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the R2 is out-of-print.

Maybe if you read almost every other person's post on here, you'll see that its not the fact that DYRL is "different" that bothers people, it is the fact that it is dependent upon to TV series to give it depth and understanding. As a stand alone piece it is not as great a movie as it is with the foreknowledge of the TV series. Also don't make vague assumptions that I'm or others maintain a biased TV-fan POV; thats been mine and most other people's point the whole way along. I don't know where you got the idea in your head that we worship it as the be all and end all. Realistically speaking, DYRL is just visual eyecandy for macross fans. Thats what Kawamori intended it to be, because he was unhappy about the budget he had for the TV series. I can't see how you can argue that a movie has a better storyline and character development than a TV series, especially a Japanese TV series at that (which focus more on storytelling than syndication). You don't get accustomed to characters after a short 15 minute scene, as you do over a 15 episode arc. The TV series gave the events of DYRL gravity and enhanced its meaning greatly. /me scratches head. Based on your posts above, I don't have to assume, anymore. I definitely just know now you're coming off from a TV-fan pov because you missed all the subtleties, obvious emo-buildups and the intelligent presentations of events in DYRL and are just dismissing DYRL as just "visual candy" for macross-fans. I'm also not a psychic nor am I arrogant enough to know exactly what Kawamori intended or not intended DYRL to be. I thought he intended DYRL to be the definitive Macross. Then he changed his mind. Then he changed his mind again. So, who knows what he actually intended or not. Really. Thats a complete distortion of the reality, which you are trying to do to prove your point. The history of SDF and DYRL are completely intertwineded because THEY DESCRIBE THE SAME EVENTS WITH THE SAME CHARACTERS. while one does in a TV series, the other one tries to cram it all into a 2 hour movie. What exactly are you arguing again? Do other Macross series depend on familiarity of SDF-TV or not? Yes or No would suffice. They don't need to know the war of 40 years ago. They just need to be aware that the Macross-ship was the same Macross-ship in SDF-TV and DYRL. Require knowledge? I said be require familiarity, not require nowledge. Roy Focker's there in Zero. Who's Roy Focker and why's he such a famous character? He's the same brash blonde-haired ace dude who piloted the yellow jolly-roger VF-1S in SDF-TV and DYRL. What the heck was Shin talking about that crashed in 1999 in ep1. Oh, right. The Macross ship. You don't need knowledge necessarily. Just familiarity. The fact that all Macross canon-series are prefaced with a Macross-name means one has to be just familiar with SDF-TV or DYRL and not necessarily be fully knowledgeable of either, too. It's not like UC-Gundam (zeta, zz, cca) series that actually do requires knowledge of 0079 events and characters. I mean, if I preface "Macross"on Yukikaze, would you accept it at all as a Macross-series? edit: clarity, i hope.

The only thing they cut/did-not-include in Gits-SAC was the Tachikomatic Days from the dvd and the ending-op was shortened. Dunno about what they did to FMA, as I never saw this title before.

For the Gits-SAC dub of Kusanagi, they do sounded alot alike, but they are two different actresses. Same studio, tho. Tthe dub-actress on the Gits-movie had a slightly higher-pitched vocals, while Gits-Sac actress was more lower-pitched vocals. The FMA-dub was acceptable, but I never saw the japanese-version to compare vocals-performances..

There was silent hint of MII such as the Ishtar/Emulator violent-purpose/control echos Sara's AFOS-control. At any rate, It's even more fun and satisfying if one marathons Zero in this order: M-Zero (anbu/aone/infusion/a-f) + DYRL (nla). if you have 6-disc changer with home-et setup and you converted your r2 to r1, and you don't need subs, it's even better because the audio-experience are great in both series. (5.1 in zero, 2.0-surround in DYRL). Next week, I'll add Plus to the playlist-mix. Yeah. I'm such a fanboy.

