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So it's not just a case of "build a city ship and battle ship, and send them both on their way as soon as possible, and call it a day" as I'd hoped. Really wished there was more elaboration with their commission and launches like there was with the Megaroad class (two being completed and launched yearly before the introduction of the New Macross class). Though, with Master File's Spica Shock, I guess the Battle 7 coming to bombard the Zentradi 1,534th Main fleet in 2037, a year before the 37th Long Distance Emigrant Fleet was launched, makes a bit more sense in that regard. The sponsorship point you made is interesting, since it seems there could be a pretty broad scale of potential sponsors for the fleets. What would have sponsored the 7 and 29?
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I've been kinda obsessed with Zentradi inspired tech from the UN Spacy/Air Force/etc., and I was kinda disappointed that there hasn't been any true artwork of the VA-14. I would've been fine with the VF-14 we see in 7 P*L*U*S as the official design, but Chronicles considers it a more heavily armed version. Regardless, here's my take on it. I still tried to keep the basic shape of the VF-14 as well as sharing some parts (Mainly the 7 P*L*U*S's head/canopy, M3's Vampire feet and arms but another large portion of the redesign came from the Fz-109F PanzerZorn of Kawamori's Air Calvary Chronicles, since he'd reuse design aspects from other suits there anyways. Criticism and feedback is well welcomed!
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Right, and with over 2000 large fleets across the entire galaxy, it's not a surprise that there'd be some variety, Heck, that can explain why we saw both TV and DYRL Queadluun-Rau's in Macross 7 Encore. Looking through the New Macross Class launch dates, I noticed the Macross Galaxy was launched 2031, a year after the first New Macross ships were launched. As it's the 21st of the known amount of NMCV's, I'm now left wondering not only it was made the 51st Long-Distance Colony Fleet when others like the Macross 7 weren't even built/launched, but how it took a decade for the Macross Frontier (The Macross 25) to be launched.
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Ah, I get the picture now. Zentradi does do planetary operations here and there, but nowhere near their standard operation. And it makes sense the UN Spacy would follow suit after they adopted their technology. Only other ships I'm aware that operate inside the atmosphere are from the games only, like the Dancing Skull's from M3, and some others that escape my mind. Now that you mentioned the Queadol Magdomilla, I do wonder if the one that belonged to the Zentradi 33rd Marine Battalion is a simple redesign with DYRL mindset that they may or may not have always looked like that, or it's a upgraded version of it.
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Funny thing is, I did install a VPN browser to use this, but I still have issues entering your site. Though I found a weird workaround by archiving your pages through the Wayback Machine. And yes, they were made by Critical Path Corporation, the Frontier novelization was weird by adding General Galaxy into the equation I suppose. Speaking of ship designs, because of Macross' more space oriented setting, I notice that not a lot of focus is on the ships that work within the atmosphere. The only ones I know of is the Quiltra Queleual Class and the SB-10/10 Starwing Heavy Bomber. iirc there's instances where vessels designed for space could also operate in the atmosphere, like Kamujin's Medium-Scale Gun Destroyer, so is it the same case with Valkyries like the VF-14 where they're optimized for space, not not strictly for it?
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Wouldn't be surprised. The Frontier novelization loved making references to the side/non-Kawamori stories (VF-X2 with the Macross 13 and Critical Path Corporation, The Ride's Chelsea and VF-19EF, etc.) Yes, exactly that. Was wondering if they were connected, but I guess it was just a coincidence. would there be any word on the Annabella Lasiodora as well? I heard VF-X2 and one Frontier story had two different background for it?
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Now that I didn't know! It would make sense considering how Zentradi were cloned instead of birthed, though I just assumed they were nondescript Zentran rebels piloting those. I wish M3 had a translation of English somewhere, but I'm assuming they weren't as fortunate as Moaramia herself? Right, I figured. I did read the 4th generation Neo Glaug bis had both a micloned and Zentran version, and I'd figure if that would be the case for the old Variable Glaug as well. I gotcha, was making sure since there was somewhat of a Zentradi tank in the DYRL Saturn/Playstation game, among other..."unique" craft in there. Still funny how out of all of that the most tame thing there was a watered down Queadluun-Rau (The Nona-type with only one back missile launcher. If they were made prior to the info that spare parts for the Rau's were getting sparse then I think they would've helped a lot, lol) You know considering the most widespread mecha in Macross are transforming fighter jets, a combining one isn't really that out of pocket. The UN probably wouldn't adopt it like the Variable Glaug though, considering it seems they prefer more smaller, easy to produce and maintain mechanics.
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The Zentradi rebel tech always fascinated me, and it's a shame that we're probably never going to see them animated. The VA-110/VBP-1 Variable/NeoGlaug has a intricate history, and I wonder if prior to the bis version from Macross: The Ride, if the UNS Types ones saw widespread use for both micloned and Zentran pilots. I'd also be curious if there's more infor on the Feios Valkyrie other then just popping once in a while with rogue Zentradi factions. Though, I don't think there'd be any info (or non-obscured art) of this thing from M3, just that it's called "Zentradi Final Weapon." Though there is the Gjagravan-Va from VF-X2, and it got me curious, is it said to be created by Zentradi rebels, or it just so happens to be old tech Black Rainbow got their hands on? I'm aware the Zentradi is more space oriented, but considering the Regult and Quiltra Queleual Class, they do have the means to do planetary operations if needed.
