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The SDF-01 is an evil ship and the demonic technology was never meant to be in mankind's hands. Too much power attracts powerful people seeking it. 1999 was when it crashed on earth. 1999 upside down gives you three sixes. (its supposed to be apocalyptic end of the world stuff. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse_of_August_11,_1999 What happened when we didn't give the toy to the giants? They laser bombarded earth. Imagine if you were a superhero and the super villain held your family hostage once they knoew your secret identity? Same thing. The power of the tech makes militant races want to steal it. And they will do anything to get it even if it means killing off everyone that gets in their way. Revelation 9 verse 11 talks about the destroyer/apollyon. September 11 was when human made peace with the rebel faction of the aliens to fight the alien boss in DYRL. What was it that destroyed Bodolza? The SDF-01/the Destroyer. It's power was needed by the zentradi to control others and was succesfully used against them to destroy them, saving the few lives of the crew. But If the tech had never crashed onto earth, humans would be living in peace and the only fighting is small fights amongst humans. The guy who said macross is evil wasn't far off. I occult numerology the number 11 is considered an evil number. So events are planned on the date because what goes on in the heavens reflects what happens on earth and what happens on earth will change what happens in the heavens. "as above so below" as magicians mystics etc say.So they used certain dates as magically significant times to do spells as the gates are open to the other world etc etc As I said before if you analyse a lot of the science fiction movies you can see symbolism and pagan stuff hidden in plain sight. Usually giving honor to the sun god Osirus/Nimrod. I told you people wouldn't understand it.. But it means stuff to the artists who put it in the entertainment. Occult numerology is in this stuff but you need to look for it to see it to decode the meaning. (usually one is hidden while the other is obvious) Want peace? You got to learn to use tech responsibly or you'll get people killing each other with it or killing each other to obtain it. This is why peace through force can not solve the world's problems. I guess that was the point of the Atlanteans and Protoculture. All that sicnece and tech but no wisdom. And if the SDF-01 falls into human hands that means we have inherited the curse as others (all the other aliens) who don't have that power will inevitably see it as oppression when the humans don't get what they want and then they use the tech to enslave and boss them around through force. Remember that one shot from the main gun can kill great numbers of alien ships. Despite being a warlike culture, I don't blame the aliens for going apeshit and wanting to have it. Remember the protoculture were the race that actually enslaved them and brainwashed them, so that makes humans far deadlier than usual. Macross = Apollyon/The destroyer. Without all the tech would people have as easy a time to dominate other people and oppress? Nope because it would be risky and that risk is taken away when weapons start getting too powerful and easy to obtain. Who are the losers in wars? It's you and your kids because you get caught up in the fighting and forced to take part even if you don't believe in the reasons for the fighting and killing. Putting faith in the god of forces is what causes so much death. There will probably be a lot more symbolism in future shows but you got to pay attention and analyse it. Is technology good? Is technology bad? That's not the point. If you are human you are imperfect. So that's why people keep misusing it. All these shows have a spiritual message for you and yes it's just entertainment. But within the stories are characters who are representative of certain types of people in real world that exist today. I just prefer that all the shows focus on consequences for bad actions and the danger element that we got from previous macross shows which made audience think. The new shows have characters which really we don't care about because it's unbalanced and it has gotten away from drama. DYRL and SDFM had the magic ingredients. Frontier had cool animated battle sequence. Mac 7 probably the best music imo. But what I'd like is something closer to SDFM but with gundam unicorn type realism of characters. (grounded in reality) Something that makes us think "what is the purpose of trying to control others with the technology and assume that "we aren't the dangerous ones?" Why is it that "everyone else is evil and wants to kill us and we are morally superior to the aliens so we got to bring peace to them because they can't have peace themselves because only we are the good guys who can bring peace to them" (peace using force that is lol) Something that forces people to reflect and look at themselves in the mirror a bit you know? You can have your pop idols and cool mecha porn, and still put in a spiritual message about what peace really is. It's not using weapon to kill people so that you can take their stuff and ensure peace for your own race/species/nation. What real peace is: not letting evil within yourself take over so that you don't harm other people and tread on their rights to exist and by doing this you can avoid the need to kill stuff because you let go of the materialistic need to covet stuff that's not yours all the time. Many of these shows glorify killing too much and lack critical thinking about our world that we live in today. There has not been a time in human history that we have not been at war against something. It's time macross grows up I guess. Humans are not the good guys. we are far from it. We are a mixture of bad and good and struggle with evil. You could paint the external threat as evil and say "that is the bad guy". But really they are just like us. UC Gundam does this succesfully and the effect of it is you care a bit when a bad guy dies. If we are descended from the protoculture than we are guilty of using science and also abusing it for selfish purposes in competition with other races who are similar. I think that makes for better story than one where we are the only peaceful race that exists and everyone is evil while we have pure intentions. It's just not realistic. A good movie is "The Thing". (John Carpenter) http://weirdfictionreview.com/2012/03/underneath-the-skin-john-carpenters-the-thing-and-you/ What exactly is the "thing". It's US! Man is the scariest horror monster we we fight against ourself. There is meaning there. And it's not coincidence that the alien is portrayed as a being that looks like us and kills us. We are the Thing. The Thing is us. We kill each other all the time! That's the deep message of the movie. Is it a piece of entertainment too? Yeah. But it's saying something about society and ourselves and forces you to think. We like to create monsters but what if we have horror movie that isn't a ugly thing but which can look just like ourselves and then you can't tell the difference if the monster is there with you in the room or if it is indeed dead and you can relax? You are forced to decide that labelling something evil by its appearance is silly and you realise that we need to analyse our own behavior and actions and the consequences our own actions have on the world around us because we are ten times worse than the ugly monster if we don't deal with "the thing". (ie our own problems of evil inside us)

I am tempted to buy this arcadia stand for yf-19. Still wondering why arcadia didn't include one with the yf-19 like they did for sv-51. The big footprint doesn't bother me much since I only have one or two toys on display and keep everything else boxed up. Too many things cluttering the shelves looks bad. Your eyes should focus on the one thing and the environment around it being empty makes the overall display look clean. Minimalism. ..Just like the old yamato boxes with bare background and in the middle just the letters of the mecha and nothing else to tell us what is actually in the box. lol Less detail on the box actually makes it stand out more in a crowd of boxes with busy covers.

Ivanov crap his pants when he saw it. He probably thought "frakk me. I want one of those too."

Big West should just give bandai a timed exclusive. This will mean if bandai do a crap job after Arcadia dies off one day and Bandai feels it is now 'safe' to make crap macross toys again like the v1 VF-25, then they (Big West) can hand the license to other toy companies as an insurance policy for when bandia decide to just not release any new toys because they are too involved with their own gundam stuff to care. Keep their options open I say.. I guess blow up nanase dolls are going to be arcadia next big project once they have done all the valks they have been allowed to do. Or giant YF-19 gunpod or something that nobody here is going to care for.

Nah Black Sabbath is the devil. Unless kawamori takes a risk and puts in a heavy metal band and the character takes a drug that makes him a super pilot whose skills in combat are demonically guided by protodevlin to increase his kill ratios. (finally they can have an assassin character in these stories who goes on shooting massacres that is not a reluctant hero but enjoys shooting targets in line with today's xbox gamers playing call of duty.) Of course he is better than all the previous pilots because he is supernaturally protected by his machine that is also posessed by demons like that black car in bubblegum crisis. Ok so it wasn't posessed but it took a ton of effort to stop. The only thing that kills him is dying from overdose.

I don't think everything symbolic = secret. Macross 7 had max being its captain and we know 7 is the lucky number. They had 7 kids. Why do we think 7 is sacred? 7 days in a week. 7 = rest day (sabbath). James Bond is the 007 so he can never be killed. Yes it's not secret/occult. But you can't deny there was not symbolism in macross plus too. The name of the planet being Eden. Sharon "Apple". The forbidden fruit is often pictured to be the apple that Eve ate when the serpent tempted mankind etc. And why does the technology have to project the image of a wicked witch in the movie edition trying to put humans into a spell? It's no different from trying to decipher the meaning of lyrics in your fave rock songs. You can also see it in your fave movies. Kubrick's last movie dealt with orgies and secret societies. It's not obvious to little kids what the hell it was about but those who probably hear about that stuff would understand what it is about. Pagans engaged in this stuff in ancient times. Images are forms of communication just as much as words. The bible uses numbers to indicate certain things: 7 seals, 7 bowls of judgement, 7 trumpets, 7 vials, these are just ones in book of revelation. You got 7 churches etc This is just my opinion but Macross Plus = the plus symbol is a cross. Myung is the sacrificial lamb being crucified that the "pagan witch" (ancient rome was pagan) known as sharon apple will use to attain her power from. And I guess the brainwashed masses in the crowd chanting sharon apples name are the church goers who are idol worshipping the technology as their new god. When the giant SDF-1 rises up it is like a God and all the watchers are witnesses of a demonic possession taking place of the giant idol they worship. (ie the pop idol known as sharon apple who has everyone in a trance and isn't really a living being except in the minds of the men who created it) The young kids of today are always listening to music which tells them stuff o make them depressed or want to become rebelious to anger their parents. And I supposed the story is you can't trust in the fake music. Real music is pleasing to your ears and soothing and good for you. The bad music makes you into a zombie who is mind controlled. (ie just like the zentradi when they lust for bloodshed) The difference between what sharon was doing and the protoculture were doing is sharon was putting them into a sleep state while the zentradi were being censored from the truth of their past. The plus symbol is a cross. Eden is the name of the planet. 7 years is how long it took to put the rape victim's mind to rest. (7 is rest day) The main villain character wanted to absorb myung's soul and steal her personality like a demon trying to find a host body. Sharon = the apple or forbidden fruit that scientist bit that began the rebellion in paradise. (because the AI wouldn't have been able to do what it did without us) Eden (named after the the biblical Garden of Eden) was the paradise we had (we were ignorant and blissfully so like Adam and Eve before the serpent came along and messed with our heads) before we used the forbidden knowledge (the forbidden fruit in the garden of eden) of artificial intelligence to make ourselves into gods but who couldn't handle the power responsibly and fell out of paradise. (loss of peace) That's what I mean by symbols. It doesn't have to be hidden so much as it is there to tell a story inspired by real things or legends from past. We all know of the garden of eden story. It's not hidden. but it appears in Plus symbolically. Science fiction is full of this stuff. But you got to look for it by analysis. Incidentally certain valkyrie names: macross frontier has lucifer (the fallen angel that led the rebellion in heaven against God) and the good guy is given the messiah. (it's a white robot) More religious/mythical/ancient legend stuff.

I have an interest in demonology and symbolism. Many Stanely Kubrick stuff is full of this. When you watch movies and analyse the symbols you can find a lot of hidden meaning inside them. There are some interesting things in star wars for instance about the images in it and the deep spiritual messages. I see that same stuff in macross too. But you do have to have an interest in this stuff to see and realise many people interested in the occult also work in the entertainment so its no stretch to expect that in the story. The latest games with science fiction worlds like Destiny borrow off earlier games like phantasy star and that borrows off star wars. (japanese rp off george lucas just as disney rips off Kimba the White Lion for inspiration for the Lion King) Light versus dark good versus evil. It's in gundam where wars are fought over tech but neither side can agree with who is the real "right" and who is the real "wrong" and so they have realistic motivations for killing each other just like in the real world. The art mirrors what is in the real world. Demons? How does that relate to military technology? It relates because much of the knowledge of killing stuff dates way back to the past when people had dreams to unite everything into single power using weapons that can control all other powers. Novels like Lord of the rings are just fantasy novels but ......they are also messages about where we are going to be going in future. Because this was written by an author who obviously wanted a war story. Yes to children they are just wizards and warriors but to adults its the military industrial complex and power mad people trying to bring babylon system of rule back. (one leader, one army, one system to rule other systems with spritual leader who uses power to rule rather than wisdom and common sense) "But the space demon stuff in macross 7 is not suitable for science, its magic. I hate floating rocks from he macross zero shows and shamanism has no place in a show about fighter planes!" In the real world some scientists engage in the dark arts too. Is it possibly your science fiction is closer to reality than you know? do youtube search on richard hoagland. There is a lot of interesting books out there on the history of space programs and the links to occult so the people who have different beliefs than the mainstream ones do in fact influence the direction we are heading just as the SDF-1 landing on earth influenced the fate of humans and earth when the Giant aliens laser bombarded the entire surface and Global sensed it was an evil omen. When hitler (who was into the occult) was losing the war many of the scientists working on rocket tech came to america under "project paperclip" to secretly continue working on the technology. Where does all this knowledge come from? I believe the beings we consider demons aliens (ufologists always attribute ufo to be from aliens and point out that the government is hiding stuff) to be the same spirits of ancient times helping certain figures in history to guide the future. Do research into the vril society as one example here. What you see in the entertainment and science fiction imo is technologies that actually exist but which the public isn't allowed to know about but is ok to present to us all as sci fi. The military naturally puts occult symbols in their logos and NASA logo as hints to the people who are already interested in this stuff but the public is ignorant of what the symbols mean. Occult just means secret ok? I could come up with a symbol, and not tell people what it means. If I use imagery to tell a story I could use those symbols to put a double meaning into everything. One for the public and one for myself. So what I am saying is in macross and science fiction in general, you have these symbols inside the shows too. It's not meant for those who are kids to understand but part of a message. Just like the star wars movies have the meaning about the "new world order" in the prequel trilogy, (ie the sith lord uses the Trade Federation to present a threat to the peaceful republic government; where all aliens have an equal say, with the agenda to turn it into a militant empire later on, whilst using a response to that threat he built himself in secret in the form of clone soldiers with elite skills to fight the Trade Federation, and then proving that he is the "hero" that saved us from a dangerous threat, later disbanding the Jedi council (the wise expert or moral authority in peaceful times) to then conquer all the alien races as the one and only leader with no aliens having a say anymore in decision making. The transformation of Republic into a evil empire by 3 steps 1. creating a false threat, (which you fund - ie the droid army) 2. having a 'solution' to a threat you created in the first place (the clone soldiers or 'heroes') and 3. using the public's trust in these fancy brainwashed clone soldiers who just saved society from evil droids to now kill the good guys (the jedi who want peace and freedom but are seen as rebels instead of heroes). This is known as Thesis, anti thesis, Synthesis. 1. create problem. Observe the predictable reactions of people to that problem you created and wait for them to come complaining to you for a solution. 2. create solution to the problem which gives you more power over the public through fear and manipulation of public's emotions.in the form of a change in laws so that people are now slaves of the fake hero because they are scared droids are coming to kll them all if they don't give up their rights or individual powers. 3. merge the droid with the clone soldier (the two sides you funded and controlled) into one empire now that you conquered both sides and convinced people to give up freedom for security by manipulating their emotions and not letting them think anymore. You think prequel trilogy star wars was for little kids? Yes on the surface but its got prarrallels with what is happening in the real world right now. People will give into a fear of something, people will not use logic or use wisdom because of laziness, people will give praise to a warrior king who rules by fear because it offers promise of security. It's nothing new in the real world but to science fiction nerds it makes for interesting story. On the surface we can lie and say it's just a story for entertainment, but the truth is much of the entertainment is inspired by the real world. The main villain is interesting as it could be you: you give into emotions, you let emotions cloud your judgement, and you can give up freedom when you are scared of something (real or imagined). Anakin is as much a victim as a bad guy which makes him deep and interesting just like Char or Sephiroth. And the fact he was once a good guy (just like Boromir in the Lord of the Rings) makes him just like a real world person. You guys want more gritty and realistic stuff, what I am saying is you can get this but we shouldn't expect a happy ending all the time since our world isn't happy. The problem is spiritual/moral and technology by ruling over others using brute force isn't going to be as interesting as a science fiction show that deeply analyses us as humans. It's the difference between making a show purely for entertainment and art. When I think of realistic I mean a story where characters are kinda close to the real world. Sure you can give them crazy sci fi fashion and hairdo's and funny futuristic customs, but deep inside that sci fi universe you have a message about the real world around outside that fictional universe you created. District 9 for example was all about immigrants. The immigrants were the ugly dirty looking lobster people. On the surface it was just about futuristic aliens. But to adults it was about corporations stealing technology to use for increasing power and racism. United nations is not "just japan in the future". In SDFM it had people from all races in it. So the excuse that japanese audience wouldn't get it is silly since sci fi movies always depict multiple races with different languages and all that trying to struggle to get along. Making a show that appeals to international audience > one that aims at narrow audience with very specific taste. In gundam you had those multiple factions with their own beliefs and the latest entry (gundam Unicorn) handled that realistically. The big greedy Vist foundation wanted to keep getting rich, they had motivation to keep secrets so they could have leverage over others. and the good guys just wanted to do what they thought was right. But the audience has wiggle room to determine whether what the good guy did was right or wrong. There is no clear cut right or wrong. You could see from many different perspectives and opinions from characters in the show what the war was really about so you got a much more deep and realistic universe. That is what I mean by realistic. You got it in SDFM where you didn't have music as a silver bullet all the time. Kamjin still had strong will to do harm even after culture shock, so there was a need for a strong military and as long as there are immoral people you will never solve the problem of fighting and wars. Good people can also do evil things. Bad guys can do things that are good. In macross plus it was a more mature analysis of the characters than you get in other shows: The white knight isn't always so white. The reblious guy isn't always the immature one. The guy (Guld) accusing the other guy of being reckless is himself psycho, and the immature guy comes off as hero because he takes risks which are exactly the thing needed to push technology to its potential. So you as audience never really know the character deeply enough if you don't analyse deeply. The message is pioneers need to have balls and be reckless to gain anything and make new discoveries. Not all of us are pioneers but obviously there is a need for leaders and trail blazers or the robots will replace you and you are no better than a machine. Where does this happen in the real world? In art science where actual discovery and researching new things actually changes society but it might be risky if you don't find anything. 1. interesting bad guy 2. humans are not the good guy all the time (Dyson is an dick, dyson is human) 3. message (being dull and doing the same thing others already did before is not an achievement worth celebrating. ) those are the three things you need to get me to think of the sci fi as being realistic. You can create fake tech that doesn't exist in the real world but I think if it doesn't have realistic consequences when characters do stuff there is no reason to care what happens in it. And if it doesn't have any central message I don't see it as art. In macross 7 they did have space demons. But the way they were presented didn't seem apocalyptic. If they were to introduce stuff like that I think it would be less cheesy if it was revealed that we opened up the dimension to let them into our world through our hatred. And that fueled a need for them to use their energy to feed off our negative emotions. But they presented it in a more commercial way where the song would be the "silver bullet" that automatically wins the day just like super robot show. Its popular, but barely rewatchable.

Very interesting. Occult numerology. Macross Plus had a bit of symbolism. For instance when Myung was hung by those wires by Sharon Apple (sort of like jesus) and the planet names like Eden (Garden of Eden from the Bible where the original sin occured) and the 7 years of the three friends not seeing each other. (7 is a sacred number - 7th day being sabbath, And the Jews have a thing called jubilee which is 7 cycles of 7 to make the 49th year special for people who were in debt and could have debts forgiven) And the prayer-like pose Guld does when he must think to control the machine with his mind. Don't forget the 9-11 symbolism from Do You Remember Love hehe. In revelation 9, verse 11: "And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the greek name tongue has his name Apollyon." (ie "the Destroyer") The antichrist is considered to be the old pagan "God of War" Nimrod who was an expert killer and warrior king who defy the God of Gods and after his death many alternate nature-worship religions sprang up around the world with different versions of Nimrod to make him their god because people liked the protection a warrior could bring. At the end of days this spirit will rise out of the Abyss (the bottomless pit) to reign supreme over mankind again much like Nimrod in ancient babylon. Many christian believe since man is born into sin we automatically follow in the footsteps of Satan due to temptation that happened in the garden of eden. The only saving grace being that God sent a Son to be the sacrifice to wipe away the sin so that man can be ritually clean enough to go into the kingdom of heaven to be in the presence of God, the Father of all creation. Creation/life is the opposite of destruction/death. Is it a coincidence that 9-11 was also the date for terrorist attacks? This could be hints that occultists are given legal authority by God to set up mankind for a big fall whenever the christian morals start to decay and society is pre-occupied with the earthly things and not the more-important spiritual things. America is a mostly at the time a jewish-christian nation that must set the standard of behavior for other nations and if found to be hypocritical then it loses its moral high ground by its critics and God doesn't want a bad guy to represent him and will remove his blessing on that nation when people turn away from his laws. Divine Judgement historically follows and then occultists can then move in and begin destroying a nation once people forget the ancient covenant which is what protects that nation from evil if people don't forget it. Within every good society there is evil societies that are hidden. (eg the witches covens, satanic societies that spring up to influence kids to join and grow their numbers, secret societies to get rich kids to donate money with the perk that you get to be part of an elite club to control and influence more people etc) These are meant to test people's resistence to evil and act as a refining of people. To "trial by fire" is to get proof of whether people are really serious about following. Evil can't grow unless the people allow it to by being morally weak. In many Role Playing games the bad guys always seem to beat the good guys when the good guys forget to be on guard to fight evil and they become complacent. (example is in Phantasy Star where the population become apathetic towards each other and "the Dark Force" emerges to tempt us to become more evil and feeds off our own hatred for one another to become more powerful until heroes emerge to fight the pure evil spirit that feeds off the population's own desire to do wicked things to each other. I see a lot of that in many science fiction not just macross. It is no secret that many of the authors of the science fiction may actually be into the occult because it is thought that much of the technology we "discover" is channeled writings from people trying to comunicate with the 'dead' (in ancient times these beings were called the Fallen Ones referred to in the bible as the Nephilim. The Nephilim were born from a unholy union between rebel angels having sex with human women whose kids become half angel and half human with the result of super heroes being born into the world with supernatural strength and inntelligence. When these giants were wiped out in the Great Flood of Noah's time (this was due to great violence on the earth in those days: since warriors like to fight and kill each other there is no room for peaceful people - much like gang warfare in poor neighborhood lol ) their spirits were too dirty to enter into heaven so they were forced to roam earth as spirits and is it these spirits that are thought to be the "Demons" you see in the horror movies and in fantasy novels where the witches or wizards are obtaining pacts with to get their knowledge of the past or to provide supernatural assistance (ie demonic strength, transformation into werewolf, all kinds of powers that you see in eastern mysticism. The Jews have Kabalah, christians have Satanism (many rock musicians from the past make deal with the devil for fame, fortune in exchange for their soul) and in musilm countries there are demons known as Djinns (genies) which we see in cartoons as wish granting spirits. Do some research into Jack Parsons and the things these scientists were into for more info. Much of the great "lost technology of the past" that we use today is thanks to the "spirits" leaking info about how to make the stuff. These spirits never died in spirit form (the physical bodies is another matter) but will be judged at some future date but that doesn't stop them communicating with the humans who wish to conjure them and gain advantage over others with the secret hidden knowledge.. What does this have to do with macross? Many of the technologies will inevitably be used for evil (Captain Global even mentions something about the ship being an evil omen at one time, this is because it actually is responsible for the space war to come which destroys earth) unless mankind is mature enough to restrain from abusing the tech and not using it to manipulate others with it. Within society there are always control freaks who want to be the boss and make themselves king over others against their will, crazy people who want to wreck other's lives because they are jealous, and demon possessed people who just follow whatever the spirit guide or "benevolent alien" told them without actually questioning the wisdom of these spirits they claim are divine beings who could actually just be demons trying to stop mankind from prospering and building peaceful society. Technology has given people conveniences, but there is always dark side to it. And many science fiction movies show this because not everyone is ready for it. Some people feel that it is too dangerous much like how wizards in Lord of the Rings can be power mad once they have the knowledge to "fix things" but they might lack morals to restrict how it is used and who should be the one to use/possess the knowledge. I guess Gandalf in Lord of the Rings represents the common sense wizard/scientist who recognises danger, while his mentor Saruman represents the "scientific elite" who lacks heart and just wants to climb the ladder so they inevitably ally with evil to obtain ultimate knowledge.) Some groups think wizards are just plain evil because to want knowledge to better your position actually goes against morals of society. If you are on an island and you get to be in luxury while others are working their butt off there is a imbalance of power and this means one has to suffer while another gets to have an easy time ignoring the suffering. (for example people in the past who can't read had to trust in priests/experts in law to interpret the bible in times when everyone were just farmers and too simple to understand anything. The priest class got to filter out all the things and control society which is why they were so powerful. What if those priests had a wicked heart and were not pure? They could limit your knowledge and hide the truth. Today's version of this is our LAWYERS who use a language known as" legalise" to trick us by taking english-sounding words and making different definitions of those english words to mean something else entirely so that us dumb people can't read the legal contracts properly and thus need a legal expert to interpret the stupid language for us. This power of the "Law Society" to just make up a language we can't understand gives them hidden power over us - the same trick wizards may have over warriors in the role playing games. hehe) What did the Serpent in the garden promise Eve? "That you shall not die if you eat from the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil?" This was a test to see if you trust God or if you trust in yourself to be god. Many of current day scientists want to be the god over others and for every good invention there is a group of bad guys who will inevitably try to use it for evil. (example the nukes which can be used to deter people from starting a fight and invading, but they also can be used to oppress a weak nation who is innocent and can't defend themselves and doesn't want to be allied with the other nations that have nukes - what do people who are peaceful and have no power do if they want independence? They need to turn to nukes just to defend their right to exist. So everytime new tech enters into the world there is always more power handed down and this causes more fighitng since having more power for one means less power for the other. If people stopped trying to climb the ladder and focus on the spiritual side of things by throwing the "One Ring" into the fire of Mount Doom, and trust in God by obeying the laws to do no harm to others, then you wouldn't have so much fighting. But it's in man's nature to want to be like Eve and do the opposite. This is one of the reasons I think SDFM had the right balance of mature stuff. Because it didn't just paint the humans as the heroes trying to police the world in white robots and only showing the good side of hi technology. ( ie that better technology is the answer to bringing peace and righting wrongs through force) It showed that if humans were fighting amongst themselves that we are really just tiny versions of the giant aliens so we can't really say we are better than them since we are sinful too. If the giant are the demons (named themselves Satan's Dolls in SDFM) we humans are the little imp demons that do the same stuff but just in small scale. Similar to Gundam you couldn't really say if one side deserved to survive or not. There are probably just as many bad guys on the humans side as on the aliens side. Because it was more realistic, adults can watch it and judge it by the message in the story it was trying to say, not just how good the music or animation was. Yes the music in important and the animation is important to attracting people to watch it, but the characters have to be deep and interesting too right? And the message is important as well otherwise what's the point in investing that time to watch? Can tech be used to do good things? Yes. But what makes the realistic robot show entertaining for me is seeing that same technology used by bad guys. You don't get that in the super robot shows as much. Which makes them more predictable. For every good guy there has to be an interesting and deep bad guy you love to hate. Whether it be comic books or sci fi the same rule applies. In the Dark Knight, it was the Joker. In Gundam it is Char (who is really a victim as well). In JRPG like Final Fantasy 7 it was Sephiroth. (a fave badass bad guy to many fans of the series) Star Wars? Darth Vader. (again he was deep because of his relationship with certain Jedi that were supposed to be the do-gooders who failed to teach the bad guy when he was a child the importance of restraint so he wouldn't give into emotions and let emotions control his actions and let clever, older, and more-experienced bad guys with an evil agenda use emotion to manipulate his thinking like our politicians often do to push unpopular ideas and make them acceptable to us) Star wars had 1. interesting bad guy, 2. didn't see humans as the only good people (the main villain was one of us and not an alien), and 3. it had a message. (making your time worth it to invest) I think they could do a trilogy thing with macross. The war doesn't have to necessarily end right at the end of a series. It just means at the end of one war, new power emerges to take advantage of the weakened state of the existing powers as long as villains exist for heroes to fight against. I didn't like Macross 7 too much because it went way too much into the direction of super robot shows and was 50 eps of nothing really going on imo.

Plus always gets points for doing something original but fans always want more of the same thing. I thought the music in plus was great too. Yes Sharon Apple used music like a witch used spells to manipulate the masses by putting them to sleep and brainwashing them in hypnotic state but that what stands out about plus. It is the counterpoint to the first macross tv series where music is used for good. For us to get a mature macross it probably has to be a in OVA form. Maybe have pop idol blamed for the death of some young kids and the society bans music and freedom of expression and the censorship allows dictators to prevent anyone from having freedom to think? This causes intolerance as people can't share their culture with others since everyone must homogenise into one big culture that is the same all over the galaxy and is boring in order to appease collectivists. I would like a show that says something about society today and where we are headed. eg there is a lot of pressure in the world to try to unite all governments into a new world order and give up national sovereignty in place of having super wealthy elites just tell us what to do (similar to emperor having control over everything but it is done secretly behind the scenes with the illusion that we the people have control over our destiny by voting on issues that have very little importance) with our resources rather than us having the say. A sci fi show should actually explore what that would be like and how bad it would be to not "be yourself" and"have your own unique national identity with unique culture that is different to all other cultures" and the downfall of political correctness gone mad. (eg governments telling you what you can wear, where you can gather, what you can say, monitoring the coununications, and the power of propaganda controlled by an elite and how it affects the thinking of society) The more dystopian scifi would suit an OVA imo. Series like MegaZone, Bubblegum Crisis, and Macross Plus are more mature to me imo. The reason why plus stood out is because it asked the question of what letting machines take over all decision would be like if taken to an extreme which is a real world concern of today. But tv series always have to cater to the kids and teens more rather than just general audience not aimed at one group like the original SDFM. To me it's the most balanced and felt like a soap rather than an ad for toys or music cd. It didn't feel as "commercial" is what I am trying to say..