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Actually early on, she was kind of playing the tough fearless superior (partly she feels as if men like hikaru insult her for 'being a woman') and applying this to her personal life. (pretty much faithful to the tv series imo) I found her to be the type of person that you wouldn't be able to relax around which is why she broke down and acted all feminine on earth and pretended that there was food to eat and drinks to drink. Remember Roy and Hikaru both wish she would just act more like a woman. It was almost too much for her to keep the tough act up anymore after the realisation that she wasn't in control, she wasn't able to ensure victory, she wasn't able to be perfect as she so wanted to be. Like Sara in mac 0, she's human like the rest of us and has feelings too. (and not just to her job and the sdf1 ) That's what I like about the characters they grow on you over time. The theme I see is like in macross +, the reckless extroverted types always get to teach the introverted ones a lesson. Quite exactly. Misa was playing the tough commanding-officer role so she had to be "bitchy" in order to exert control and authority over her subordinates like Hikaru. If she didn't, then her subordinates will be walking all over her, just like in the real-life military orgs. I rather not really call that role of her's as "bitchy", but rather just hard-coded military-discipline. That's her training. She broke down during their time on earth when she finally resigned herself that everyone else was gone. That particular scene was moving in that, despite being the only ones left on earth, Misa still had humanity in her and acted out the civilized way humans live, instead of reverting to barbarism. She got bitchy and whiny with Hikaru during the triangle-breakup and that's why Hikaru had to tell her to basically shut up and listen to him. Quite true, but in the end, it was all because of Hikaru and in how she wanted Hikaru to like her more than Minmay that she had to change her hard stoic ways. I think they are both good. I didn't necessarily think one was better than the other just that they were different and unique ways of showing how a career can get in the way of a relationship and split two people apart. If you had a girlfriend who suddenly became famous and was so busy that her fans, relatives, and work got more attention than little old you, you would slowly feel insignificant and bitter that you were no longer an important part of her life. You would still love her, but also be resentful that you chose to be in the military when part of the reason you chose to be in the military was to be the noble knight trying to protect her. I guess the lesson the tv series is that people need to do things for reasons other than love and try to apply it on a bigger macrocosmic level. I just like it better when Minmay was more decisive and more aggressive than the timid and fickle version of the TV. I just like it better the way Misa did not stalk Hikaru in the movie. I just like it better that Hikaru's not as clueless as he was in the TV. Which was wonderfully and better expressed and explained to Minmay by Hikaru in DYRL. Stop being selfish and think about the sacrifices made, i.e. Roy and Kakizaki's deaths. In TV's version, it was like an unceremonious dumping of Minmay. I mean, she deserved it and all, but c'mon Hikaru! You just had a x'mas lay (speculation. ) with the woman you'd always wanted! I guess I thought it was just so campy for Minmay to give up like that. That's a good establishment from the TV but it just always reminded me of Gundam and stuff. In DYRL, it was just good to me that they didn't explain it and get the watchers to focus on better things in the movie. Yup. That is why DYRL's so good because it delivered the goods in aces. The dialogues, the designs, the animation, and the music. If DYRL had not delivered the goods, then it would've been like what happened to Macross-II ova's: Mostly scorned and stuff and a bad remake. --- add: further on Misa and Zero. If you think about it, both Shin and Sara acted out the same way as Misa did in DYRL. Both had to act their official roles despite their respective personal baggages/issues, i.e. hot-head ace and a virgin-priestess. Just to cover their respective personal vulnerabilities to feelings of love, just like Misa covered up her loss. Bits and pieces were thrown in as to why Shin and Sara were like that in Zero, just like the brief Riber-moment in DYRL.

