cobywan Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 I think this show is starting to get into trouble. They seem to have too many episodes and too little budget. Notice how little action there's been lately? Even the episode with the Cylon raiding party, the Cylons 'face-time' was probably seconds not minutes. We haven't seen much of any space battle in a long while. If you want space battles go back to Star Trek. See how well that kind of story telling did for that franchise? I want the character stories. Not a video game. The only trouble they are having is keeping these stories gripping without geting rediculous. That is a very real danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 I finally got on board the galactica wagon... I picked up the DVDs for the mini series and season 1... this show is awesome.. some great throw backs to the original show but entirely great all on its own. I can't wait till the season 2 DVDs come out... don't have cable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Johnathan Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 Star Trek? I don't know, they seemed to lack good space battles, particularly the various tv shows. They always try to 'disable the engines' first... What worries me for BSG IS character development, they seem to flip a chacters loyalty on a toss of a coin and more and more characters are getting bizzare, as if what Baltar has is catching. Another example; the press/media. They seem to have turned in to lap dogs for Roslin, more or less spreading her word without criticism, they're all drinking the same cool-aid... Can you imagine in reality what the media would do with a President who says, "Follow me, I know the way to Paradise!" I mean, that magic arrow thing seems so out of place, more appropriate for Lord of the Rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goshawk Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 True but remmber in the show the Gemnians are REALLY religionistic people, more than the rest of the 12 planets. So they and from next weeks preveiw looks like they would follow her to hell and back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaijin Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 Star Trek? I don't know, they seemed to lack good space battles, particularly the various tv shows. They always try to 'disable the engines' first... What worries me for BSG IS character development, they seem to flip a chacters loyalty on a toss of a coin and more and more characters are getting bizzare, as if what Baltar has is catching. Another example; the press/media. They seem to have turned in to lap dogs for Roslin, more or less spreading her word without criticism, they're all drinking the same cool-aid... Can you imagine in reality what the media would do with a President who says, "Follow me, I know the way to Paradise!" I mean, that magic arrow thing seems so out of place, more appropriate for Lord of the Rings. 320067[/snapback] Listen to the podcasts from Moore on that...the prophet thing is going to come back and bite her in the ass he says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isamu Atreides 86 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 does anyone have a pic of the picture in the breifing room that the pilots touch? you know, the one with the pilot watching the destruction of the city? i've always wanted to see what it looked like.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Johnathan Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 All I know is I'll be seriously let down if Roslin/Apollo and followers aren't in some way humiliated by their zealotry, disloyalty and suicidal recklessness. That's a big point to me too, how and why would these ships actually desert the Galactica? They won't have supplies and above all won't have protection, unless Adama comes to the rescue, which he probably will, and certainly shouldn't... Adama should cull the herd a bit anyway. Roslin even used the phrase 'I'll use the religion card', so what's that mean? Even she doesn't believe her jibberish? If, on the other hand, they get the magic arrow to Kobol and recite some incantation and a magic yellow brick road to Earth reveals it's self... I'll be a tad dissapointed. As for Lee Adama/Apollo being a Cylon, interesting theory, but how would that work? Wouldn't Adama Sr. be able to confirm his birth and all as a normal human? Then again, the Mother died I believe, maybe that's suspicious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaijin Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 All I know is I'll be seriously let down if Roslin/Apollo and followers aren't in some way humiliated by their zealotry, disloyalty and suicidal recklessness. That's a big point to me too, how and why would these ships actually desert the Galactica? They won't have supplies and above all won't have protection, unless Adama comes to the rescue, which he probably will, and certainly shouldn't... Adama should cull the herd a bit anyway. Roslin even used the phrase 'I'll use the religion card', so what's that mean? Even she doesn't believe her jibberish? If, on the other hand, they get the magic arrow to Kobol and recite some incantation and a magic yellow brick road to Earth reveals it's self... I'll be a tad dissapointed. As for Lee Adama/Apollo being a Cylon, interesting theory, but how would that work? Wouldn't Adama Sr. be able to confirm his birth and all as a normal human? Then again, the Mother died I believe, maybe that's suspicious... 