I'd love to see that. But make the anti UN the third side. They waited for ages to get both sides to kill each other off and used brainwashed kids to form dictatorship after the two were worn out and resources were depleted forcing them to give up fighting and accept being in control from Anti UN forces mixed with Kamjin style zentradi clones who want perpetual warring in keeping with the old ways of the zentradi. Of course both sides would kill each other off and we can reboot the franchise wit a new calendar when protodevlin portals open up and punish the humans and the universe's civilisation disappears like the protoculture which we never get to actually see. (much like legend of atlantis - an advanced ancient civilisation punished by the god or their own immorality and high technology that it led to their deaths.) Future generations would escape the wars and put themselves into sleep (futuristic coffin) like the mummies and through genetic engineering clones of those people would carrying on in future ages to start again. There would be no memory or history of past ages so valks would need to be remade. (VF-1 rebooted to look more modern in future tv series) In the halo games you had the three warring sides which made it an epic space war involving many cultures all trying to become the dominant species which I think something similar would be interesting to see in a macross show: 1. zombie like aliens called the flood who represent the inevitability of death and a form of ancient biological weapon that can change into the shapes of whatever it encounters (rip off of John Carpenter "the Thing") 2.Religious aliens who created a cult to control everyone underneath the priest class. (kinda high tech like those aliens in the Predator movies with some form of code of honor in how they fight) 3. And robotic "mad scientist" elite types into eugenics who believe kiling living things solves the problem of wars and destruction. The closest thing would be the Dwarf races in fantasy novels where reason and logic are more important than anything so they are materialistic instead of spiritual like the religious aliens who are superstitious. They can crunch numbers and manufacture things fastest but totally blind to the arts and have no real creativity or original thoughts of their own as they just copy stuff they see. ....And the humans are caught in between. We are like the hobbits in Lord of the Rings trying to run from the wars but have to take part in it reluctantly to survive and defend the homeworld from the militant extremists with ambitious vision of how the future should be shaped. I think a multi tv series series would be good. The war doesn't end at the end of the tv series but continues on through later shows. (no need to set everything so far into the future this way and you can see mixture of technology based on the wealth of each nation) There would be fights for resources that are needed to continue the war, and loads of deaths of major characters who can't be classed as right or wrong. It's more a matter of who is less wrong than who is right. That's what I like about Gundam.

