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On the RT boards it has been stated that Aoshima screwed up on the QC not Toynami and that the Beta is still on. Not sure how true it is but the person posted there (I think it's a mod) that they spoke with Toynami and that due to the QC debacle on the Aoshima product it has been decided that Toynami will completely handle production of the Beta and simply deliver finished products to Aoshima. That seems to imply that's not what happened with these Legioss toys but who knows how true any of it is.

One of my SCott MPC Alphas has no glue applied to the upper shoulder area at all! Either that or the glue simply lost its tackiness on its own. I've had that shoulder fall apart because of this once or twice and it wasn't bad to put back together. You may want to give it a try..

Whoa Eriku, a 1/18 Legioss would be nearly twice as big as the old 1/32 toy making it pretty huge! That's like what, 20" tall in Armo-Soldier?

They yellow, all plastic yellows (if it's not covered with paint). I remember seeing a Max 1/48 VF-1A on these boards that was for sale below MSRP because it was a store display that yellowed.

I really would love to hear what happened with Toynami and Aoshima. Who physically built these toys? Who was responsible for overseeing the product? How did toys this flawed ever make it to market? When I see a toy that makes my MPC Alphas look well-built then something is terribly wrong.

That sums up my thoughts exactly for both Mac and Star Wars. No, once it appears to fantastic it goes from technologically dismissed to fantasy. Anti gravity is completely unexplained but it has a scientific name and the viewer knows their are big machines making it happen (we see them tear through the hull of the SDF-1). Flying rocks have no machines inside them, that's magic. True, and that's precisely the retcon we see happening now in the Macross series. We did see a little bit of this in the original series from the Zentraedi perspective. The problem there was the viewer had the angle of the civilized civilization. The retcon now is splashing a bunch of magic in our faces so that later (probably at the end of Mac F) we can be shown that we were simply the uncivilized civilization all along (both humans in the show and the viewer in general). The problem is that the audience went from enjoying the show for its lack of magic to now being inundated with what appears to be magic. You can't blame someone who loved Macross for not liking MacZero because of its magical elements either. MacZero does nothing to solve the problem, it leaves everything dangling as magical quirkiness (hopefully to be resolved years later by MacF). C'mon, Mao appearing to Shin wasn't way over the top? At least Mac7 did a little to give substance to its magic (although I'd argue it failed miserably).

At least if this were an MPC you could return it for a different one (not always a better one). This sucks.

Yeah but they were fixed pose display case pieces, not toys. I'm not much of a custom guy, i like factory stuff.

Typically I don't by multiples so I wouldn't be interested in getting three of the same toy. A three pack of three different repaints I might go for at a discount. Edit - the option list should include "I'm okay with just one" instead of making me pick a pose I like best. I vary up my displays.

Honestly, for the prices, the Toynami MPC is the best Legioss out there (at this moment). The big Gakken is really cool and really large but they run above $100 and you can get two Toynamis for that price. The Toynami is also better articulated with a better paint job but the trade off is it's more fragile and more prone to QC issues. The good news is Toynami is pretty good at replacing defective product... an option you wouldn't have with Gakken or CMs (in the US at least). The Aoshima may be better than the Toynami but I can't comment on it yet. Smaller Gakkens aren't in the same game as the 1/35 or the Toynami.

I wonder if Tatsunoko demands a lot for their Inbit license or if it's just not worth it no matter what the cost to modern toy makers. I would love to see some of the Inbit as toys. The final battroid command unit would make for a great toy to oppose these baddies. I also like the mini ride armors, I wish we'd see more of them.

Yes, but I try to keep my responses very short when I do, even when I'm fighting with a mod.

I *THINK* it comes with the mini ride armor and sword also. Yes, a sword.

This makes me want to design my own board game for Macross.... or Mospeada. I think it'd be easier to do one for Mospeada. Reflex point would be the goal and from their you could kinda play it like LIFE.

Sqidd you missed the boat, you have to mix and match the arms for the coolest effects!

Doesn't the green one still just have both arms smushed together though? What an odd bird this thing is.

I used to dream of owning super sweet Robotech toys when I was a kid. I used to design how the toys would transform using my old Jetfire as a starting point. I also had a huge fascination with the New Gen mechs. When I got into late middle school I was able to start seeing VHS cassettes of the originals and started hearing about numerous toys that never made it to America. In high school I would doodle valks and alphas fighting aliens on the top of my notes. I even remember one night in college having a very vivid dream of being at a toy store and coming across all the toys I had dreamed about as a kid. Then I graduated college and found out about eBay (yeah, I was way late to that party) and Robotech.com's store. I purchased some MPCs and then some Yammies, and then a ton of vintage stuff and there ya have it. I finally have all the toys I used to dream about.

Awww look at the cute little ride armors! Crap, if the other two are exclusives that's gonna mean I'll never get 'em at a discount. At least it also signifies that they're aware they're charging too much and almost no one will buy those variants. EDIT 1: Why don't they ever put the Tread's missiles down in fighter mode? It really looks like they could go down all the way but they never do. EDIT 2: I'm a little worried that the Legioss legs don't camber. Clearly the Tread ones do but when I super zoom in on the Legioss it doesn't look like it has the fudge room. Tough to tell.

The realy reason to have a 17 instead of a 19? So that we toy collectors can finally get a great toy of it!

LOL, addict.

There are licenses involved so monopoly is kind of the name of the game. We, as consumers, have ultimate say in what the price is. They will only charge as much as we are willing to pay. If you stop buying astronomically priced toys they'll stop charging such a huge mark-up on them.

Be careful with some of those RPG books, many of the drawings take random derivations from the original lineart.

They can't because of HG and Big West legal issues.

The in-show animation was admittedly really bad when it came to the Legioss and the Tread. Original lineart is always much more helpful. I could take two pics from the series and you'd have a hard time knowing it was supposed to be the same Legioss. Sometimes it was angular with wings cambered downward and sometimes it was boxy. In that pic above there are defintely some issues.

I don't believe the wings are supposed to mate up with the chest missiles of the Beta, that would render them useless or difficult to use. Most screen grabs I can find look like this: