't ARMD or the rare Oberth ships were either captured Zentradi ships or visually similar looking (like the M3 battleship) Think it's even more apparent that all of the current VF's in MII was based on the Zentradi Valkyrie, which was made for cultured Zentradi that became apart of the UN (Kinda like the VA-14/VF-14, funny enough.) At least with the VF-1->VF-11->VF-19->etc. the current series is a lot more linear in terms of VF design, as opposed to the Gundam esque "throw on the wall and see what sticks" mentality. In a way, maybe. MII was more focused on the "more guns" ideology that Kawamori ironically steered away from. Unless you count the odd Armored Packs that continues to pop up. Though on the loose topic of VF design, I do wonder what was the VF-16 was at the very least, designed for. It's not like the other unknown designs (VF-5, VA-14, VAB-2) where we knew what role they held, but aside from a plot device for the VF-11MAXL Custom, I'm not sure if it was supposed to be in wide numbers like the VF-11, or a special forces unit.
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    Oh, I didn't even know those 20+ mentioned were solely the Sol System Thank you and goodnight! I'd assume they were all spread out in the galaxy. Remembering Macross: The Ride, Fasces acquired the Factory Satellite the Protodevlin used to make the Elgerzolns, Panzersoln's, etc. So I assume that used to belong to the Varauta government itself. On a side note, can imagine those belonging to the frontier fleets being a source of trading disputes and what not. B-52 variable bomber when? I don't believe a connection has ever been mentioned there. The Valkyries that HAVE been influenced by the Nousjadeul-Ger are, Variable Glaug excluded, all in the Macross II parellel world timeline. In hindsight the Variable Glaug's Battroid form is very Nousjadeul-Ger inspired, especially with the head and beam cannon. Pretty much the most "modern" equivalent of most Zentradi mechs. Kinda like how the YF-21/VF-22 is very Quadluun-Rau esque. Speaking of, since the Neo Glaug was a 4th generation Variable Fighter, I wonder if it was subjected to the same export restrictions the VF-19 and VF-22 did.
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    That does make me curious; Macross Chronicle 2E Mechanic Sheet states that more than twenty factory satellites were placed under the control of the UN Forces. So that makes me wonder two things: Are all of them barring the Quimeliquola factory were made to manufacture Regults, or there were a few or more that originally manufactured something else (like Ships, Nousjadeul-Gers, Zentradi clones, etc.). And aside from the aforementioned two, do we know who specifically would have control over them? Would they be moved to the more "important" key places of the Central UN, or any regular colony fleet/government that comes across one can keep one if they stumbled onto one?
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    Oh, I see. The generalization does make sense overall, being stationed on a planet with a well established population would make you protectors of said planet by default. The best date I had for their destruction was in 2029, one year before all hell broke loose. I'm assuming that uprising had a lot more rise in tensions even more so compared to Kamujin's. I probably answered my own curiosity when I remembered it was so bad giant Zentradi were banned outright from being on Earth... Look, how would they know that messing around and finding out would result in awakening space vampire eldritch abominations? Not even Sharon and the Varja was that out there! 😆 Yeah, and with Macross 5's case, it seems that having a fleet full with pure Zentradi based technology would work best with an all Zentradi population. Though I would assume a human probably wouldn't have too much issue piloting a VA-14 or Variable/Neo Glaug if necessary. Though, now I'm wondering what kind of "themed" culture Zentradi would have to make an entire city have that aesthetic? They're trying to preserve culture as best as they can, it's not their fault the majority of Gundam Unicorn and the new Star Wars trilogy never existed. 🤣 Though depending on who you ask that might be a good thing. And in case those jokes didn't land, this is what I was referencing: I don't know what's possessing you to making these kinds of memes, don't don't exorcise it please.
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    Well in the context of Delta they were closer to a more populous area iirc. I can assume city defense is a more higher status then those dead end postings, if Diamond Force's transfer to defend City 7 is to be believed. Now that I didn't catch on! That's a bit interesting, and explains a lot on my pondering's about the military's flexibility. I'd imagine they'd be a result of the 2030 attack, considering the Macross 5 fleet was grouped up with the malcontent Zentradi Emigrants in Macross Chronicle (And confusing me in the process...) Though, are you referring to the Megaroad-24 and Megaroad-25's destructions? I assume those were from accidents as opposed to deliberate malicious intent.