This release sounds exciting and I am happy with people who want more (or an alternative to arcadia's toy) but somehow I am not really feeling it. The robot mode looks pretty cool, but I never really could accept the idea that it would be a practical design to have giant booster thingies dangling off the hip kibble. It just doesn't seem right. It's a similar thing with the VF-30 where people complain about the missle rack hanging off the back making the robot seem weird. I get that feeling with the frontier tech used on the yf-19 design. Also I still see the yf-19 as the special ops valk and that a 'clean' or naked design looks better than one with extra stuff on top of it. For the VF-1 it is the opposite feeling: I much prefer a VF-1 with all the boosters especially in gerwalk mode and in robot mode the giant FAST pack looks like a backpack and doesn't really spoil the look of that mode. As for VF-0D: it's one expensive valkyrie but I have already saved up my money so I am committed to buying it. I just wish arcadia would start adding more tampo printed stuff as I hate stickers/decals. In fact what I would like to see from arcadia is a premium release edition of everything they do: features on preimium version 1. has more tampo printed details than the vanilla release. 2. packaged with mecha details (like a small artbook or tech specs sheet with lineart about that particular valk) The vanilla release can be slightly cheaper with less tampo prints for those who want to customise the toy. You all got butt hurt that VF-17 was not show accurate because the cartoon had the UN SPACY markings. And you got pissed that the Koenig Monster had markings you might not have liked. By having two versions everyone can be happy, I don't have the time to put on all the stickers but I would love to see all the prints on the toys.

Me too. I fully intend to preorder right when the sale comes. VF-0D is an interesting valk but I will look harder for discount than other valks considering it is a less complex toy than YF-19. I am willing to pay high price for quality so hopefully there are no easily breakable parts like previous yamato vf-0 toys. VF-0S with options for reactive armor should be next imo since the reactive armor was not attempted before. Roy = hero valk. Easy sale. Reactive armor = incentive for fans of existing vf-0S to upgrade to newer release of VF-0S. ie they get something new to look forward to. my prediction is after that... the sv-51 version 2. Or maybe the bad guy mechas from macross 7.

Don't have time to read all the pages of responses to this thread yet, but I always think of the chuck norris movies "Delta Force" lol

The vf-25s is getting reissued? Damn I bet I am going to miss out again.

Saving up for that vf-4. It's a small mech with 1 good looking mode. But it cost me quite a lot. And the thing doesn't even come with a gunpod. Even the yf-19 despite being pricey gave us loads of extras. And it's not tiny like vf-4. But now that I have it i am glad as it isn't something that I'd ever expect to see mass produced and what you get is quality.

People say that but look at request for macross II vf-2ss. Technically mac 2 is not canon so you could say its a macross-like show. Some official designs to me are a bit of a turn off and I wish were not canon. (booby and clown valks with faces and silly guitar controls)

As long as they do a good job and there are no QC issues I think the fans will find a way to afford this. Less releases per year = more money saved per item imo. From here on everything is going to be like saving to buy vf-4. With bandai their strategy seems to be the wallet rape on accesories (the toy equivalent of DLC lol)

*looks at accessories list* haha looks like they are not giving us a stand. All the effort must have went into the ankles.......... I hope Nothing more cool than a robot that can do dynamic action poses without falling over and killing itself. I really don't do any fancy stuff for the YF-19 as a result of the ankles being too floppy. A stand would have given YF-19 better review score. I wonder if they will do an official transformation vid so we can see the toy at all the angles and handled and posed and played with, instead of boring stills? It's the age of broadband guys. Not 56k dialup. Get with the freaking times.

Wow the price is pretty high. But hopefully that means they improved the quality a lot since the old days. The reason I suspect for that is the OVA was not that popular, the valk can't be repainted a million times and sold as a different mech like the vf-1 can, and also the whole strategy of selling high and producing only as many as needed. (creating demand by artificially making the toy scarce to keep the perceived value high in the second hand market) I guess I can only get one of these. It all started to go high at about the time of the vf-17. Ever since then we have had to save up long in advance to be able to get these things. So which shop should I go with for preorder? In total what would it cost shipping and item cost in Australian Dollars? (I think AUD is losing value now so I got to adjust my estimate of the cost - when is the date of this black friday sale? Should I wait to preorder on that day? ) VF0D was the one variant I wish yamato gave to us but sadly they skipped it along with the reactive armor. I hope that this still sells ok because if so it means we might get revisit of VF0-S with reactive armor. Come on. How can you not want that? That's like saying you don't want VF-11C Full Armor. I don't really care that much for the ghost booster. It is just a stupid drone that sits on top of the plane and acts like a half-assed FAST pack lol As for gundam unicorn? Screw that. Macross >>>>>> Gundam. Who cares about LEDs? Isn't that Gundam stuff for little kids. "Ooooh pretty lights". I would rather a transforming jet anyday. I hate it when they put light gimmicks in all the transformers toys.

