Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 I think the YF-19 will make it out, as for the 21, I think if it got as far as tool cutting stage, then it will make it out one way or another. If it never made it past resin stage, then I'd worry. I don't think the economic situation(s) is going to change for a while....so I'm crossing my fingers Bandai keeps on with the VF HI METAL line. Of all their recent Macross lines, toy-wise, this seems to have done the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Do you mean the 21 will get released? We've seen mock ups of the 21 but I don't recall any pictures of a hi-metal yf-19... unless they're just going to repaint the vf-19 and stick a yf-19 head on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 I think the YF-19 will make it out, as for the 21, I think if it got as far as tool cutting stage, then it will make it out one way or another. If it never made it past resin stage, then I'd worry. I don't think the economic situation(s) is going to change for a while....so I'm crossing my fingers Bandai keeps on with the VF HI METAL line. Of all their recent Macross lines, toy-wise, this seems to have done the best. If the YF-21 got as far the tooling being cut, it would get made. You don't pay all that money for tooling and not make the product, unless you are bankrupt (which Bandai ain't, AFAIK). IIRC, we've only seen pics of a resin Hi-Metal YF-21 sculpt, not an actual ABS test shot from the molds (although I may be remembering wrongly). Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Sounds like a few others have heard similar things to what I've heard. These rumors mostly come from the fact that Bandai has made some appearances at toy shows and the like and have stopped showing off the future of the Hi-Metal line. In the beginning they were hot to trot to show the potential of the line and roll out a bunch of products but now they seem apprehensive and the only new thing we're seeing is a repaint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vifam7 Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Sounds like a few others have heard similar things to what I've heard. These rumors mostly come from the fact that Bandai has made some appearances at toy shows and the like and have stopped showing off the future of the Hi-Metal line. In the beginning they were hot to trot to show the potential of the line and roll out a bunch of products but now they seem apprehensive and the only new thing we're seeing is a repaint. It's not just the Hi-Metal Macross line that seems to be in trouble. I've read that the whole "completed toys" segment is in decline. Even Gundam. The future of GFFMC, GFFN, and SHCM lines are seen as troubled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 It's not just the Hi-Metal Macross line that seems to be in trouble. I've read that the whole "completed toys" segment is in decline. Even Gundam. The future of GFFMC, GFFN, and SHCM lines are seen as troubled. yeah, the stuff I read said that kids ad young adults are more interested in video games now then toys. So when you figure in that the anime market in general is shrinking and now having to compete with games... it's not looking so hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Sweet... a whole generation coming up of kids with no imagination of their own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff95gj Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Sweet... a whole generation coming up of kids with no imagination of their own I can't imagine that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 (edited) It's not just the Hi-Metal Macross line that seems to be in trouble. I've read that the whole "completed toys" segment is in decline. Even Gundam. The future of GFFMC, GFFN, and SHCM lines are seen as troubled. I think this is an area where plamo is showing increased interest and viability. No added costs of labor for assembling/painting the models, and more frequent production runs whereas toys have shorter ones and aren't released anywhere near as often. Not to mention, compared to toys, plamo tends to have more variety of scale. It also doesn't help, that when comparing toys(DX Macross VF-25's, GFFMC, GFFN, SHCMpro), to their plamo counterparts(1/72 VF-25's, MG/HG/RG), with the exception of the SHCMpro, most fans(arguably) prefer the plamo to their toy counterparts(however the RG might be more preferred than SHCMpro but I'm not sure). Hell a lot of Macross fans prefer the 1/72 Macross F models to the DX releases, and I don't think anyone is going to argue that Gundam toys outsell Gundam plamo. However I do have some faith that VF HI METAL will stick around. Smaller size, popular scale(in general, not so much Macross outside of plamo), and compared to most other Macross toys aside from Revoltech and Toynami's 1/100 line, VF HI METAL has the cheapest price for a nearly perfect transformation Valk toy with minimal diecast content. Edited October 26, 2010 by Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tking22 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Sweet... a whole generation coming up of kids with no imagination of their own But a toy is just a replica of something from a previously created show or form of media, no real imagination there just playing with a figure. Games these days have options, RPG's are much more imaginative then an action figure or huge over-priced toy, I'm in the game industry, I just couldn't stand by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 (edited) But a toy is just a replica of something from a previously created show or form of media, no real imagination there just playing with a figure. Games these days have options, RPG's are much more imaginative then an action figure or huge over-priced toy, I'm in the game industry, I just couldn't stand by. You have to realize the way an adult "plays" with a toy is not the way a child does. Kids cooperatively play with each other, creating new narratives, role playing, re-purposing toys from other lines, etc. It's a much more involved process than simply having something they saw from a TV show. And while there are sandbox type games, most games are not this. If you play halo you're playing halo. 99% of games don't allow the user to create their own narrative, create their own figures and even many multiplayer/cooperative games today don't even have a shared console mode thereby removing the social aspect of group play that's vital and necessary for kids to develop social skills. Toys also help develop spatial and engineering thinking that, again, most games don't offer. Just because a game may feature "physics" doesn't go nearly as far in teaching a child how physics actually work compared to