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While I agree, those parts get really hard to take off... there's absolutely no reason to take them off for transformation. The part rotates so you don't ever have to remove it (for transformation purposes).

Yamato should have made this a 1/72 kit. Then, if it sold well to the model builders in their favorite scale maybe that would have been an indication of possible 1/60 toy scale sales. Oh well, I still think this thread ought to be in the models section. I would expect it to be full of models fans either thrilled about it or poopooing it... not full of angry toy fans upset about a model being made (although i understand it means a toy version is now unlikely). AFAIK, model fans see some pretty pricey products, I doubt they'll hit as much sticker shock as the toy fans who balk at Toynami's Battlepod costing nearly $30.

This thing shouldn't cost any more than the DX Quarter. The DX quarter has functioning gun turrets and some solid metal joints with ratchets and seems to be similar (if not more) complicated in design.

This may sound a little creepy odd but can we make it so we can PM ourselves again? The board gives an error message about hwo that's not allowed but I did it all the time on the old board. It's a good way to transfer text data from one computer to another via websites I know aren't blocked (lots of work computers don't allow access to common email programs for fear of people downloading viruses).

Bummer. Can I steal your pic and use it on anymoon.com whenever I have the chance to update that post?

While I'd put Miria in Q-Rau well above Leia in dress you can include me in the group that would have much preferred the green TV version over the 2 DYRL variants we got. EDIT - bought both the Max and Miria Raus... I think both were slightly marked down but I'm sure someone somewhere still made money on them.

This makes me want a JM2.0 really bad

I find it highly unlikely Yamato would make a kit and then produce a toy version even if the kit sold like gang-busters (and at $400 it'll probably be very limited and there won't be much to gain from how quickly it sells out). Yamato would have to wait years before they could make a toy version as to not burn all the kit buyers.

I'm glad that Regult is a kit and not a toy... I would have purchased a toy but I don't mind saving some money. If they ever do make a toy I'm sure to own one. Shouldn't this thread be moved to the models section?

If MIB is just taking the appearance of Locke, and has not been reborn in some way as Locke, then what does it matter that Locke was a candidate? I thought MIB just had to convince someone to kill Jacob? EDIT - I reread this and it's pretty poorly worded. I realize he has not been reborn "as Locke" but rather as something Locke-inspired.

I'm pretty sure none of this is your fault. Hurin just had a bone to pick. I told him it was perfectly acceptable to think of MIB's death as a transformation and made a butterfly analogy. He then summarized his argument by saying I never considered that maybe the MIB was like a butterfly, shedding his one existence to enjoy another. So... yeah... whatevs. On to the next point though, if there's nothing special about the MIB being Locke, why the big ruse? Why didn't the MIB assume the form of someone who had died previously, convince the survivors that there was a malevolant force, and kill Jacob a long time ago? What kind of plan is: 1) People will be brought here by Jacob 2) I will watch people, maybe kill a few 3) People will escape... but I'll convince one of them to bring them all back 4) I will hope the one I've convinced kills one person in particular 5) They will return 6) I will assume the now dead one's identity 7) I will convince my stooley to kill Jacob I will then convince the people brought here to kill each other 9) I will leave We already saw MIB send Richard to kill Jacob. Why not act like Echo's brother when Echo arrived on the island. Have him say "OMG, there's this guy here who has been tormenting me." Echo would have slit Jacob's throat, the end.

Am I sorta dumb... or did the writers have him leave behind a CORPSE?? Again, you're going back to semantics. He's not dead... he's "transformed". Yes, he transformed from a physical entity, with a body, to a spirit. Some people call that "dying." How is your argument over whether or not "dead" is the right term NOT a matter of semantics? Times MIB will come back from "dead" to be "living" (although, maybe 'living' is the wrong term): 1) When Jacob "transformed" him from a person with a body to a corpse and a black smokey monster. 2) When the black smokey monster transformed itself into (un)Locke as the rules seemed to have changed at that point making it capable of leaving the island... the "loophole" as Jacob put it. Now, stop being intellectually dishonest. What troubled you was why the MIB was being referred to as "dead". Now you're changing the focus of your argument onto one sentence of my original post. Go ahead now and argue with me over whether or not the instances I've allude to really represent someone coming back from the grave. An argument there would be pretty useless though, those are the things I said I hope the show would expound upon. I've already asked my questions about the first rebirth:

So, because in your head you had built this up to be an argument of more than semantics, the fact it was just an argument over semantics makes me an idiot? Apology accepted... but you're going to have to work on being more gracious the next time I hand you your ass in an argument.