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    Right, that's absolutely fair. Does make me wonder if NUNS Marines doing regular garrison work is somewhat common, or that can be filled by any branch of the New UN military. Speaking of Zentradi-only affairs, I wonder when and why mostly/only Zentrad colony fleets and planets came to be. Not from the anti-Earth Zentradi emigrant ships that peaced out in 2031, but talking more in lines like the Macross 5 fleet. It'd be less conspicuous if they were just coincidences, since it's not a stretch at all to assume there's a lot more human-only colonies in the galaxy. But considering there's specifically Zentradi tailored variable craft and ships at a point Overtechnology was being utilized everywhere by the 2nd generation Valkyries, it just makes me curious to think why they're made to be so obvious. It does feel like the other single-biome planets like Varauta IV, Gallia IV, and the other icy-planet in 7 seem like the exceptions to the rule; at least in the sense of that they're breathable but not exactly habitable per se. It would make sense, considering the desert and ocean (as Eden and Ragna shows) that it's the best place to begin a colony.
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    It seemed like in DYRL? a lot more then 100 ships were apart of Britai's surviving forces, so I can absolutely see it. Either that or it seems like so because there's also the Meltradi ships that decided to help the Macross as well. Speaking of, it is funny how Max and Milia were both in the process of fighting together before Minmay, and I heard this particular theory that because Max was unaware of the Main Fleet's temporary peace treaty, he was to the Meltradi what Minmay was to the Zentradi. Huh, well that's very interesting. Nice to see even a Valkyrie that showed up less then a few seconds got it's chance to shine through, well pretty much everything else. 😋 Part of me speculates why we don't see the Nousjadeul-types reappearing as much as other Zentradi mechs. The TV series design is ugly as sin, and not even in a endearing type of way like the Draug or Protodevlin designs. The movie's design, while personally top tier, takes a lot more design cues from the TV's Queadluun-Rau (Which considering the plot of the movie is completely justifiable), and those just have more higher class to appear in more stuff. Though considering the Gnerl's appear in both VF-X2 and M3, it's probably just a lot more unpopular then I thought. I think Macross II as a standalone title is fine, and it did have a lot of new concepts that were intriguing. Though I feel like they're not used to the extent that they could've/should've been used, so it's why on my first viewing the second half of the OVA felt more like a rehash of the SDF series. Though, I think from that last sentence I think I should embrace the fact I'm a lot more of a Macross fan then I am a UC one, and I love that part of Gundam....Sometimes. Really the first series, ZZ, most OVA's, and the idea of Late UC. Everything else is a hit or miss. Considering how meta Macross can get, I can see something in the lines of that being used to its advantage in the main continuity.
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    Right, those were from THIS IS ANIMATION SPECIAL - Macross Plus, weren't they? The one that comes to mind was the VF-4's Blue Phoenix squadron/platoon had. My guess would be that, if going with Frontier's 33rd Marines, can operate away close to civilization in case they turn and become one of many anti-government Zentradi. Though that kinda falls flat considering what the Marines from Al Shahal got a bit too close to civilians once the Var infected them, but they seemed more laid back compared to Temujin and his cronies, and the situation wasn't their fault anyways. There's also the Zentradi-only colonies to factor and they definitely can't all be marines. 🤪 Speaking of Al Shahal, I know it's aesthetic was based off references from Dubai, though I can't help but think about how many other colony planets might be mainly desert environments; considering Class-A habitable planets appear once and a blue moon and colony fleets basically work with that they got until they can't. I assume the UNSAF existence is that they can operate both in the atmosphere and in space. I kinda assume they are what we saw in SDF and 7 since the military's forces were flexible enough to do both.