320163[/snapback] Lee's mom's alive. She was there at Zak's funeral and Adama asked his son about her at the start of the mini...divorced probably. I doubt Apollo's a toaster. Laura still isn't comfortable entirely with the religion prophet role...remember how she was hesitant at blessing people? The ships leaving the fleet...well no one said they were smart. They are follwing their faith and hoping the Pres has the answers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effect Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 (edited) Ugh. I want Apollo back leading Galatica's fighter squadrons, not this crap they have him going through right now. Edited August 14, 2005 by Effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaijin Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Ugh. I want Apollo back leadering Galatica's fighter squadrons, not this crap they have him going through right now. 320176[/snapback] The 1st 7 episodes this season are basically wrapping up the end of last season. There are supposedly new arcs/plot lines starting with Ep 8...and especially...Ep 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 I wonder how long they can keep things up before they resort to sci fi TV cliche plots like time travel. If I ever have to watch a time travel episode and they use some dumb technobabble solution, I'll have to stop watching. As for things now, while there are some cliche things, they usually have an innovative or fresh spin on things and haven't strayed into Star Trek style plots. I agree with Effect that Apollo is best as the CAG and not a revolutionary. The episode where he took out the Cylon base was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobywan Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 I wonder how long they can keep things up before they resort to sci fi TV cliche plots like time travel. If I ever have to watch a time travel episode and they use some dumb technobabble solution, I'll have to stop watching. As for things now, while there are some cliche things, they usually have an innovative or fresh spin on things and haven't strayed into Star Trek style plots.I agree with Effect that Apollo is best as the CAG and not a revolutionary. The episode where he took out the Cylon base was great. 320244[/snapback] It has been stated from the very begging that there will be no time travel and no aliens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Johnathan Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 12 functioning vipers and 30 pilots, and their top 2 leaders/aces are AWOL. The Cylons just need a modest squadron attack and they'd wipe out the fleet easily. Imagine if in WWII two of the U.S. Navy's top aces/leaders (say Thatch and O'hare) decided it was more important to go AWOL and search for a holy relic down on New Guinea, Meanwhile the Imperial Japanese wipe out the their carrier and escorts. But not to worry, Thatch and O'hare found the Golden Monkey! I fogot about Apollo's Mother being alive, at least before the Cylon atack. If they ever write her in to the show, I hope she's nothing like Tigh's wife... Yeah, I think it's doubtful Apollo would be a Cylon. (I'd probably like him more if he was...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalvasflam Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 12 functioning vipers and 30 pilots, and their top 2 leaders/aces are AWOL. The Cylons just need a modest squadron attack and they'd wipe out the fleet easily. Imagine if in WWII two of the U.S. Navy's top aces/leaders (say Thatch and O'hare) decided it was more important to go AWOL and search for a holy relic down on New Guinea, Meanwhile the Imperial Japanese wipe out the their carrier and escorts. But not to worry, Thatch and O'hare found the Golden Monkey! I fogot about Apollo's Mother being alive, at least before the Cylon atack. If they ever write her in to the show, I hope she's nothing like Tigh's wife... Yeah, I think it's doubtful Apollo would be a Cylon. (I'd probably like him more if he was...) 320284[/snapback] Nice analogy there. It's not entirely obvious that Apollo actually believes in all the religious mumble jumble like Starbuck, but I like the fact that he is a bit torn between daddy (who just recently reconciled with him) and the idea of having a functional democracy, which I think in this situation might not necessarily be a good idea. I think if nothing else, Galactica seriously need to get their fighter squadron resupplied. 12 Vipers just ain't enough. Although technically speaking, they'll soon have a Cylon gunship aboard. But without any viable manufacturing facilities, they'll be essentially like a carrier group saddled with a bunch of cruise lines and trash haulers with no port facility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Despite still being intrigued by the story, I'm hoping the everyone in the gang can get back to Galactica and start kicking some Cylon ass. It looks like most of the main cast except Adama and Baltar will be with Roslyn, when she and Apollo receive Starbuck, Helo (and the new impregnated Boomer?) by Kobol. Makes no sense to me. Galactica is short on personnel, particularly trainable pilots. So Starbuck decides to leave behind trained atheletes? I mean people in good health, young , good shape and proven reflexes? Sorry but this Anders guy could probably wipe the floor with Hot Dog and Chuckles (RIP) 320094[/snapback] Starbuck didn't abandon the freedom fighters in Caprica. She has to get a rescue party to take them off the planet. She could have taken most of the good fighters with her on the Cylon Raider but that would leave the rest with a weak defense and probably guarantee their death. So now we know what another Cylon Agent looks like... 7 more to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaijin Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Seems like the best short term solution, as least until the Pegasus arrives ( and who knows how well stocked that ship is, especially if it hasn't been resupplied by an entire fleet/ice rock/ammo base/tilium rock like Galactica has) would be to capture some Cylon Raiders and re mark them or repaint them into a workable scheme to ID good Raiders from bad Raiders. If