Dunno what pacing you're talking about, but I think you're looking at it from TV-fan pov. It'll be off coz you expected this and that based on the TV, but you find out the DYRL-movie doesn't do that. Depending on your pov, that's a smarter move by Kawamori for me. To each his own. I'd already listed why I like DYRL better than TV. They're not superficial reasons at all. They're actually well-grounded. I guess I'm just always more satisfied with a story if the animation is just good or even just average. The animation in TV was a mixed bag of some good (studio nue) and some bad (animefriend). All other Macross-series will not have the same allure without having some familiarity from SDF-TV. One will ask what the heck's that big robot-thingy ship taken over by Sharon and why was it important. In M7, who was Max and Milia and why were they important. So you see, that argument just doesn't cut it to apply or even discriminate against DYRL. All Macross canon-series requires some prior familiarity with SDF-TV stuff. She's a what???The only time she got bitchy in the movie was in the final emo-confrontation with Hikaru. That was it. The whole time, she was this love-sick girl. And fwiw, Hikaru's choice in DYRL was far more logical and more profound. His brazen AWOL-ness cause their capture and Roy's death. He failed to save Minmay and he lived thru the guilt-trip that he thought she will be killed as well like Roy. He prolly thought that since Minmay's dead, he made up his mind to be with Misa. Then Minmay showed up alive. He's caught between a rock and hard place. Quite unlike the TV-series where Misa pretty much was stalking him. As it should've been, instead of dragging him along and being clueless about Hikaru's feelings like in the TV. There was no time to drag out the romance the way the TV did because of the realistic urgency of the situation in DYRL against the dragged out situations in TV. That's all well and good, dude. I'd already stated that TV was all about Hikaru's and Minmay's romance to me. Same thing as the TV. Milia tried to kill Max. Twice. Max was just impressed with her in both series. He just didn't have a choice to be macronized since he was captured and there was no way out of that battleship for him. As with Roy and Claudia, *shrugs*. I didn't care about the backstory between them. To me, Roy was the badass leader. The one to be emulated and succeeded by Hikaru. That's just about it. I got different anecdotes than you, so we shall just leave anecdotal stuff out of the table. Yeah Max was sooooo dependant on Minmay and hikaru to get married. And Roy's and Kazikazi death all had to do with their relationship, oh and Boldolza blew up earth because he couldn't have minmay Max asked Hikaru what to do and stuff wrt to women in TV. In DYRL, he didn't have to do that and even jabs Hikaru for having Minmay before and then Misa now. Roy died in TV because he just got careless. He took over Hikaru's team so that Hikaru does not have to do anything and get him to bug out from the hospital. Bodolza tried to blow up the earth and Breetai's fleet because they were infected by the protoculture-stuff, of which Minmay was the forefront symbol. That was all simple and quite dependent on Hikaru's and Minmay's actions and inactions. As should properly be. The side-stories were interesting, but that's just tv-syndrome to drag out the broadcast and keep the money flowing in. I can't even begin to tell you what an ignorant statement that is. No, that's not ignorant. That's an informed and objective view of Macross series. *sigh*. You know, I dunno if you actually did watched Macross and it's contemporaries when they were all being shown the first time around to actually make a statement like that. I always had this theory about why Gundam still suckered in fans (jaded fans and newbies) even tho it's almost always the same regurgitated and recycled Tomino-storyline. And I found that, despite the same regurgitated and recycled Tomino-storyline, the Gundam-animation just gets better and better with each re-implementation of the same boring base-storyline of 0079. *sigh* . that's just irrelevant tangent since we're talking about animation here, not live-action. Actually, I like SDF-TV. It's just that I don't worship it as the end-all/be-all of Macross like you guys do. I don't view it with rose-colored glasses and stuff. I know it's faults and I accept them and don't deny those faults. That's why I like DYRL better than TV because DYRL pretty much corrected the faults found in TV. How are all these related to Zero, then. Well, Zero implements and continues the seriousness-level and the animation-level found in DYRL and Plus. Some people would rather have a longer series. I'm with that. That's all fine and good wants. But the thing is, from how much their budget was for Zero, Kawamori and his staff did a pretty good job of presenting a new Macross-based series. Just like what he did with DYRL and Plus. Zero is tight, serious, wasn't kiddie-fied and technically kickass just like DYRL and Plus were.