Wait, arguing your points is arguing semantics? If your points themselves were not a case of arguing semantics then wouldn't I have been unable to do what I just did? How is the idiocy on my part when your arguments are all so easily defeated? Why would what you "originally" said be off limits? Isn't the fact your argument had no substance proof it was just a case of semantics as I originally point out? I love the "now that you grasp what I was saying originally". My original quote said: The guy has a corpse... it's okay to say he died. If you prefer to think of him as a butterfly, and his corpse is just the remnants of his cocoon, and he did not die but elevated to some other plane... that's cool too. Where are you finding something new from that in my "he's dead, he has a corpse" rant?

Now that that's out of the way, why would the MIB be "distilled malevolance"? It seems him who has been wronged pretty hardcore in the backstory we were given. Was he wrong in seeking vengeance against the woman who raised him? Well yeah... but she thanked him twice while dying. Does the light suck away all that is good of a person and just leave the bad? Is that why MIB had a corpse... did Jacob simply kill everything good in him (including his physical body) leaving a rampaging negative spirit in its wake? These are the answers I look forward to when we get to meet the "new" MIB (or at least, that's what I hope is about to happen).

This has been the silliest argument I've seen in a while. because he has a corpse. and now his physical body is a CORPSE. All would be true... if he were NOT a corpse. He's dead... he's a corpse. He continues to exist on DIFFERENT plane but it's pretty hard to argue that he isn't dead... cause he has a corpse. I'm saying he's dead... which is true. I'm not saying "he has ceased to exist." I'm hopeful that we will see Jacob's first encounter with the re-manifested MIB in the next episode. Now simmer down... simmer...

I'm a douche, I'm an idiot... and it's me who is the incendiary one? Well Sir, I genuinely appreciate your magnanimous decision to stop insulting me over my understanding of corpses equating physical death.

Man you protest too much. The guy has a corpse. Would you argue with me that a ghost is still alive? Well yes, you would, because you love to argue. "No officer, it's cool, I didn't kill this guy whose corpse I'm dragging because I saw an apparition." It's pretty cool that Jacob can't hurt the MIB... but he can bludgeon him and turn him into a corpse (but not kill him... the other kind of turning him into a corpse). C'mon, use your catch phrase now... I love it. I asked if MIB had become Smokey as some means of Limbo from being killed by a man who couldn't kill him. You're saying "He wasn't killed, he just BECAME Smokey and left a corpse behind in the process". I appreciate you finding worlds of difference in the two sentences.

Don't forget, Bandai just made 1/55 VF-1A Max and Hikaru in DYRL schemes in their chunky line... If Bandai gets into mold-milking I don't think it's a stretch to expect those schemes.

Hurin you kill me. "He's not dead! I want to argue semantics!!!" The show's a wee bit convoluted for all that. The guy has a corpse... it's okay to say he died. If you prefer to think of him as a butterfly, and his corpse is just the remnants of his cocoon, and he did not die but elevated to some other plane... that's cool too.

I was kind of "meh" on that episode. I suppose in the next episode we'll see MIB reborn in some fashion. I don't get all the "you can't come back from being dead" stuff... except for the guy who keeps coming back from being dead. Is he stuck in some sort of purgatory because Jacob was under a spell that kept him from killing his brother but he went ahead and killed his brother anyway? Is this going to link to Sayid's coming back and the "infection" that was referred to earlier? I dunno, not a whole lot of time left. How did the lady kill everyone at the camp? Why didn't she just do that earlier before her son left her to join them? The one bright spot would be the wrapping of the mystery of who built the wheel that moves the island... otherwise I can't help but feel we could have gotten a whole lot more out of an episode focusing on Jacob and his brother.