So will this mech get repaints? Any news on the extra weapon accessory? Perhaps maybe bandai release this with all the extra weapon in one pack? (as opposed to seperate release)

Fins can't be fragile. The YF-21 uses fins to deflect the shots with its fins by using them as mini shields. I think perhaps technology is just so much better that they can get away with fragile pieces in spots that don't look practical. Or maybe they have flexible under skeleton that lets the frame bend a little bit. Sort of like the skin on the yf-21 in macross plus. (see the intro where the wings bend with no seams)

Yeah but a change of name doesn't mean death. They just decided it was better to make the stuff they make more pricey as quality increased and the new name was cooler. Just like kentucky fried chicken changing to KFC to avoid the word 'fried' to increase profit. What's wrong with making your name different? Why not think of name change = upgrade rather than death? They did pretty much everything in macross that there was to do. Obviously Bandai wanted a piece of it so they jumped in to kill them but coming later with less care fans could see that the early collector grade toys they made initially, showed thier lack of attention to detail. And now we have them sitting on license to push the company out of the macross toys biz. But they struggle still to totally outdo the rival.

The color might not change though. What if the floating head says the max blue is how he likes it? A toy company can't go against the wishes of the macross creator. Perhaps japan likes toys to be brighter to match the anime color style of making it look cartoonish? While other places prefer less flashy paintschemes but we are not as important? Notice how popular macross 7 was with its clown valks over there compared to macross plus?

We all hate bandai instinctively because they act like they don't want money. Arcadia loves us better since they do all the rare stuff. (yes they charge a premium now for thier toys but that;s because you can't milk the molds for stuff like yf-19 etc) There I said it. I think Shoji Kawamori deliberately added kibble to the backpacks with his mech design because he is more a fan of Arcadia. lol He is making bandai look bad on purpose like a scientist forced to create weapons for the enemy because he is captured and forced to work against his will. Think about it dude. Bandai only gives a crap about gundam. They only make these toys now because yamato/arcadia were raking in the dough and they need to kill off the toy competitors but secretly are disgusted to help macross as a show; a series that competes with gundam for attention in the robot show category. It would be like if a marvel fan was forced to create superman toys for dc or something like that. lol Personally I think Arcadia have better toys but I think bandai are catching up. If arcadia don't give us more tampo printing, better ankles, and maybe offer stands they are going to get whined about still. We pay more for thier stuff.. On the other hand bandai should look at the pilot sculpts as they look bad next to arcadia. The competition is good as it forces them both to work harder than usual. If the crticism is valid they should accept that if they don't want to improve, then the customer will reduce purchases if issues are not addressed. The VF-0D is looking pretty impressive. But that isn't too tricky compared to new designs. Lets hope the price is affordable. Bandai stiill have better boxes. that foam and the presetation look better. I'm not a fanboy of either. In fact I like the bandai toys (bit angry they scrapped himetal) but i can see which company thinks about the details. You get better joints and gimmicks on the arcadia stuff. Stuff won't scratch off. And you don't need to worry about scalpers making it freaking hard to buy them. haha Being a bigger toy company doesn't mean you can act like a dick.

Yes I would accept it. If something is no longer in production due to a busiess dying off then that means there is no harm done if someone else steps in to offer something that is no longer made anymore. You can only claim damage if the product existed for it to be copied and sales to hurt that company. If the company is dead, where is the harm? For example you can't buy Bomberman as a game anymore since the company died. You can buy "Bombing Bastards!" an obvious clone of that game which basically copies it. Nobody is going to complain that sales of their second hand copy of Bomberman are now going down on ebay because a clone is on the market.lol And the dead company is not going to care since the people who made it are not the holders of rights to thing that the company made. Fans of a particular thing just want the thing. This is where indie game developers come in: you as creator have more control over IP because you own the creations and there is more creative freedom. Two examples I can think of are Mighty No.9 (from one of the creators of the Megaman games) and the upcoming "spiritual successor" to castlevania. (Castlevania being a property owned by Konami) More info on that here: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/09/rumour_pax_prime_flyer_teases_potential_2d_castlevania_successor What you are seeing with toys is similar thing imo. Now remember these are japanese guys who once worked at japanese companies. Perhaps there is a future for macross-like toys products that look very similar to the macross universe stuff by the creators of the macross toys who decided to "go indie" like the Mighty No.9 guy who basically just made the game for fans of megaman that were annoyed that capcom no longer cares about that property anymore? These are ways we fans can get what we want and at the same time it's a way for companies to look at the market and guage the results risk-free. They don't have to risk making stuff like Variable Glaug themselves. They can first let an indie guy do it, and then if they think they can compete, they release their own version which is better than the indie product, if they think that can profit now that it's "safe"/non-risky to make a Variable Glaug or VF-2SS or whatever rare mecha doesn't get enough love due to lack of recognition in the show or movie or ova. Imagine for instance some original stuff like a transforming destroid? Looks like something out of the macross universe. but it combines some thing from mospeada and other less popular robot shows. But it fits in enough with macross that after the toy sells, the macross franchises starts to introduce stuff that is similar to the original designs of these fans? (technically we have transforming destroids like octos and konig monster, but I mean if they looked at what was popular with these original designs and then stole some things off the original designs, changed enough things to make it different and made them official?)