Boomer and Starbuck make it back, they have two pilots who can viably train others. Also the Cylons are computers right? Who says they can't be reprogrammed to fight as drones. Its not the ideal solution, but if you could get 50 Raiders up and running, thats quite a few fighters. Plus they can salvage debris from space battles for Raider parts ( who knows what their Viper part bins look like now) Even with the Pegasus coming, some of the Cylons will have to fight for the humans openly for the fleet to survive. Look at Macross, what if the SDF Macross had to fight Bedolza's armada PLUS Britais fleet? Britais fleet turning coat made a huge difference in that battle. If I was Adama, I'd consolidate all the most essential fuel and food ships near me. And get all the best minds and scientists on the Galactica. Then reconsolidate the ships crews so that civilians are packed into fewer ships. That would leave more ships left over for military control and retrofitting. If they can find the equipment, wouldn't hurt the fleet to have some remodded gunships on the outer edges of the fleet and in a rear and vanguard position. Also I'd start training everyone like crazy. Triple and quadruple redundancy training where everyone not assigned to food or other essential production gets conscripted into service. If society is going to be that small, you ought to have everyone train to be a doctor, scientist, engineer, farmer or soldier. Then you gotta look into creating incentives for women to get pregnant ( more food, better living accomdations, etc) What about food? They can recycle water. They've covered the fuel aspect, but I doubt they can regrow food at the rate they are consuming it , even with rationing. 320317[/snapback] It's only been a few weeks since the end of the mini...they're still picking up the pieces and haven't really had time to di much of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justvinnie Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 I just watch BSG for the first time. Had a 2 day marathon. All I can say is... too many plotholes. Characters are acting stupid from day one. I'm sorry, I just don't like this series. It's such a disappointment since everyone is raving about it. vinnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 I just watch BSG for the first time. Had a 2 day marathon. All I can say is... too many plotholes. Characters are acting stupid from day one. I'm sorry, I just don't like this series. It's such a disappointment since everyone is raving about it.vinnie 320421[/snapback] Yeah, you're right... I guess I'll stop watching... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Gotta chime in... This series is AMAZING. My fiance and I are totally addicted to it. As a early and vocal hater of the idea of a reimagined Galactica - in particualr the 'sex change' of Starbuck - I have happily ate crow and now look forward to each new episode. I can't remember when I last looked forward to a weekly show on TV! This is great DRAMA - the SciFi element is almost incidental. (But Damn! Don't those scenes of all the AA fire look cool!!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobywan Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 I just watch BSG for the first time. Had a 2 day marathon. All I can say is... too many plotholes. Characters are acting stupid from day one. I'm sorry, I just don't like this series. It's such a disappointment since everyone is raving about it.vinnie 320421[/snapback] Could you PLEASE give some support for your point of view here. Nothing you said makes sense to me. Did you actually watch the show or was it just on in the background of your house making noise? You really need to pay attention to the details to get the big picture. I'm not saying your wrong, it's just that the conversations about the show have been pretty enlightening when people explain thier points of view. And that includes the discussions of why people don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justvinnie Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Could you PLEASE give some support for your point of view here. Nothing you said makes sense to me. Did you actually watch the show or was it just on in the background of your house making noise? You really need to pay attention to the details to get the big picture. I'm not saying your wrong, it's just that the conversations about the show have been pretty enlightening when people explain thier points of view. And that includes the discussions of why people don't like it. 320466[/snapback] True I did give any reasons because I was mere stating my overall impression. After having read and heard so much about how great this series is, I guess I came in expecting way more than it delivered for me. I feel that too often the characters act in contrived ways to stimulate more "drama". While this makes for better story telling the situations they get into are not within the realm of reasonable, especially when I consider this a "serious" sci fi series. Since you asked for a breakdown so politely, I will oblige. Let's start with the miniseries. Humanity must have been really stupid to ignore the fact that the Cylons simple "disappeared". Surely you'd think we'd learn our lessons the first time round. It seems that only William Adama was smart enough to keep his ship's computers unnetworked. History is doomed to repeat itself if we don't learn from it. This seems to be a pretty big lesson not to learn. So all the ships are disabled with a virus. I find that hard to believe. Also surely we'd be smart enough to expect an attack again as well as advance Cylon units since the first war? The ambassador had tech sheets on old units. Secondly, the use of FTL jumps. It is mentioned that this form of travel is not often used (jumping to Ragnar) before the series starts and only 60% of the civilain fleet is equipped with