this will be quite a long and boring reply from me. What exactly kind of "overall merit" can you actually find in the art, animation and in the drawn-out/dragged-out story found in SDF-TV? I think nostalgia is clouding your admiration for SDF-TV and are just refusing to acknowledge that it's art and animation only made it obvious of how it's really just an average story for an anime-production. You can try to cover SDF-TV's deficiencies by saying it had more character-development or plot or whatever, but that's just plain denial of the fact that it was really just an average anime tv-series that had some good ideas. Those same good ideas were put into good use and application and the end-result was the classic we all know (but some does not want to accept) as DYRL. Most don't accept DYRL prolly coz of denial again, i.e. because it's just different from what they'd accepted from TV-version. Unwilling to adjust. SDF-TV was just a weak drawn-out/dragged-out anime series that's really only about the story between Hikaru's and Minmay's development. Every other character in TV was pretty much dependent on what those two characters were doing and not doing. It would've fit just perfectly in just 24-26 episodes rather than 36 eps. That is why DYRL was better than TV in such the art, animation and the story were all upgraded to be presented better and alot tighter as it should've been in the first place than the dragged-out version that was in TV. The correlation with Zero is that the animation in Zero is in fact spectacular and phenomenal against it's contemporaries in today's anime. Sure, there were a few rough spots with the hand-drawn cels integration, but those same rough spots were few and far between. Zero's animation does carry the rather bewildering-yet-tight/consistent-story it's trying to tell the watchers. As such, it's a much more impressive and sophisticated series than any other series right now, except for Gits-SAC. The only speaking kid-character you have in Zero was Mao, and she was pretty much just a secondary-character. People in this thread already say they like Zero better and more after re-watching all five-episodes together as one, rather than the piecemeal way the ova's were released, obtained and seen the first time around. That's just a wrong and rather dubious assumption on your part. According to my statement, you always factor in animation-quality in every anime-series because that is what makes it anime. As such, the animation-quality in DYRL was quite superb. The animation-quality in SDF-TV was lackluster at best. The animation-quality in Plus and in Zero were spectacular and phenomenal. The animation-quality of M7 was weak and quite badly recycled. Somebody will prolly harped in now about the OVA/Movie-quality vs TV-quality animation. It doesn't really matter. Superb is superb and weak is weak. To compare with other series, the contemporary Gundam-franchise (uc/ac) and Nadesico tv-series were really just better animated than the two Macross tv-series. However, the Gundam movies/ova does not have that same advantage over the Macross canon ova's/movie. I fully and unequivocally say to you now that I will enjoy Macross Zero twenty and more years from now. Just like I still fully enjoy DYRL and Plus after all these years. I do not have nor get the same enjoyment-levels with the TV-version at all and that level even gets less and less as each year passes by. The fugly art and the scooby-doo-like animation are just too much to bear most of the time whenever I itched or get nostalgic to watch the TV-series. You just perfectly described DYRL to me and the others here. The dialogues, the characters and the plot in DYRL were all just plain simply better than the TV-version. I'm not sure if that was your real intention, tho. Maybe you were trying to describe SDF-TV. I can never attribute what you described to SDF-TV at all. That's about it.

