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The girl-talk shouldn't be less affecting. Claudia was, afterall, just consoling Misa in that TV-episode. Giving her a shoulder and stuff. So to speak. I don't know much about girl-talk, but I can only safely assume that not everything the girls talk about behind our backs are quite true. fwiw, I also do feel that Zero matches up with DYRL better than TV and it really should. DYRL is alot more flexible. It's just that there are things in Zero than can be reconciled with the TV-version. I mean, Zero was classified information afterall.

Ewilen, You gotta take into account that it was just Claudia's version of the story between Roy and her in SDF-TV. Roy's never-told-version will most likely be different. A he-said/she-said situation, and only half-true. I know from personal experiences that my ex-gfs always have had a different accounting and versions of me and my time with them.

Hey, AlphaHX. I'll scan the R2-DYRL cover for you to replace the FX-one you have in this thread when I get off work, if you want.

I'll pay $80 for the Milia-QRau. I'll pay $50 for the Max-QRau.

imo, in terms of animation and eye-candy, Zero is way ahead of Plus. that's a given. in terms of story-presentation, they're pretty much both even. both are engaging OVAs. in terms of characters, Plus blows Zero away, even with Focker in Zero. Isamu just stomps all over Shin. Guld pretty much equaled both DD and Nora. Myung and Lucy were just better than Sara and Mao. Millard's better acted than Nutuk, tho Nutuk is funnier. Edgar is alot more acceptable than Yang. edit: I also like to add that even tho I like Zero's music, the music in Plus is still far superior over than what were in Zero. Just can't beat Pulse, man.

Actually, Zero encompasses alot more Macross Plus directly than TV/DYRL or M7. Sharon Apple taking over the Macross was the human-made reincarnation of both the AFOS and Sara. Myung's emotions were the trigger for Sharon, like Sara's emotions were the trigger of the AFOS. You can also make a leap of fate that Sharon was the bad human-experiment directly equivalent to the Protoculture's bad experiment of the Evil/Protodevlins. Shin going up against the Sara-AFOS in Zero is a direct (tho, more updated) rendition of Isamu vs Sharon-Macross. M+ just doesn't add the Protoculture-angle specifically like TV/DYRL and M7.

damn. way too soon. they should've waited a week before releasing. this ain't gonna help the R2-sale to recoup the investment.

Think Shoji will a pull a Plus and produce a movie-version of Zero? I think he shouldn't because ep-5 is just a fscking phenomenal climax/final-episode unlike Plus-ova.

the hory froathing booger-head himself

Here's the cast of Zero.

Ok. Just to be fair with M7-fans... There was an M7-like nod in ep-5. Sara in the AFOS bubble kinda sliiiiightly reminds one of Sivil's cocoon in M7. But the whole Sara controlling the AFOS control was much more reminiscent of the controls of Orguss-2's last villain. Except O2's was a dude and Zero's was Sara.

fwiw, I didn't find it rushed at all. The pacing was actually really good. the Shin monologue-recounting of what happened after ep-4 was just right on time. the kamekaze-run of DD was nicely done. the music was apropos. even the Mao holo was ok.

oh, yeah. for those interested. the R2-pack. with the skinny DW-pamphlet.

Shin's Cobra-maneuver. that's it.

for the Ghost-fans

for the MiG-fans.

Nora at 1'o-clock!

Shin emulates Hikaru's Minmay-rescue-attempt this time. DYRL-style but in battroid-mode, baybee!

i got the R2 now. and... poo!!!! edge-of-my-seats-poo-your-pants PHENOMENAL CG-animated dogfight action! Especially if you have a 5.1 setup and a 27"+ screen. A W E S O M E!!! all I can say, it has elements of TV, DYRL, M2 and PLUS! I did not detected any M7 tie-ins at all. Well, there's one pseudo-nod. But it's more of an Orguss-2 nod. pic: Asuka's flying-ship engine ala SDF-1 engine in TV.

simple, easy and pretty much explainable. see... Sharon-AI has a sophisticated I/O system, which can send and receive communications back and forth on any Comm-Net equipped vehicles. This includes the YF-19. Sharon-AI hacked the Macross Communication-Net in which the YF-19 (and prolly all other UN-Spacy military-vehicles as well) are tapped into. The intrusion into the YF-19 was even animated in Yang's scene. Remember that Myung can listen to the talk between Isamu and Guld because Sharon allowed it. But Myung was blocked from input, i.e. talking to them. As for Myung's feelings, it was programmed into Sharon to emit and evoke. Remember, Myung stated before that she's not just the producer of Sharon. All the contraptions and brain-scan activities and stuff being done before and during the concert all held testament to that. But Sharon-AI got installed a rogue self-preservation and learning AI-program. With all that, Sharon was not entirely perfect since in Sharon's arrogance and overconfidence, Myung's singing-voice simply got through. Allowed or not, it doesn't matter. Her singing got thru to Isamu for the few seconds that is enuff to disrupt the hynopsis. Even then it wasn't enuff, as Isamu still had to smashed his head on the hud to totally break the hynopsis.

I didn't get the raw since my r2 is being delivered today. Prolly already at my house, but from what I read here so far, here are my thoughts: [*] It's been quite established in the last four episodes that Mao and Sara are special and both have some mystical powers (more pronounced with Sara), and that they are most likely direct descendants of the Protoculture. [*] Flying Ships == early OverTechnology manifestation. Recall Aries' assistant in one of the earlier ep discussing the Protoculture theory with her, i.e. flying, etc, etc. So it, too, was established already and should not have been a surprise in ep-5. The key here, again as I'd stated before in one of the earlier Zero-threads, is that the mysticism-part of Zero is far more believable and culturally traditional than any of the "magic" in M7. Macross-Plus has hynoptism, rather than "magic" or "mysticism". We all know (or should know) about real-world medical technologies like CATSCANs and medical-studies regarding visuals and audio usage with brain-catscans and stuff to manipulate behavior. (watch more Discovery/Discovery-Health or something). Hence, the mind-manipulation stuff in M+ are quite more realistic and is not magic. The presentation maybe somewhat magical for some of you, but it just ain't magic. I mean, why do you think beer-commercials almost always have sexy girls and stuff? --- I'm expecting Anbu and NLA will do a kickass job of translating this ep-5 once they get their copies. Hopefully, Infusion will rise from their sleep and also translate it.

here's a graphic of the Hikaru-bootscroll:

you're quite observant. yup. it was a $5 bootleg-scroll of Beldandy that i just couldn't resist getting a few years ago. plus, the clouds in it was kinda kewl for a background. fwiw, there's another $5 bootleg-scroll. see attachment: Hey How about PMing me a pic of the Goddess' poster. Thank you! OT I forgot the actual pic with me to scan for a better res to pm to you, but here's a small pic of it for now.

HAHAHAHA!!! totallly!

animesuki's listing NLA's DYRL as licensed. hmmm. this is troubling. did it slipped under us here at MW?