them. You'd think that FTL travel would be an integral part of space travel as well as defense systems. There are only 12 colonies. You'd think that humanity is more adventurous and spread out a little more. Are there no remote backwater planets? It seems to me that humanity hasn't exactly been busy charting space either, as it seems the BSG is constantly surveying new planets. Why didn't the 12 colonies try to find Kobol and Earth? From the wording of the series, it seems like humanity found 12 habitable planets and were satisfied. Unlikely given human curiosity. Why are there only 12 models? We know that Six infiltrated over 2 years prior. Given there immense resources, I doubt 12 is all they can do to crank out new models. Besides once the interface between organic and electonic is complete, generating diverse bodies types shouldn't be that hard. It's not like each protein shell operates on different principles. As long as the wiring is the same, the shell can look whater they want. Lastly, why the hell is life going on as usual? Tom Zarek in the series even says it, their current culture is an illusion - lawyers that have no clients, businesses that sell nothing. Why was there not an overhaul of the social system. Start training military personnel. Most of the fleet is near damn defenseless! Install gun batteries on the ships for basic defense. The whole government aspect is a charade. I can't stand the character of Laura Roslin. It's stupid. This is not life as usual. Humanity is about to die and here you have a bunch of defenseless people. More than anything I hated this aspect of the show. It's so contrived. It's what really killed the show for me, the stupidity of the people. The civilians are sitting around waiting to die, sheep for the slaughter. I wished Zarek had won that VP. Maybe the people would have had some sense knocked into them. That's just from the miniseries. While I don't recall each and everything "slap my head" moment in much of the earlier eps, I do know they occured often. So I'll just start by naming the few at the end. They knew the Cylons were making sweeps of space in search of the fleet. Why were they caught unawares of the Cylons over Kobol with the 3 raptors? It doesn't matter if a previous survey cleared the area. FTL means that the moment the survey left the Cylons could show up. Always be prepared for Cylon attacks no matter what. Same way when Tyrol and Callie and the third guy were coming back with the med kit. Getting there they are all careful, but coming back, it's like they are taking a stroll though the woods. That was stupid. And Starbucks defection was... silly though you could still write it off. Anyways, enough of a rant. Like everything else, BSG is probably not for everyone. I love Firefly, but's a different beast and doesn't try to take itself seriously so I can forgive the shortcomings. BSG takes itself serious and so it fails because I view it as not being reasonable enough. It's a nice stark image of the future, just make the events and characters more plausible . I can easily see why many people think its a great series. I'm just unimpressed. vinnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justvinnie Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Geez that's like the longest post I've ever made. vinnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Johnathan Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 (edited) Well, i agree with a lot of Vinnie's points. Still, I like the show, I hold out hope that they'll 'get serious' in the fleet. One would think the utter destruction of 12 worlds, near total annihilation, people would be a little more security conscious. I think something the writers are doing is drawing parallels with modern events, as far as tone and mood of the show. There's shades of 9/11 and War on Terror, the problem is in BSG their 9/11 is total nuclear armageddon with fleets or relentless machines hunting down any survivors. They are injecting current debates about civil liberites versus security etc. which is fine, BUT; as I said, in reality, it doesn't work. Civil Liberties have always been trumped by survival. Abraham Lincoln, probably the most universally admired U.S. President, suspended certain rights, such as arresting people without trials or lawyers in order to prevent the disintegration of the Union/country. I point out those lost liberties were restored after the Civil war. It would be far more realistic if Adama was more or less granted Presidential powers and then some. The people would need a leader with survival at the forefront of his thinking. Civil liberties would be curtailed until conditions would warrant reinstating them. That's just realistic. As was said in other posts, everyone in the fleet would be arming and armoring every ship they could, there would be no real civilians, everyone would have duties and training until it was safe. Edited August 15, 2005 by Major Johnathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 I think up until this point Adama has allowed the presidancy and government as it is now because it was already in place when the fleet got to them at Ragnar. Had Roslin been aboard Galactica when it all started I'm sure ADama would have slapped her presidency down, or made her more of an administrator with him actually in charge. As it is, the fleet followed her to Ragnar, so they saw her as the real leader, with ADama mearly there to defend them and therefore subserviant to her. I agree that the governing body of the fleet needs to change drastically, and I think it will once the fleet merges back together and moreso when the Pegasus shows up. Up until now Adama has really kept a blind eye to the fleet and its day to day operations and has been concentating more on its defense and keeping it alive and moving away from the Cylons. His plan to land the fleet on Kobol was actually a