ae_productions Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Yeah, I like the hi-metal better than a mistransformed 1/60 shot from a wonky angle too. THAT is comedy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renato Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 (edited) 1) DX Koenig is probably more like 1/120 scale than 1/100 and that's why it's not part of the Hi-Metal line but rather the Robot Spirits line 2) It's very silly to say "This company should make all the toys that aren't proven money makers since we already own the toys that are." If they're proven money-makers they're going to get made first. 3) Yamato and Bandai pull from the same statistics on toy sales and probably very similar market research to decide what gets made. If Bandai makes all the same toys as Yamato it's because that's what the market indicates people will buy, not because Bandai is copying Yamato. Agreed. To those of you effectively going, "what about the VF-19, then, huh??": Do you honestly believe that Yamato didn't make that one until now because they thought it was unprofitable? Like I said, it's more likely that it's just because they simply COULDN'T. It seems they worked out some deal with Bandai or Bandai gave up their exclusive rights and only then did we finally get VF-22s, VF-11Cs, and now the Fire Valk is coming... and we may even get the VF-17 in 1/60, if rumour is worth anything. But Bandai have already hinted that the next Hi-metals will be the YF-19 (again) and the YF-21 (again). That sounds very much like playing it safe to me. On the other hand, the markets for 1/60 and 1/100 scales are quite different, mainly due to the price point. So a Hi-metal VF-4 may be more profitable than a Yamato 1/60 one. Who knows. I'm just saying, it ain't likely. Edited October 13, 2010 by Renato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 To those of you effectively going, "what about the VF-19, then, huh??": Do you honestly believe that Yamato didn't make that one until now because they thought it was unprofitable? Not at all. Just saying that it doesn't jive with your "Bandai only makes what Yamato made first" theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renato Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Not at all. Just saying that it doesn't jive with your "Bandai only makes what Yamato made first" theory. OK, strictly speaking you are right, but there is evidence that Bandai did reverse-engineer it from the Yamato YF-19, you can see it in the early development photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vifam7 Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 (edited) OK, strictly speaking you are right, but there is evidence that Bandai did reverse-engineer it from the Yamato YF-19, you can see it in the early development photos. Shoji Kawamori himself has the rights to take Valkyrie toy transformation designs to whoever is making the toys. I mean, Kawamori is the one who formulates the base transformation system of all Valkyrie toys. That and the team that designed the Yamato YF-19 toy may have well been the team that designed the Bandai VF-19kai. Afterall, it seems that toy designing is contracted out and not necessarily done in-house. It was that way with the old 1/55 Takatoku toy too. Edited October 13, 2010 by Vifam7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ae_productions Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Shoji Kawamori himself has the rights to take Valkyrie toy transformation designs to whoever is making the toys. I mean, Kawamori is the one who formulates the base transformation system of all Valkyrie toys. That and the team that designed the Yamato YF-19 toy may have well been the team that designed the Bandai VF-19kai. Afterall, it seems that toy designing is contracted out and not necessarily done in-house. It was that way with the old 1/55 Takatoku toy too. Interesting. Makes sense, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 No, the team that designed the 1/60 Yamato VF-19Kai, is definitely a completely different group to the people that designed the 1/100 Hi-Metal VF-19Kai for Bandai. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renato Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 No, the team that designed the 1/60 Yamato VF-19Kai, is definitely a completely different group to the people that designed the 1/100 Hi-Metal VF-19Kai for Bandai. Graham We're not talking about the 1/60 Kai, we're talking about the Yamato YF-19 and the Hi-metal VF-19kai. Confusing, I know. I believe that was FLEX, wasn't it? If so, they could have engineered the hi-metal too since I heard that they did the VF-27 for Bandai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR_Hyde Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 After playing with my VF-1J for a few days I can say that I am pretty amazed that everything is tight and goes together well. At this scale I didn't expect the quality. AWESOME job Bandai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 We're not talking about the 1/60 Kai, we're talking about the Yamato YF-19 and the Hi-metal VF-19kai. Confusing, I know. I believe that was FLEX, wasn't it? If so, they could have engineered the hi-metal too since I heard that they did the VF-27 for Bandai. IIRC, FLEX didn't work on the final YF-19 1/60 prototype, it was primarily SOLID. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Actar Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Darn, suddenly decided to get this figure, but it seems to be sold out everywhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pud333 Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Regarding the wings: How are the wings when changing them up? I still have nightmares about the transformable Revoltech Valks. My Roy Focker wings did not want to stay on. Just touching them briefly would be enough to make them fall off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vifam7 Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Regarding the wings: How are the wings when changing them up? I still have nightmares about the transformable Revoltech Valks. My Roy Focker wings did not want to stay on. Just touching them briefly would be enough to make them fall off. No problems at all with the wings on the Hi-Metal when transforming. Since it's not needed to swap the wings to transform, i don't know how loose it gets if one does constantly swap the wings. The Revoltechs were horrible. Everybody had issues with those wings falling off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 The clips for the Hi-Metal wings (at least on mine) is very strong and will not break free unless you deliberately pull on the wing with a little force. If you never swap the wings you could easily forget that they are even removable at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ae_productions Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 The clips for the Hi-Metal wings (at least on mine) is very strong and will not break free unless you deliberately pull on the wing with a little force. If you never swap the wings you could easily forget that they are even removable at all. Was there a reason why they designed the wings to be removable? Or, was it just in case it broke, like CM's did with the Mospeada Ride Armor extra parts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tking22 Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Was there a reason why they designed the wings to be removable? Or, was it just in case it broke, like CM's did with the Mospeada Ride Armor extra parts? The hi-metal comes with 2 sets of wings, one completely flat for battroid, and one set comes with hardpoint holes for the missiles. I don't really believe anyone would be picky enough to make the second set of non-missile attachable wings necessary, but, oh wait...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vifam7 Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Was there a reason why they designed the wings to be removable? Or, was it just in case it broke, like CM's did with the Mospeada Ride Armor extra parts? Purely aesthetics. Just a choice of whether you like smooth clean wings or missiles attached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Valkyrie Posted October 23, 2010 Author Share Posted October 23, 2010 Wonder what VF-1 is next after the VF-1S ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tking22 Posted October 23, 2010 Share Posted October 23, 2010 Wonder what VF-1 is next after the VF-1S ? You mean after the DRYL valks get released? I'm hoping to see 1D, Max TV 1A, Kakizaki TV 1A, a little full vermillion action with my toynami battlepods and upcoming glaug, hell yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted October 23, 2010 Share Posted October 23, 2010 Wonder what VF-1 is next after the VF-1S ? VF-1A Super Valks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pud333 Posted October 23, 2010 Share Posted October 23, 2010 No problems at all with the wings on the Hi-Metal when transforming. Since it's not needed to swap the wings to transform, i don't know how loose it gets if one does constantly swap the wings. The Revoltechs were horrible. Everybody had issues with those wings falling off. The clips for the Hi-Metal wings (at least on mine) is very strong and will not break free unless you deliberately pull on the wing with a little force. If you never swap the wings you could easily forget that they are even removable at all. Thank guys! You mean after the DRYL valks get released? I'm hoping to see 1D, Max TV 1A, Kakizaki TV 1A, a little full vermillion action with my toynami battlepods and upcoming glaug, hell yes. If they did that, I would have no problems buying these up. The fact that the landing gear is swapped out bothers me. I prefer retractable landing gear, but I admit this is total irrational nit picking on my part, since I would mostly pose these flying. These toys do look fantastic. Eventually I figure I'll buy some of these... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted October 23, 2010 Share Posted October 23, 2010 I hear Japan's toy industry SUCKS right now. I'm starting to doubt we'll see much mold milking unless the DYRL valks do really well (this was also why Max's 1J was just an exclusive instead of a regular release). If we do see more mold-milking I wouldn't be shocked if all are exclusives. If you were hoping on really obscure Hi-Metal releases you can probably bury those dreams... people have already begun doubting the Hi-Metal series will survive into the Mac+ era (which was its next intended franchise). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renato Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 I hear Japan's toy industry SUCKS right now. I'm starting to doubt we'll see much mold milking unless the DYRL valks do really well (this was also why Max's 1J was just an exclusive instead of a regular release). If we do see more mold-milking I wouldn't be shocked if all are exclusives. If you were hoping on really obscure Hi-Metal releases you can probably bury those dreams... people have already begun doubting the Hi-Metal series will survive into the Mac+ era (which was its next intended franchise). Well, while I knew deep down inside it would turn out like this, I was still hoping we would at least get MacPlus stuff. Goddammit. How reliable is the source of your info, Jenius? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lechuck Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 I really don't get why everybody seems so skeptic about this line??? I wholeheartedly disagree with Jenius' assumption and would wager to say that out of all the Macross stuff Bandai is doing, the Hi-Metal line has the strongest staying power out there. It's the only one that encompasses all the Macross series. That would be a lot of money wasted on licenses that Bandai has probably paid for, just to have them hang out to dry. The DX line and all the Model kits will eventually have a somewhat quick death once the second movie has had its run. And what about Robot Damashii your asking? It's a joke, Q-Rare, VF-25F/G and a bit of König Monster if you want. This is the line you should worry about, if you care... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruskiiVFaussie Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 (edited) Welll... i heard the 21 is unofficially (pray it aint so) on the backburner, and that poster with oodles of variants was just a competition to see who would like which to be produced. wtf bandai i WANT that 1/100 21! Edited October 24, 2010 by ruskiiVFaussie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignacio Ocamica Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Welll... i heard the 21 is unofficially (pray it aint so) on the backburner, and that poster with oodles of variants was just a competition to see who would like which to be produced. wtf bandai i WANT that 1/100 21! I was told the same by a friend in Japan (although it's unofficial) If they're going to kill this line they should do the Yf-21 and the VF-4 first!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Perhaps one of the reasons the HiMetal line is in jeopardy is because so many people "wait to buy on clearance" these days? I'm not saying anyone should or shouldn't do that (I've done it myself), just pontificating. I certainly hope the line continues as its one of my favorites, but I wont be at all surprised if they end it since so few people seem to be buying the toys or even talking about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 (edited) Can't say it's surprising but I really hope bandai waits to see how the other series valks do before deciding to cancel the line. There's been some version of the vf-1 out on the market for a decade now... I'm sure the market is pretty saturated. Edited October 24, 2010 by eugimon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFTF1 Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Canceling this line would be a pity. I was looking forward to a VF-1D or VT-1. Guess I'll have to get the Yamato 1/60 instead. Still greatful for 1/100 scale valks though - go well with my MG Gundams. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff95gj Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Can't say it's surprising but I really hope bandai waits to see how the other series valks do before deciding to cancel the line. There's been some version of the vf-1 out on the market for a decade now... I'm sure the market is pretty saturated. I agree. Bad sales of VF-1 does not mean anything, especially Yamato has done a good job on the whole line just a year before they release the Hi-Metal. And before that, the Yamato 1/48 and the Revy. I'm sure people would be excited about VF-4, VF-2SS, evening a done-right VF-25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 To be honest, I personally don't care a rat's ass about more Hi-Metal VF-1 toys, but I'd buy a Hi-Metal VF-0D, VF-2SS w/SAP, VF-17, VF-171, VF-4, VF-5000 in a heart beat. Basically, I'll buy anything that hasn't already had a release from Yamato. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Seconded. Quit re-hashing what we already have superior versions of! Give us stuff we don't have at all, or that we only have very poor, old versions of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lechuck Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 There are people out there, that might have different preferences and constraints. Don't have the space, money, don't like 1/60 scale or quite frankly have been deterred by Yamato for constantly being used as QC beta tester. What you deem as superior might be considered as total crap by next guy. Funny how Bandai is accused of re-hashing for their first overall version of the VF-1, unlike a certain other company... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff95gj Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 (edited) There are people out there, that might have different preferences and constraints. Don't have the space, money, don't like 1/60 scale or quite frankly have been deterred by Yamato for constantly being used as QC beta tester. What you deem as superior might be considered as total crap by next guy. Funny how Bandai is accused of re-hashing for their first overall version of the VF-1, unlike a certain other company... If you are referring to Yamato... They don't have other licenses to play with (or rather, they cannot afford new licenses). So it is meaningless to accuse them of recyling the same mold, as they are incapable of making new models. Bandai, on the other hand, is sitting on the licenses and doing nothing. Or only releases medicore products. Now that is driving (certain) people crazy. Edited October 25, 2010 by ff95gj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Wow, no one is accusing Bandai of anything. Just asking to not throw in the towel just yet. Jeebus, don't get your panties in a bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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