Huh? What part of Man-vs-Woman conflict does not make any sense to you? It's one of the oldest conflict known to humans. Just below human-vs-human and humans-vs-sabretooth tigers. Geezus, man. You're grasping. Did you actually watch the same DYRL as me? Coz how long was it that Misa reported they were on Earth again? And what was the condition of the Earth again in DYRL?I wouldn't call that "conveniently" found. Misa did not know that it was the lyrics to a pop song, Misa knew about Zentran language, which the artifact was similar to. She couldn't even translate it properly. It WAS the overall plot in DYRL. Just like the Protoculture (theory and legend) was also the overall plot in Zero. That's not convenience. That's a smart and original sci-fi story/story-telling. Yeah. Tell me again how it all transpired. The DYRL-song was the only tune that had an effect on the Zentradi. They were listening to Minmay sing another song in DYRL and they weren't fazed at all with it until she hugged Kaifun. Tell me you did not miss that part, dude. My gawd, man. Watch DYRL again. The Meltrans were still fighting even after Laplamiz was neutralized/destroyed. Who the hell were the Zentradi's still fighting? No, he didn't went AWOL. He got captured inside the Meltran battleship which folded out. There's a difference between AWOL and captured, dude. Hikaru was the one who went AWOL. I don't know what logic you are using, but it seems like you're very illogical in your DYRL ideas. Huh? Did you really watch DYRL? You did know that Hikaru thought Minmay was dead. You did know that both Hikaru and Misa knew it's a snowball-chance that they will be saved and that the Macross was still functioning. Huh? What's so complicated about the TV-series romance? A ditsy high-school girl who is fickle and does not know her feelings. A naive dude who pines for her and does not see an obvious alternative right under his nose. or an isolated pop-star yearning for affection and found it in an unlikely fan-suitor. Her feelings for Hikaru did not waver or lessened and EVEN forgives and wants Hikaru back and does not care what happened between Hikaru and Misa during their three-month isolation on the Earth. Hikaru being torn between his love/guilt for the still-lovesick Minmay and his new-found affection for his commanding officer that he just got laid with. Gee, man. Which romance is more complicated and more real-life again? Dude, I think you're really mixing TV and DYRL synopsis here. And, yes, it was a plot device. What else could it be??? It's also the basis for Zero's protoculture/bird-human legend. Dunno why you keep bringing that up, but Atlantis is just a legend. The lost city made sense and only got exposed AFTER the Zentradi bombardment/annihilation of the Earth. Again, it is a plot device. What exactly do you think the purposes of plot-devices are, anyway? No. In DYRL, Minmay fully explained that Kaifun was her brother and the one her parents entrusted her with. That's more logical and more natural with regards to Kaifun's overprotectiveness. Did you missed that, too? Kaifun's motivations and relationship with Minmay in the TV-series was weak at best, and even tasteless. Why a cousin? Ditsy and fickle was all TV-Minmay's personality. That's generic.DYRL-Minmay was an isolated, lovesick, forgiving, jealous, vindictive, and emphatic character. Far from being a generic. Irrelevant. Does not matter if one knows who Roy or Kakizaki were in terms of relationship. All that was needed was Roy was the leader and Kakizaki was a team-mate.Roy was Hikaru's sempai and commanding-officer in DYRL and Hikaru afforded him the proper respect and stuff that Roy's rank/sempai-ness deserves. And that's good because??? In DYRL, there was no time to be sentimental and stuff because of the real-time desperate situation the Macross was in. Hikaru was the last remaining ace and member of the Skull Squadron. He was the only one capable of doing the kamikaze attack against Bodolza himself. They weren't. They're mostly secondaries and tertiaries. They didn't need to be developed at all to make any sci-fi story such as DYRL viable, believable, and enjoyable. Yeah. Very much like in Macross-Plus and Macross-Zero, huh? Unimportant details. Macross was about the main characters in DYRL, Plus and Zero. And all three works properly and all three are enjoyable for first and repeat-viewing. Huh? How was DYRL a failure again? It's a successful movie-version, iirc. If it had failed in the box-office when it was released , then it's a failure. But it wasn't a failure in the box-office, was it? And so? Plus, Zero and 7 demands that one watch SDF-TV first. What are you complaining about again? Uhh, no. Dunno what candle you're holding, but it's already passed out and melted, man. I was made a fan of Macross primarily because of Hikaru and Minmay and the DYRL version of them. The Hikaru Red Strike-Valkyrie is still the most awesome mecha of all, imho. I could've cared less about the TV-series and the VF-1 back then. I thought the Gundam-mecha was better designed and animated in 0079, as well as the old super-robots like Mazinger-Z, Getter, Grendaizer, etc, etc. My feelings for Macross would've been the same empty feelings I have for Orguss-01 and Mospeada, had it not been for DYRL's version. edit: cleared typos, grammar and stuff.

oh, well. sorry. i dont have any robotech-dvd's or fanarts.

apparently, you don't watch american cartoons that well. ask and you shall receive. Wait till Venture Bros dvd gets out. edit: crap. url-linking is different. oh, well. pic courtesy of http://www.aquateencentral.com/ edit2: removed carl's pic coz Richter was referring to something else.