sound one from a military standpoint. THink about, fewer ships would therefore be dependent on the Galactica, water, food, raw materials could be gathered, grown and mined on Kobol. Then the more capable craft could be retrofitted into combat ships, right now they are on the run too much to sit and retrofit civilian yachts into combat ships. I like the Zaric character and think he should get more screen time. He is right that the status quo needs to change, and while a dangerous person I think he should replace Roslin. Roslin is just too interested in keeping things as they were, she doesn't realize that the way people lead their lives needs to change if they are to survive for any length of time. I think Adama is also starting to realize this, and like I said I see major changes coming in the structure of the fleet. As for why people seem to be acting oddly, survival situations can cause that. The stress of running for your life can cause you to look for hope in the oddest places. Roslin tells Starbuck that she can find earth and that Adama is full of it about knowing where it is. Starbuck talks to Adama, and because she knows him so well she knows when he is lying, so she plays the hand that is given her. I can understand her leaving the people on Caprica behind for now. Right now they are more useful there harassing the Cylons and forcing them to commit resources on Caprica then they would be on the fleet. Right now the fleet doesn't need a lot of ground pounders and being short on fighters at the moment, nor do they need many more pilots. I would have liked to have seen her take some of their wounded though as the fleet would be able to provide them better medical care at least. The whole there are only 12 cylon models doesn't bother me because BSG has always had this thing for the number 12 in the colonies. AS such since the Cylons were built by the colonies the number 12 would be burned into their lower processing functions as well. COmplaining that their should be more then 12 models is logical but at the same time, remember that their core Cylons are machines, and machines do not like change, nor do they variations. It is very easy to make hundreds of copies of a single unit and in the process weed out any that have defects. However once you start adding more and more variety to the mix it is harder to find the "QA" issues and in the process you can turn out a lot of bad products. The Cylons are obviously still following this model, and lets not forget they are just a little insane, primarily because they have lost their place in the universe. You brought up a lot of good points vinnie, and one of the great things about this show is it provokes thinking and conversation. Once you really delve in and think about what is going on you can see how things are working and subtlities that aren't caught by the average viewer, who is just there to see the big booms and doesn't care about plot or character development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalvasflam Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 I don't remember this, but according to Adama, his fake plan is to find Earth, the real plan is to keep people alive with hope of having some meaningful goal. But beyond keeping them alive, has Adama ever actually articulated a real plan for the fleet other than running away? Because going forward like this indefinitely doesn't work. Still, it's better than what Roslin is doing. A long term plan might be to find a habitable world to repopulate the human race (not the pscyho fantasy of Roslin's vision) and then eventually go after the Cylons. Don't know how viable that is, but it would be a fairly rational plan. Also, there isn't a good sense of time just yet, do we know how much time has passed between the destruction of the colonies and present day? That'll give us a rough measure of how many episodes Roslin has left barring a miracle, her cancer going into remission or someone shooting her for being such a looney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobywan Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 It's only been a few weeks. There was only five days between the miniseries and season one. There was at least one week between the start of episodes 2-04 and 2-05. Also the Galactica was understaffed due to her impending decomissioning before the sneak attack. The virus the Cylons use is able to work because of a section of code implimented in the Colonial OS that was placed there by Six while she was vamping Baltar for access to the Colonial Mainframe. Only computers that didn't get the update were shielded from the Cylon attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 That's just from the miniseries. While I don't recall each and everything "slap my head" moment in much of the earlier eps, I do know they occured often. So I'll just start by naming the few at the end. They knew the Cylons were making sweeps of space in search of the fleet. Why were they caught unawares of the Cylons over Kobol with the 3 raptors? It doesn't matter if a previous survey cleared the area. FTL means that the moment the survey left the Cylons could show up. Always be prepared for Cylon attacks no matter what. Same way when Tyrol and Callie and the third guy were coming back with the med kit. Getting there they are all careful, but coming back, it's like they are taking a stroll though the woods. That was stupid. And Starbucks defection was... silly though you could still write it off. 320504[/snapback] I don't get it... the whole point of sending someone there was to check if there were cylons around so they cna take a chance and go to Kobol. The fact that the cylons were there when they returned proves the fact that they were making sweeps. The 3 raptors were suprised because the intelligence changed quickly. I would think that the fact the unexpected thing happen would make it more believable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortress_Maximus Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 (edited) Star Trek? I don't know, they seemed to lack good space battles, particularly the various tv shows. They always try to 'disable the engines' first... What worries me for BSG IS character development, they seem to flip a chacters loyalty on a toss of a coin and more and more characters are getting bizzare, as if what Baltar has is catching. Another example; the press/media. They seem to have turned in to lap dogs for Roslin, more or less spreading her word without criticism, they're all drinking the same cool-aid... Can you imagine in reality what the media would do with a President who says, "Follow me, I know the way to Paradise!" I mean, that magic arrow thing seems so out of place, more appropriate for Lord of the Rings. 