building something out of blocks, legos, or other other comparable toys. I'm a parent and I see a huge difference between children who play with toys and have little to no screen time, compared to children who spend the majority of their play time watching tv or playing games. Greater attention spans, better socialization, increased vocabulary and more complex sentence structures (grouping of words and ideas and concepts). Edited October 26, 2010 by eugimon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 (edited) It all comes down to what an individual does, but there can be a LOT more role playing with toys than just "playing with a figure". Just sitting with a figure and shaking it around going "durrr" (which is how I play with toys as an adult) might not take any imagination, but true role playing with them does. When I was a kid I created entire worlds, species, habitats, teams, missions, goals, victories, failures, relationships, pretty much every aspect of life with my figures and vehicles. I know I wasn't the only one. I also grew up with video games (less immersive ones, sure, but addicting and time-consuming nonetheless) and while I loved them (and still do) I always preferred to be outside actually doing something, and that almost always involved having some action figures with me. Edited October 26, 2010 by eriku Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tking22 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 You have to realize the way an adult "plays" with a toy is not the way a child does. Kids cooperatively play with each other, creating new narratives, role playing, re-purposing toys from other lines, etc. It's a much more involved process than simply having something they saw from a TV show. And while there are sandbox type games, most games are not this. If you play halo you're playing halo. 99% of games don't allow the user to create their own narrative, create their own figures and even many multiplayer/cooperative games today don't even have a shared console mode thereby removing the social aspect of group play that's vital and necessary for kids to develop social skills. Toys also help develop spatial and engineering thinking that, again, most games don't offer. Just because a game may feature "physics" doesn't go nearly as far in teaching a child how physics actually work compared to building something out of blocks, legos, or other other comparable toys. I'm a parent and I see a huge difference between children who play with toys and have little to no screen time, compared to children who spend the majority of their play time watching tv or playing games. Greater attention spans, better socialization, increased vocabulary and more complex sentence structures (grouping of words and ideas and concepts). Hm, maybe it was just me, but the figures I had I used to create scenarios I already knew, but I just wanted to recreate in any way I could, I didn't have starship troopers figs but I had big bugs and Gi Joes. So I guess some imagination, and at the same time no imagination, just pretend play. On another note, anyone have any details or releases for the hi-metal DRYL valks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Hm, maybe it was just me, but the figures I had I used to create scenarios I already knew, but I just wanted to recreate in any way I could, I didn't have starship troopers figs but I had big bugs and Gi Joes. So I guess some imagination, and at the same time no imagination, just pretend play. On another note, anyone have any details or releases for the hi-metal DRYL valks? Roy's Strike valk is scheduled for next month, the VF-1A Super Valks I think are for early 2011. I really hope the YF-21 and YF-19 got as far as tool cutting, I honestly think they might do well, being that the only other alternative(s) cost $100 more(1/60 YF-19 and YF-21, assuming that VF HI METAL versions would be ¥7800 at most). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Yeah, going up against the v.2 1/60 vf-1 is a tough match up since the price differential isn't as great. But against yamato's 200$ toys the hi-metals should be very competitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tking22 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Roy's Strike valk is scheduled for next month, the VF-1A Super Valks I think are for early 2011. I really hope the YF-21 and YF-19 got as far as tool cutting, I honestly think they might do well, being that the only other alternative(s) cost $100 more(1/60 YF-19 and YF-21, assuming that VF HI METAL versions would be ¥7800 at most). Hm a hi-metal YF-19 that would be as good a quality as my iJ does sound quite awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Hm a hi-metal YF-19 that would be as good a quality as my iJ does sound quite awesome. I think it would have less parts swapping than the VF-19's as well, no head lasers on the side, don't know if the panel ahead of the neck in fighter mode would need to be swapped though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Actar Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 (edited) Man, I would be really disappointed if the Plus Valks don't make it into the Hi-Metal line. I do have the 1/60 toys, but as I said before, I have always seen them as more of display pieces than actual toys, especially with the super floppy YF-19. Plus is, and will always be, my favorite Macross series and it would be a dream come true to have actual transformable, playable and poseable figures that are of a manageable size. And as mentioned above, especially with the YF-19 and 21, there designs are more small-size friendly and don't require much part-swapping. Out of curiosity, does anyone know how well the Hi-Metal line is selling? From what I've seen, the line seems to be very well received all round. Oh, just as a side note, other than eBay, is there any other store that still offers the VF-1J Hi-Metal? I'm in dire need of one that is not at a blown up price. Edited October 29, 2010 by Actar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 CollectionDX's review of the hi-metal 1j is up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff95gj Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Man, I would be really disappointed if the Plus Valks don't make it into the Hi-Metal line. I do have the 1/60 toys, but as I said before, I have always seen them as more of display pieces than actual toys, especially with the super floppy YF-19. Plus is, and will always be, my favorite Macross series and it would be a dream come true to have actual transformable, playable and poseable figures that are of a manageable size. And as mentioned above, especially with the YF-19 and 21, there designs are more small-size friendly and don't require much part-swapping. Out of curiosity, does anyone know how well the Hi-Metal line is selling? From what I've seen, the line seems to be very well received all round. Oh, just as a side note, other than eBay, is there any other store that still offers the VF-1J Hi-Metal? I'm in dire need of one that is not at a blown up price. My VF-19Kai has become floppy after several transformation. The poseability is in question after a while... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Actar Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 My VF-19Kai has become floppy after several transformation. The poseability is in question after a while... I myself have transformed my VF-19 Kai numerous times as well, however the only part that truly became loose was the wings/skirt armor in Battroid mode. Other than some paint scratches here and there, mine is holding up pretty okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 No floppiness or loose joints on my 19 or 1J yet. Got each of them right when they were released and they've held up wonderfully to repeated transformations/posing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 I'm playing with my 19Kai with the sound booster and display stands and pulled out my Hi-Metal 1J for some group shots. I wouldn't say I handle my toys a ton but they're definitely both stiff still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pud333 Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 CollectionDX's review of the hi-metal 1j is up This review makes me really want one of these now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Valkyrie Posted May 1, 2011 Author Share Posted May 1, 2011 Any update with this line or Bandai cancelled it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tking22 Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Any update with this line or Bandai cancelled it ? I ordered the hi-metal kaki,hikaru, and max 1A DYRL set a few months ago, I got an email about a week ago saying the release date would be 5/5/11. Other than this DYRL set I haven't heard anything else from this line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vifam7 Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Any update with this line or Bandai cancelled it ? Something new will probably be shown at the upcoming Shizuoka Hobby Show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midi_Amp Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 (edited) Something new will probably be shown at the upcoming Shizuoka Hobby Show. If I'm not mistaken, the Japanese hobby mag that shows the YF-21 Hi-Metal prototype last year said that it will be released after the current (VF-1's, VF-19S, VF-19kai) model is on sale. So going with the skull squadron release this month, Bandai should roll something for the Hi-Metal line, if not on the Shizuoka Hobby Show, maybe in the coming months. But seriously, if Bandai does roll out the Hi-Metal YF-21, I'm going to buy 3... For support of the line One for display, one MISB, and one to swoosh around until something broke. Edit: found this link from HLJ about Shizuoka Hobby Show respective brand previews HLJ Shizuoka Hobby Preview no Hi-Metal, but I think the list is for summer release, so no prototype news until the real show. Edited May 2, 2011 by Midi_Amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonely Soldier Boy Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 (edited) I'm very hyped about the Hi-Metal YF-21. I'm a huge fan of that design, and being a Battroid guy, Yamato's was a huge disappointment to me. Bandai's looks amazing so far. If Bandai releases it, I'll buy multiples too. Edit: Grammar Edited May 3, 2011 by Lonely Soldier Boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptormesh Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I'm very hyped about the Hi-Metal YF-21. I'm a huge fan of that design, and being a Battroid guy, Yamato's was a huge disappointing to me. Bandai's looks amazing so far. If Bandai releases it, I'll buy multiples too. Excited here as well, but I'm more of a Fighter guy and the Hi-Metal prototype Fighter and Gerwalk mode looks a bit chubby. Battroid mode looks mighty fine though and worth the purchase just for that. On the other hand, still pinning for a Hi-Metal VF-2SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tking22 Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I gotta say the 21 has a VERY ugly battroid and gerwalk mode, but I am likin the fighter, and it's probably gonna be a lot cheaper than wasting money on more yamato products. I'm pretty happy with the hi-metal line so far, except for my 1J's backpack, and as long as my DYRL 1A set is as nice as my Fokker 1S. this 21 could make a fine addition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptormesh Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I gotta say the 21 has a VERY ugly battroid and gerwalk mode,[snip] Eh I think they're sexy, different strokes for different folks i suppose . Also the fighter(the 22 even more so)is probably the best thing that's came out of Kawamori's mind, imo. I want like a squadron of these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tking22 Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Eh I think they're sexy, different strokes for different folks i suppose . Also the fighter(the 22 even more so)is probably the best thing that's came out of Kawamori's mind, imo. I want like a squadron of these. I guess the battroid isn't too bad, and I love the fighter, but the gerwalk just bothers me, either way I'd be in for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midi_Amp Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 On the other hand, still pinning for a Hi-Metal VF-2SS With proper heat shield if I may add The only thing stopping me from buying the discounted Yamato VF-22 is the lack of heat shield for the canopy. Nice to see the cockpit rotated, but still prefer non rotating cockpit with a proper heat shield. Part swapping ahoy! But seriously, I don't mind part swapping here and there as long it's not VF-100 puzzle pieces. Hi-Metal VF-1 heat shield and option hand is very nice but I also don't mind with VF-19S/Kai neck piece, head laser and option hand too... Never really bothered with the leg filler piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff95gj Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I ordered the hi-metal kaki,hikaru, and max 1A DYRL set a few months ago, I got an email about a week ago saying the release date would be 5/5/11. Other than this DYRL set I haven't heard anything else from this line. I've already got mine! No need to wait till 5/5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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