Creepy? Nah, no fanfic (well, other than what I just wrote above). After I wrote it I went to bed and thought of more stuff... it really could have been a fanfic. I was thinking you could justify my little story above in an accompanying art book to appease the diehard fans. You wouldn't mention it at all in the new show but in the book you could elaborate saying that the Invid Exodus caused a universal change in existing Protoculture which rendered it inert. All lifeforms that had been created using any form of protoculture-based technology then became unstable and began dying off in masses. Protoculture's becoming inert at that point would also explain why Roy Hunter would know it as something ancient. Within the context of the new cartoon I outlined, you then never have to mention "Zentraedi" or "Robotech Masters" outside of that one vague sentence I fanfic'ed. Sure, lots of fans might be sad to think they'd never see Miria, Dana, Breetai, Exedore, etc. but the truth is most of those couldn't be seen properly in a Robotech show again any way.

It makes sense that people would see Macross and ask if it were going to be part of Robotech because the title "Macross" actually appears in Robotech. Even if they were somewhat more educated it's inarguable that Macross anime would be amongst the easiest to shoehorn into Robotech... in many instances it features the same vehicles as used in Robotech AND there's a tradition there. It also makes sense that many Robotech fans aren't the most informed anime fans, they grew up in a time when anime was relatively hard to get and Robotech had very broad appeal. From there it makes sense that the anime they do like is similar to Robotech as their appetite for mecha anime was clearly whet by Robotech. Why don't they like the anime about the comedical going-ons of 13 year old girls? Probably because their 30 years old and they only let themselves like mecha anime for sentimental reasons. Robotech was a phenomenon because it had broad, sweeping appeal. It was the kind of appeal that turned people who weren't staunch cartoon devotees into fans. Those hardcore anime people (like the kind who post on forums) represent a subsection of anime that is so small anime can not survive on them alone. Shadow Chronicles fails on several levels. Every generation after the Macross Saga had a gap and left Rick Hunter off somewhere in the cosmos. IMHO they should have done the same thing with Shadow Chronicles. I can come up with about a billion scenarios I think would have been more accessible to first time viewers while retaining the old-timers. For example, make it 18 years after the Invid have left Earth. Introduce us to a plucky young orphan named Roy Hunter being raised by his uncle Max Sterling. Don't even bother with all the backstory. Have Roy join the military when he hears that an SOS beacon from the ship his father was the captain of has been tracked down in some distant corner of the universe. Have him get to some distant space station and be introduced to his commanding officer, Scott Bernard. Then his ship goes out in search of the SOS beacon, encounters a new enemy while troubles brew within the ship, and in the end Roy finds out what happened to his dad. It could be a story that functions entirely on its own, with a new cast of characters and mecha, that is only bolstered by its relationship to the original shows, not completely dependent on them. Edit - doing this would also let you get rid of all ties to terms that should be dead in Robotech. You could have a scene where, upon hearing that a distress beacon has been heard, Max tells Roy about the last time he saw his father: "We were on the far side of the universe having been at war for four years. Our Protoculture supplies were all but depleted..." "Protoculture? You still used that stuff?" "Yes, it wasn't until a couple years later that "unobtainium" was discovered. Now, where was I, oh yes, your parents were on the capital ship heading toward the enemy stronghold. My wife took my position as squadron leader and I was transported to the medical ship to receive treatment for my wounds (points to robotic knee). Your parents sent you along with me as you were only a month old. During the battle the capital ship took extensive damage and folded away to safety... and that was the last anyone saw of it. We sent a few ships out to look for her once the smoke cleared but the plague that killed off our allies The Masters and their genetically engineered armies left us so under-manned we had to cut the rescue effort short."

kudos... that looks great so far -

I replace your subjectivity with my own! Waaah waaah... You like Southern Cross, we get it, good for you. Mospeada did much better than Southern Cross did, mostly 'cause it wasn't as bad. Sorry you disagree. Those of you saying "Robotech wasn't a gateway to anime" are viewing it well outside of context. Back in the 80s there was all sorts of publicity about Robotech which generated publicity for anime in general. Macek said it was a remark in a news article that the japanese import Robotech was more popular than a Disney release that was in theaters that triggered the creation of Robotech: the movie. How much actually came from all that? It's tough to say... but it's easy to say the small handful of anecdotes from people in this thread won't even scratch the surface of 80s reality.