tali21 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Hi there guys, FINALLY got around to building my very first model. Total newbie at it but this forum inspired me to pick up a kit and get started. First of all let me say... i never want to sand off another nub again but i guess its all about attention to detail. Model is completed but now its decal time, iv read on this forum that decal setter doesnt work very well on the plastic other people say it does and another group says i should rather use the sticker decals. So any definite answer on which route to take would be welcomed but im leaning towards decals as they look more natural. Can anyone also please advise me on what would be an excellent colour/brand of pen to use to penline the model. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derex3592 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 in my opinion, I would try some decal set solution. I have used it on some things and had it work fantastically well, others not so much. Can't hurt to try. Water slides are ALWAYS preferable to stickers for me anyway. As for the best way to panel line...some people say Gundam markers, some say Micron Pens..(i have used these--good but very dark black lines) OR you could try weathering wash. Carefully paint over/fill in the lines and then wipe away the extra. PRACTICE first however on an old toy or model that you don't care about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefuemon Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Use decals. Ban Dai's stickers suck ass. I use this with very good results: Mr. Mark Setter (when did HLJ stop carrying it?) For a wash, I found this to be really good, and dead-easy to use: Pro Modeller wash. I use the black. Good luck, and have fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tali21 Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 Thanks guys, ordered some Mr Mark Setter. Do any of you guys spray matte/gloss clear coat on your models? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vifam7 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 If you're going to regularly transform this model, I would suggest that you NOT use the waterslide decals. Use instead the stickers (they are well made IMO). If you use the decals, you risk scratching them during transformation. I spray Tamiya TS-80 clear flat coat or Testor's Dullcote on all my models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyp Durron Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 I recommend against using any kind of flat or clear coat on a model you plan on transforming or handling. For me at least, that stuff becomes tacky and rubs off when handling. -Kyp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regult Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) My experience with models is limited, but I know that Bandai's VF are not really meant for repeated transformation. Think of it maybe as a display/posing option in any of the three modes, but never take it as a transformable toy. Not only the decals will be ruined (even after Mr. Mark Setter), the whole model may be broken after repeated transformations. Clear coating will not save your decals from scratching either because some pieces are so close together they will inevitably rub against each other. I would still use the decals over the stickers: the latter are very translucent and on this wine red model it's not going to work. If you had an airbrush, maybe it's OK to spray a clear coat on it, but rattle cans will not give you an even coat and thickness is not your friend on a transformable figure. There was an old discussion regarding the VF-27 here, and I remember I found an amazing build by a Japanese guy who didn't paint the big surfaces, but did tons of detailing with the panel lines and recessed details. I cannot find the link anymore. Edited August 17, 2011 by regult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derex3592 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 I spray all my models with Testors rattlecan Dullcote....just to seal it and protect the decals..however...i have had it have a "wrinkling' effect on some decals if I used decal set solution..this was simple to remedy by running over them with a q-tip, but did cause me to almost have a heart attack.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickyg Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 My experience with models is limited, but I know that Bandai's VF are not really meant for repeated transformation. Think of it maybe as a display/posing option in any of the three modes, but never take it as a transformable toy. Not only the decals will be ruined (even after Mr. Mark Setter), the whole model may be broken after repeated transformations. Clear coating will not save your decals from scratching either because some pieces are so close together they will inevitably rub against each other. I would still use the decals over the stickers: the latter are very translucent and on this wine red model it's not going to work. If you had an airbrush, maybe it's OK to spray a clear coat on it, but rattle cans will not give you an even coat and thickness is not your friend on a transformable figure. There was an old discussion regarding the VF-27 here, and I remember I found an amazing build by a Japanese guy who didn't paint the big surfaces, but did tons of detailing with the panel lines and recessed details. I cannot find the link anymore. I think it was here: http://auf-ewig.com/h-log/0911/091127.html but it looks as though the content has moved. That sucks because he did a remarkable job on it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vifam7 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I think it was here: http://auf-ewig.com/h-log/0911/091127.html but it looks as though the content has moved. That sucks because he did a remarkable job on it! It's still there. See here: http://auf-ewig.com/macross.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regult Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I remember there was another amazingly skilled builder from Japan who made an Armored S, a Super G, and what not. His models were fully painted, with subtle weathering and fully transformable. He took photos quite professionally too, with lighting that accentuated contours, with a backdrop of Gundam walls and floors. I also seem to remember it was on Yahoo.jp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reïvaj Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Maybe you can find something around here: http://www1.cablenet.ne.jp/shima-m/mokeii.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regult Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 very cool stuff but it's not there. I will keep looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignacio Ocamica Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 very cool stuff but it's not there. I will keep looking. Maybe it's this one? über cool VF-27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 (edited) I remember there was another amazingly skilled builder from Japan who made an Armored S, a Super G, and what not. His models were fully painted, with subtle weathering and fully transformable. He took photos quite professionally too, with lighting that accentuated contours, with a backdrop of Gundam walls and floors. I also seem to remember it was on Yahoo.jp. do you mean this? unfortunately I only have the one picture and I don't remember where it came form other than seeing it in one of the older VF-25 model kit threads. found it: original post about it here (VF-25S): http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=29566&view=findpost&p=764704 and here (VF-25G): http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=29566&view=findpost&p=764705 and here's the dudes yahoo japan photo page: http://photos.yahoo.co.jp/ph/horton1485/ Edited August 21, 2011 by anime52k8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reïvaj Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 It must be that, very cool stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regult Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 (edited) It is indeed!!! Thanks for the links! Hope this inspires tali21. Edited August 22, 2011 by regult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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