Mr March

Love it. Thanks so much. These gifs are legendary.

Wow, go azrael. I have trouble remembering my grocery list

Yes, they are just regular VF-17D Nightmares, but I think RedWolf is onto something when he says Kawamori and Co. likely used those green-blue VF-17's from Macross Dynamite 7 as precursors to the VF-171. It fits rather nicely I think Remember, the UN Spacy also use the SB-10/10 Starwing and VA-3 Invader for attack and bombing roles. Plus the VF-17 Nightmare was something of a bomber as well as is the later VF-171.

No. RedWolf is referring to regular VF-17D Nightmare fighters that were green (or blue-green, if you will). They are seen in Macross Dynamite 7. I've labeled them "Teal" and included them in the M3. You can find them Here.

Where did you get your binder and first issue Beltane70? That reminds me, I have to make an order for the next few issues.

Morpheus Ozuma breaks that Basara rule all the time; he's such a Fire Bomber fan Then prove it and stop fishing for a fight with this immature cross-thread nonsense.

Definitely!

Master Dex I think that's one of the reasons Macross created ship combat like it did in the original SDF Macross; to make sure it was simple. They didn't want to focus too much on the ship combat, so they made the ships with really big guns to simplify ship combat. But it just goes to show us that not all sci-fi can be everything to everyone. I love Macross and BSGR all the same and wouldn't change them one bit (except for erasing Macross 7 from existence)

It's never explicitly stated. But we could come up with a guesstimate There are 7,500,000,000 personnel in the Bodol Zer Main Fleet, aboard 4,795,122 ships. Simplistic calculation of the division of manpower gives us 1,564 troops per ship. The Adoclass fleet is made up of 1,200 ships which would translate to roughly 1,876,800 troops. Moruk LapLamiz's fleet is presented as equal to the Bodol Zer fleet, so you have the same figures. Chlore's Fleet is never given a specific number, but the Meltrans are described as outnumbering the Macross 7 fleet 500 to 1. We'd have to know the size of the Macross 7 fleet to go further, but we don't. Personally, it's always been my impression the Macross 7 fleet consists of some 50-100 vessels. It just seems like they have a very large supply of Stealth Frigates, Stealth Carriers and Escort Battle Carriers and despite losing dozens of them, they still have more. So I'd say it's a fair estimate. If we go with that assumption, you get 50,000 Meltran ships at most in the Chlore fleet. But it's just a guess.

I'm just going to avoid it in the profile. Even if the Macross 7 was limited to Attack mode only (and the events of the anime seem to agree), it's never explicitly stated anywhere on or off screen. And now we have a NMC shown firing in Carrier mode. Perhaps official trivia for the Battle Frontier will shed light on this development and state whether it's a new feature or not. For now, I'm going to leave it as an open question.

Obviously not. But keep baiting, by all means

It appears she was originally human. Unless all those great cybernetic achievements were possible 19 years ago, which doesn't seem likely.

It's all a different interpretation of space combat. I actually really enjoy how well thought out the space combat is in BSGR. They use a lot of attack/counter warfare that is typical of real ship-to-ship combat. They have flanks, firing solutions, defensive fire perimeters, point defense, tactical limitations and all kinds of good stuff for warfare geeks like myself. It really is an absolute dream and it doesn't hurt that the show is also provocative, engaging drama as well Macross is pretty simplistic by comparison. SDF Macross featured the most strategy they ever used in ship-to-ship combat, but it's basically aim and fire. Even the Daedalus attack was just a clever way to turn a desperation maneuver into a super robot moment. Don't get me wrong; I love the big guns of Macross, but there isn't much reality or complexity to the battles. I suppose it is a kids show after all. I think BSGR resembled Macross as it was in the finale of Space War I or in DYRL, when it was firing all it's weapons at once and launching missiles from all the hidden launchers and destroids. The BSGR is like that in combat, using literally hundreds of guns with missiles as addition weaponry.

Thanks, cause this thread needed a repeat of the exact same thing I just said

Nice catch grss1982. It looks really purty If only we could get a missile count, then I could die happy

Even as a tech geek, I think this is way out of my league Though it was interesting following it as much as I could. I can guarantee Kawamori and Co. never put that much thought into the Dimension Eater. In fact, like almost all OverTechnology, they made the Dimension Eater a super dimension space phenomenon precisely so they didn't have to explain it. Or to be more accurate, they can explain away the DE with a convenient catch-all fiction

A Note About...Folding in the Atmosphere It's probably safe to say that folding space can be achieved almost anywhere. Yes, the original series episode 3 featured a fold within the atmosphere that looked really dangerous. In that particular incident, many factors could have attributed to the problems experience by the crew of the SDF-1 Macross, specifically the ships proximity to the ocean and humanities fumbling inexperience with fold technology. After that one incident, the fold has been shown inside an atmosphere without problem. The Meltran Gunboat in DYRL folded out from the surface of Earth without a problem. The Protodevlin also folded a reaction warhead from the surface of Varauta 4 without a problem and they also defolded the warhead exactly where they wanted it to be (right outside the Stargazer in low orbit). I think it's safe to say the fold can be achieved anywhere and isn't affected by gravity or the atmosphere. RedWolf Thanks. I actually had the colored side views of the two Macross ships completed, awaiting addition to the M3. So I figured why not do a quick chart for the thread. Yes, the regular Guantanamo Stealth Carriers and Uraga Escort Battle Carriers are much smaller than the Macross Class ships. They have fairly thick depth like the Macross ships, but they'd be roughly a third of the length of the BSGR. EDIT Made another chart with the Uraga Class Escort Battle Carrier and both versions of the ARMD Carriers

You show me yours, I'll show you mine Battle 7, Battlestar Galactica Re-Imagined and SDF-1 Macross

Welcome back

Just my opinion, but I think that's selling Macross short. I'll agree the infamous 180 degree turn/flying backward maneuver really isn't part of Macross but Kawamori and Co have clearly made much more than a token effort to portray proper weightlessness physics. All the Valkyries from DYRL onward are shown with vernier propulsion (this is especially apparent watching CGI of Macross Frontier). The FAST/Super Packs are also very clearly space equipment with rockets and thrusters, often shown in use during space flight maneuvering. Macross certainly gets the requirements for 3D movement in space correct and all the mecha are clearly built with verniers (with the exception of more exotic tech like the Vajra). The 180 degree turn is also a rather superfluous maneuver given Valkyries simply transform when they want to flip direction instantaneously. I will agree that the motion looks more naturalistic and more obviously space-based in shows like BSGR and Babylon 5 than it does in Macross. But Macross is a show focused on just more than fighter-based action; its a mecha show and the stylized approach to mecha combat is part of the attraction in anime. Even with all it's faults, Macross has always done a better job at weightlessness flight than things like Star Wars or Star Trek.

Oh, right. I'd forgotten about that. Yes, some members have asked about that before and I think I was waiting until most of the website was complete before making a "master list" webpage. Guess I don't have an excuse now I'll see what I can do.

Animations like your own are few and far between. I think you'll find most fans here are hungry for more. A lot of the fan built 3D models don't even get finished. So to see an actual animation, something that is at least a step beyond a pre-visualization stage like your animation, is a real treat for us

LOL Hammerspace indeed. Thanks fellas. It good to hear that some like the section. Yes, I need to build some more Macross Demotivators. Macross Frontier stuff should be easy, but it's getting high quality scans of the older shows that's the problem. But I'll think of some more.

As much as I love Battlestar Galactica Re-imagined, they've made it clear that the technology is very grounded and not far-future science. "Naturalistic science fiction" as Moore himself has called it. Most of the technology in the series is basically modern day technology or near-future technology. Radar, machine guns, flak, nuclear warheads, kinetic weapons and so forth are basically everything we have now. The only areas of technology stretched in BSGR are those necessary for the plot, like power sources, FTL drives and obviously artificial intelligence/robotics. Their fuel and propulsion is probably very advanced as well, since the Vipers and Raptors are shown capable of escaping orbit. Now this is not to say Macross is all that advanced either, since Macross uses plenty of "current" technology as well (radar, stealth, kinetic weapons). But it does seem clear that every science - especially by 2059 - has been drastically advanced by OverTechnology. Macross also naturally benefits from a lot of transcended technology from way back in the original series; super-dimension-energy cannons, reaction warheads (officially described as far more powerful than nukes), transformation technology, holography/volumetric imaging, rail cannons, beam weapons/laser weapons, pin-point-barriers/full barriers/repulsion fields, energy converting armor, cloning, and so forth. While Macross is not all that far advanced, it's clearly farther-future technology that BSGR. Also, there's size to consider. In BSGR, 30 Battlestars was considered almost a quarter of the fleet. In Macross, there's easily a hundred ships in just one colony fleet. Also, the large-scale manufacturing capabities in Macross are far beyond what we've seen in BSGR, especially the rate at which the UNG pumps out colonization fleets. I think application counts for a lot as well. Those Viper cockpits (not to mention those view-obstructing canopies) are archaic by Macross standards. The cockpits aren't even using HOTAS systems and look like conventional technology built some 30 years ago in the 1970s. Having said all that, I think that as far as science fiction franchises, Macross and BSGR would be a fairly close comparison. Kinda like Macross and Gundam. I think a good argument could be made to say valkyries from Macross and Vipers from BSGR basically handle and accelerate at roughly comparable speeds and feature similar "flight" technology, if nothing else.

Thanks papabear. I'm glad you like the site. You also won some major points with me; you actually looked through the "For Fans Only" section. I sometimes feel that section is the most ignored portion of the site, so it makes me feel good to know you enjoyed it.