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Would they be at least visually identical to the ARMD class, or it's a different design from the TV/movie design? Or it's just not well established like the VA-14 or VAB-2? Ah, I misremembered then. I also noticed they were on the surface of the planet too when they woke up the Protodevlin, and it got me thinking. even with Valkyries like the VF-4, VF-14, and VF-19F designed more for space, what stops them for being used under the atmosphere?
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I reckon it's either that to fill in some gaps between 2012 Flashback and Plus, or a specialized emigrant ship like the SDFN class. Honestly still intriguing regardless. The ARMD-II class? Didn't know there was more then the two docked with the original Macross. I'm assuming they were for early emigrant fleets prior to the functionally similar Guantánamo Class? Interesting...Though, it seems Macross 11 also utilized Island Clusters as well. Pretty quick advancement of technology either way, since the Macross 7's commission date is only mere years after Macross 25/Frontier's (2038 to 2041) The Nightmare always had a specialized role compared to the VF-11 and the intended use for the VF-19, so that seems right. Speaking of Special Forces Valkyries, I believe Macross Chronicle stated the VF-14 we see in 7 PLUS is a special operations unit itself as opposed to being the VA-14 fans believed so due to the shape of the canopy. Even though it's more of a justification to why it doesn't match Kawamori's finalized design for the Vampire, it doesn't seem unbelievable, since not only that was an elite team sent to Varauta IV, and the VF-14's has a easy to maintain/customizable airframe.
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Interesting, so they're from the same era of the YF/VF-19 and YF-21. As for the Zentradi Type ships, the only thing that I could get from them is the Macross Mecha Manual, where the Northamptons were built around the 2030's, and the Neo Nupetiet-Vergnitzs bis says it served colonization fleets in the 2040's, so they're implied they've been around for a bit before the Macross 5's construction. I tried to do some digging to see if any word has been said about the VF-17's deployment. the Japanese wikipedia page for it says commissions for it begin was around 2037, two years after its first flight. Makes sense to me, considering the time it needs for testing evaluation, and the Thunderbolt, Vampire, and Messiah had the same time gap. I would assume it'd also be like a VF-25 Messiah and/or VF-X-11 situation where there's multiple prototype units but they're not in official service. I assume around 1 million is the maximum compacity a City-class ship can hold if the Macross 1 can hold that many people. I find it interesting that both Macross 1 and 5 fleets show multiple NMCV vessels from what little we see of them (Well, intact anyways) I'm assuming the Marcoss 7 began having a lone NMCV with extra specialized ships, and the rest followed suit? This is from Delta I'm assuming? I only caught the first episode, but is it officially said if it belongs to the New Macross Class?
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iirc On a side note, I always found it intriguing when we see refitted Zentradi mechanics, or Zentradi-based UN mechanics to show how much they made a impact to advance human technology, especially with the likes of the entire Macross 5 fleet. Though I noticed it looked very different compared to the Macross 1,3, and 7, and it seemed until the Island Cluster class all of them (at least the Battle ships) looked the same regardless. So I'm wondering if Battle and/or City 5 was the odd one out or the battleships always didn't follow a set design. And to segway from one General Galaxy creation to another (I believe all the NMCV's were made by them, unless I'm mistaken), I know the VF-17 Nightmare had its first flight in 2035, is it said what year it was first put in active service? I'm also curious when the Queadluun-Rhea, Zentradi Type Northampton class and Neo Nupetiet-Vergnitzs bis were also first put into service, and if the latter two were specifically for the 35th long-distance emigrant fleet. I'm aware of the Master File's "non-official" status, but it's interesting how they give out some insight into the small pockets in the vast world of Macross. I've read about the New Macross Class ships that are named there, such as the Macross Andromeda and Macross Olympus. Is there any elaboration if they are the 1st generation NMCV's, or the Island Cluster class?
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Ah, I see. would make more sense for emigrant fleets to be more passive in that case, since the Megaroad class didn't have any offensive capabilities. Though I can imagine in the situation like with 100 or such ships as you explained Kaiba, some colonies would be more willing then others to intergrate Zentradi. (especially with the New UN being more decentralized by Frontier.) Now that I say it, I've been looking up articles of the mechanics of the franchise for a bit, and I notice some are used for "immigration fleets" (Like the New Macross Class) and others for "emigration fleets" (The Megaroad class and where the VF-14 is prioritized for). What would be the difference in the context for UN's plan to spread humanity throughout the galaxy? IIRC most of the ships launch from Earth (and some from Eden)
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Hello, been a Macross fan fairly recently (Since November), but I've already been hooked with almost the entire franchise (there's only Delta), and I'm curious to learn more. I've been curious about a certain thing in the world of the franchise. I know in Macross II "Lost Zentradi" were dealt with the Minmay Attack, rendering them to be considered a non-threat. But in the main continuity it seems the default reaction from a UN colony in the advent of a Zentradi fleet, big or small, is to annihilate them on sight like with the Chlore Fleet in 7. iirc I read once of Project M's purpose in researching song energy in Macross 7 was to expose uncultured Zentradi through music during the battlefield. This is making me wonder prior to that, could there have been instances in the main continuity that there was a Zentran fleet that was "Culture Shocked" like Gol Boddole Zer's fleet prior to the events of 7?
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