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    Yeah, it makes sense why defense as opposed to avoidance when possible was more of a priority in the Macross II universe. It seems whenever the UN in both timelines use battleships and the like instead of frigates and carriers, it's mostly with Zentradi in mind (Hence the Varauta NUNS going for their own local models of battleships as well.) I guess in a way it's not too different from what some installments like VF-X2 goes with, seeing most of the NUNS ships we see are recolored Meltradi ships (Specifically the Gunboats and LSTs). So I'm guessing these are either rebuilt/retrieved ships from previous conflicts or human built ships that accommodate a micronized crew instead. It is interesting how when they reverse-engineer Zentradi technology, the Nousjaduel-Ger design is said to be more of the inspiration then the Queadluun Rau (The example that comes to mind first is the white and green Zentradi Valkyrie that shows up for a few seconds). Compared to the main timeline where the existence of the YF-21/VF-22, the modern Rhea and Alma models, and the Regult from Delta using the same legs and missile launchers from the Rhea clearly shows the bias for the high performing suit. I guess back then they were seen more or less equal in performance? That makes sense. I wouldn't be surprised if those two share the same book, though considering the Kairos Plus... Well that's a shame. Admittedly I'm a lot more fond of the VF-31A's we see then the Seigfrieds (which I still like a lot all things considered), though that's because I lean towards the monoeye look in designs when it's not a simple visor or the odd Zentradi-type face (Like the VF-5000 and regular Variable Glaug) The more I think about it I think naval operations in Macross is a rarity, but not non-existent. The Uraga class was made partially for marine operations iirc, and there's the existence of the VA-3M. In these cases it's probably for any civil wars or other in-fighting instead of a alien invasion like the UN thought it'd be with the Zentradi.
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    Well I've seen people describe it as a "anime high school drama with planes thrown in" in a derogatory sense, but tbh the bar was set low after the repeat of the love triangle in the final SDF episodes. 😝 And really, I ain't gonna complain about Plus' finale in the slightest (Movie version at least, the OVA's was so underwhelming by comparison)
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    I've noticed a bit of a trend. It seems like giant Zentradi use mechs such as the Queadluun-Rau and the Neo Glaug bis are usually primarily used by NUNS Marines (Such as the 33rd Battalion in Frontier, and I think the 10th Assault Battalion in Delta) then any other branch of the NUNS. How come there's a correlation between giant Zentradi and the Marines? And what is the extent of the roles and purpose the NUNS Marines have overall, if the franchise ever went in such detail?
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    It seems Macross II's ships were a lot more designed around defense against Zentradi fleets compared to the main continuity's mostly frigates and carrier ships. iirc II had a lot more battleships and Zentradi vessels compared to the uncommon numbers we have now. On a whole different note; I know it's probably never gonna happen, but if there was a Master File book of the VF-14 Vampire that not only includes both M3 and 7 designs, but also gives a (albeit unofficial) design of the VA-14 I'd be happy. Though it seems those books usually go for the more "big name" Valkyries then the cannon fodder or antagonist Valks (The VF-11 was an exception, though iirc people had found it more underwhelming compared to the rest.)
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    Finally, I can legally support this franchise! 😄 After DYRL having English as a semi-important point in the movie, and the fact this franchise was meant for international waters, this feels like a long time coming. Absolutely glad I got into this franchise last year. Hope to Zero and 7 Dynamite getting a release as well.
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    With the exception of the unmanned VF-11's the X-9 shot down it seems like Ghost Fighters usually are made to be non-transformable variable craft.
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    Sorry for not posting for a while, but I decided to revise the design of my VA-14. The issue with what I had was it mixed a bit too much design aesthetics instead of being it's own thing. (M3 VF-14 face and arms, Air Calvary Fz-109F PanzerZorn missiles and legs, etc.) So I went back to basics to make the silhouette more like the original Az-130, hence why I kept the P*L*U*S VF-14 inspired head to make it look more closer to the original Panzersoln. I also designed the variable attacker as if I was designing something for Macross 7, instead of trying to make it it's own thing like M3's VF-14. And because this was a attacker made for Zentradi specifically, I gave it a more "organic" look to it but not stray too far from the design to make it look like it didn't belong to the UN (The UNS Variable Glaug was very helpful for that.) I hope this is an improvement from before!
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    Oh, so Shinsei Industry wasn't the only company that was formed through merging. Considering how General Galaxy is involved with a lot of the more "bulkier" looking variable fighters I'm not surprised companies that made the Destroids were apart of it. I'm assuming the VF-9's and VF-17F's were not as great as Galaxy had hoped? So the foot soldiers and battlesuit/battlepod users we see in Frontier and Delta would be a minority in colony and emigrant fleet defense forces for the most part, I'm assuming? If that's the case I would assume there wouldn't be a lot of miclonization machines laying around for a sortie. In 7 we also see the likes of Veffidas (prior to Fire Bomber) and Emilia being giant around, but again, seems to be the minority. All the talk about certain fleets making VF-19's economical make me think even if it was actually accomplished it'd be way too late, even more so then the VF-19F's existence. (Probably if 7th generation Valkyries become a thing, lol.)