320067[/snapback] Listen to the podcasts from Moore on that...the prophet thing is going to come back and bite her in the ass he says. 320081[/snapback] Good! I am getting extremely sick of listen to her religious babble. She isn't even erring on the side of caution. Oh and Major Johnathan, I agree w/you about the martial law issue. WTF? If not now, when? DeathHammer, almost completely in agreement w/you on most of your arguments, especially the consolidation and training aspects. Keep on posting! justvinnie, good reasons why you aren't impressed w/the series, I also share some of your concerns especially about Rosalin. WTF? It isn't about living life as usual! Get with the program you are at WAR, fighting for the very survival of your race! Edited August 16, 2005 by Fortress_Maximus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaijin Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 That's just the thing that makes the show real. People are stupid. People are scared. People place faith in things they believe in. People do the wrong things even when they know the right answer. Anyone else in the military or law enforcement will tell you that people on the whole, never do the correct things even when they know how or what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobywan Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 I don't think Roslin entirely believes the religous mumbo jumbo. But she does believe it can be used to controll her civilian population. Look at the power that stuff had on our last Presidential election. Bush played the Religous card and it worked. The whole idea behind living "life as usual" is to keep morale up. Don't you see the same mentality in Isreal? Bombings every week and people still spend time at the mall eating icecream. (That every week think only happend for a while.) Human being need to maintain some sort of semblance of thier lives or some serious felgercarb can happen. And, quite fankly, this isn't a war. This is a band of refugees looking to stay alive. If blowing up a Cylon fuel depot is what it takes then they'll do it. But the fleet will be avoiding head on combat, if they can, for the most part. The Cylons may have been driving the fleet towards Kobol the whole time. Leobon could have been sent to send the message that they will find Kobol in order to put some doubts into the minds of the Colonials about thier faith or to just get them off balance in general. There are a lot of ways to interpret what is going on. And I hope they never spell out everything for us either. The talking about it is almost as thrilling as watching the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 Some people seem to be getting far too preoccupied with the story and characters not unfolding the way that they'd personally like to see it happen. So what if Adama isn't running the fleet the way that you'd have done it? Did it ever occur to you that these issues beween the characters and the problems that their actions create are intentional on the part of the writers? Conflict is drama, and the "perfect" scenarios that some of you are coming up with make for boring television. We used to have a franchise where everything was orderly, and all the characters were perfect, enlightened people, and everything got done by the book and wrapped up neatly. That franchise was Star Trek, and look how well that turned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu legato Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 I'd hardly call the "ammo bunker" a cheat, and it wasn't really something that needed to be established ahead of time. What was more important was the cylon revelations that take place aboard the station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 I don't consider the Ragnar thing a "cheat." Such weapons depots actually exist in reality, and it was more integral to the plot then just as a place to get weapons. Also when you look at Ragnar all it really had was ammo, maybe some small arms, but no ships, no additional personnal, just a semi-secured hidden ammo depot. Now if they were to suddenly find another one then that would be a cheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobywan Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 Now if they were to suddenly find another one then that would be a cheat. 320766[/snapback] What if one finds them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 Now if they were to suddenly find another one then that would be a cheat. 320766[/snapback] What if one finds them? 320771[/snapback] Could you be referring to the Pegasus? If so, no that is not a cheat, because I doubt that they will be a whole lot better shape, except that they may have more personnel and armament onboard. In fact it would be surprising if they didn't encounter another surviving ship, just so long as it doesn't arrive looking brand new and going "hey what happened?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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