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    You know I wouldn't know what else to expect after putting a VF-22 engine into a Cutlass. Makes sense though, could only upgrade them for so long. I'm only familiar with the ADR-04-Mk.XV Super Defender and VF-19C/MG21 Excalibur (ironically two non-General Galaxy mechs) from their arsenal of older units. Can you elaborate more on them? Isn't that why the VB-6 had trouble with certain operations, at least in Battroid mode? (Even in it's debut in VF-X2 you could only see it if Aegis [aka you the player] transform into it iirc.) But yeah essentially a battlesuit within a battlesuit only asks for trouble. I wonder if there could be theoretically a force of mostly/all giant sized Zentradi, there's multiple options they have. It probably sounds like it could end in multiple disasters, but hey, Macross 29 opt for a complete pacifist route; so I'm not judging. Yeah, it's why I thought the VF-19F at least would've found itself in a mass numbers in regular fleets as opposed to being only relegated to special forces units. I thought the VF-171 was only introduced in 2046, so it could go through flight and combat testing. Though the 117th Research Fleet was lost in 2048, so I can imagine by that time they were mass produced and started to replace the VF-11's/VF-19's/etc. Probably would've been a good playable unit in VF-X2 if they were made before (production-wise, of course.😋)
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    So from all of that I gather the VF-171 was designed to be the most practical option of what a 4th gen Valkyrie would offer. And considering both Shinsei Industries and General Galaxy lost out with both their initial "winners," I can see why the Nightmare Plus would be a lot less extravagant. I know Block II Nightmare Plus' are what we have in Delta and Frontier, and Block IIIF units are in the Frontier movies, but it doesn't seem that there's any noticeable physical differences between the two variations. I'm assuming that also goes to the initial Block I kind (Believe Ozma himself was piloting one himself when the Varja attacked the SDFN-4 in 2048). Though I did notice the RVF-171 and VF-171EX has a new head with two sensors, but I assume the former was deployed much earlier. Would any VF-171 equip that head, thinking about it? Now that I need a reminder of. Don't think it has a official name or pics flying around either. I see, Variable craft have a life expectancy, but they last as long as they could. I'm still not used to that, considering other Real Robot series replaces their current mechs like how people switch bed sheets. I also asked since the existence of the VF-5000G would imply they still see use, albeit as exported craft in places far into the the space boonies. Although my mind comes to some of the modified VF-11's (Thunderbolt Interceptor, VF-11MAXL Custom, and VF-11D Jamming Birds) where they were given a pinpoint barrier system as a part of their upgrades. Theoretically, I'm wondering how viable it could be to get an entire fleet of VF-11's with similar needs of a AVF fighter, or at least what the VF-171 could accomplish. That does remind me of the little amount of screen time the Regults had and their way of flight in both space and the atmosphere. IIRC the tv series had their legs out so they mover vertically in space, while in DYRL the legs seem to be "crotched over" like when they were in standby. Was this just a visual liberty done for the movie or is there an explanation for it? Think I kinda like how the latter makes the Regult even more compact looking. Yeah, no kidding! On another side point, love how the VB-6's Battroid form is so huge we never get the full height counting the rail guns. And I always wondered how giant sized Zentradi could fit inside the Variable Glaug/Neo Glaug. But then I remember how very compact the Regult and regular Glaug are and I stop asking questions. 😆 Well now I can't remember if it happens in the movies or not. 😅 (Think the toliet's shown, but we don't get to see it "in action," lol.) The movies do cut out a lot of the issues people had in the show, if it helps.
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    After the Protect Pack the VF-11 got, that seems like such a downgrade, both weapons wise and visually, lol. Though It does seem like it was built around to be compatible with other Packs and armaments' the VF-171 could get. Though speaking of which, I wonder if the Nightmare Plus could be compatible with the Super Pack the VF-17 got, since they at lease share the same basic shape. With the 600 variable fighters, I wonder how "monogamous" a typical fleet would be. There's the need for Variable Attackers, Bombers, and the odd special forces fighters, but there's older units as well. Granted production wise in terms of animation it'd be easier to have only one type of craft to represent one side (At least for the protagonist side, since the Zentradi, Varauta Army, and Varja had more then one type for the main characters to fight), but considering that Kawamori says it's less on replacing, but adding new ships to what's already there (Which is true to real life as well), I wonder how common extended life services are throughout the UN's grasp to keep older ships and variable craft in service (Like the VF-1X, VF-11C, and VF-4G, maybe the VF-5000G for example) to get them operating on the modern battlefield. Speaking of the VF-4, I've been researching it a bit and I think it's interesting even with its contemporaries they tried to make the Lighting III more atmospheric friendly. Especially with the VF-4D and VF-4S for UN Navy use. I'm trying to get more data on it, but apparently the D-type had issues lifting off and landing? I'm also interested in this sketch Kawamori(?) had made of it. It seems like it's wearing its own Super Pack, though I'm not sure how "official" or not it is.
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    Right, that class. Wonder where that started to pop up as well; me guessing it was around the late 2040's like the Nightmare Plus' and AIF-4000's. I brought up those in a general sense, because that also goes for the likes of the Glaug and Nousjadeul-Ger. But yeah most would probably go for Variable Fighters anyways. Part of me wonders if the Regults and Glaug's in Delta with the extra space were a result on trying to give Zentradi at least some type of standards. 😝
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    IIRC the Spica Shock incident was the only time, official or not, we got a grasp on what a typical colony planet defense line would be (600 variable fighters, 48 destroyers, 16 cruisers, and 9 space carriers.) Emigrant fleets travelling in space seems like they just get bigger as time goes on. Though the cruisers got me interested, since I don't remember any UN ship at the time that could fufill that roll unlike the Oberth-class destroyers and ARMD-class. Researching the VF-171 Nightmare Plus, I noticed the VF-171EX variant also were equipped with it's own Super Pack. Would that be specifically for the EX Type or that can be used for all Nightmare Plus'? And any word on how much additional armaments it carries, unless it's just for a extra boost of propulsion? And a small musing since Macross II introduced battlesuits controlled by micloned pilots; considering in the main continuity we have Variable Battlepods that can be piloted by both human and giants, theoretically could there be, say Regults or Queadluun-types that could be piloted by miclones?
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    That is a fair point, I forgot about the ARMD we saw with the Macross 1 fleet. That and considering the Varauta Army and Macross Galaxy some fleets and defense lines use non-standard vessels as well.
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    Right, we don't even have any dates on when they began to be produced. Well, the VF-1 Master File states the Guantánamo class began production in 2026, but also states that 90 ships of the class were built between 2026 and 2035. I find the clain hard to believe since not only New Macross colony fleets were beginning to be sent out with many of the stealth carriers (45 specifically in the Macross 7 fleet), but it seemed from Earth's own defense line had at least 12 of them (And probably even more considering how heavily protected Earth was). The Uraga Carriers are said to be more modern replacements, and I have no idea about the Northampton class of ships where they started to pop up. I'm also reminded of the ARMD-class looking compartments from the sides of the Megaroad-class. They don't look like docked ships, but they probably served the same purpose the ARMD's attached to the Macross had. Right, and even then the Three Star Factory Ship is docked with the bridge (Though considering how unorthodox and the rest are docked with the carriers, it may be an exception then the standard.
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    With both times Docker's men fell like flies I always saw that as the series prepping up the VF-19 as the new cannon fodder anyways. 😆 Some questions I had regarding ship development. Macross 7 showed not only City 7 docking with Battle 7, but the other ships of the fleet docking with the Guantánamo and Uraga carriers (Such as the Sunnyflower and Hollywood ships, though I forgot the Three Star Factory ship docked with a Northampton stealth frigate.) It makes me wonder if the mass production of the New Macross colonization ships inspired ship-docking with smaller carriers, or the other way around. And was it ever said when the Macross Quarter and Elysion classes began to be built? A part of me wondered if the latter was built earlier, at least in a Late Universal Century (And our 21st century) sense where technology shrinks but gets more powerful.
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    Maintenance costs and the Queadluun-Rau points are ones that I didn't consider, huh. Yeah the simpler airframe the second generation VF-19's would fix those issues, but again, too little too late. Even by the time the Macross 7 was using them the VF-171 had it's first flight in 2046, so seems the over-success of the Excalibur was too big to ignore. Though I could assume even with the VF-171 in mind, since it's not the only variable fighter on sale by Frontier (Or hasn't even been adopted galaxy wide either) it's not unlikely some fleets still do have it as their main fighter.
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