Which part of the DYRL story "stomps" over Macross TV? The turning of the background story of Protoculture/Supervision Army/Zentradi issues into something so simplistic and trite as "men vs women!", as well as dumbing down the story as a whole? I don't know what you mean by "dumbing down the story as a whole". DYRL was a more intelligent and logical story than TV. The Zentradi/Meltrandi/Human story of DYRL was more effective and better than the still-current big Supervision-hole in TV-story. You prolly only want the TV-story coz it makes M7 a part of Macross. other places where DYRL stomps TV: [*] The love-triangle was much more effectively handled in DYRL, i.e. better defined, better break-up. [*] The protoculture-angle/legend was a more believeable myth and better explained. [*] The lost city [*] The motivation and family-status of Kaifun's over-protectiveness of Minmay. [*] Minmay was older and not as fickle or ditsy. [*] Hikaru's reaction to both Roy and Kakizaki's death in the confrontation with Minmay. [*] The proper downgrading of the secondary and tertiary characters. Two hours was more than enough to flesh out the main characters and their respective motivations. Huh? Huh? Roy's death was more realistic in TV than DYRL??? You have got to be kidding me. Yup. What's so meaningful about LDA, anyway? How many songs did it took Minmay to sing in TV during the Bodolza battle? DYRL-song was more than enough since the primary use of the song was to surprise and shock the enemy for a few moment to gain an advantage. That's your perspective. My perspective is that I place DYRL above and then Plus and Zero next. Then TV. I don't place any of the 7-series anywhere besides the bottom. Without second thoughts.

Okaaaaay. Since SDF Macross has poor animation, does that make it suck? In terms of animation and the generation it was shown to, hell yeah. Even back in the 80's, the art and animation of SDF-TV sucked donkey balls. The TV-story was only interesting because of Hikaru and Minmay romance, which was lacking in many of it's contemporaries like Gundam. That's why DYRL stomps all over it. Animation and story-wise. Zero, on the other hand, has a more sophisticated story and sophisticated animation presented in only five episodes towards today's more, dare-i-say, sophisticated and jaded anime-fans. I hope that answers your question.

Ummm, what??? I know there are some who did not like the Masayuki character designs in Plus, but overall, Plus has bar none, the BEST animation next to DYRL that the Macross franchise has ever seen. The CGI in Zero was spectacular, but the hand drawn stuff I thought was lackluster, especially the drab, one-dimensional character designs. rol! You can put all of Plus' animations in the fighter and mecha dept and it still would not hold any candle against the animation of just episode-5 of Zero. Since when does animation make a series great? If that's what you're going by, Macross Zero blows away SDF Macross. /me shakes head. you're watching an anime, right? anime is japanese shorthand for animation. therefore, you always factor in animation-quality in every anime-series because that is what makes it anime. if you don't want to factor in animation in any series, you might as well just read some manga or some static poster-graphics.

Ummm, what??? I know there are some who did not like the Masayuki character designs in Plus, but overall, Plus has bar none, the BEST animation next to DYRL that the Macross franchise has ever seen. The CGI in Zero was spectacular, but the hand drawn stuff I thought was lackluster, especially the drab, one-dimensional character designs. rol! You can put all of Plus' animations in the fighter and mecha dept and it still would not hold any candle against the animation of just episode-5 of Zero.

hmm. I'm quite the Plus-fan here at MW (and elsewhere), but I do quite like Zero, too. Did not disappointed me at all. Even the music was surprisingly good. Of course, I wasn't expecting much from Zero in the beginning, anyway. I knew it was gonna be different from all the Macross-series. fwiw, Macross Zero is a prequel and set in wartime months before First Contact. Alot more restrictive environment. In contrast, Plus had the flexibility of being set 40 years ahead and in peacetime. Zero also had more aces, fighters, mechas and mecha-battles than in Plus. And animated a whole lot better than in Plus overall. The only thing Plus has any real advantage of over Zero were just (arguably) in the character-dept and Yoko Kanno's music. Isamu totally rulz! But everyone else in Plus was pretty much equaled by Zero's characters in performance and quality of the vocals, more or less. The "magic hooey-pooey crap" aren't even that bad, were quite few and were quite fully explainable and logically and smartly presented in the five episodes of Zero. oh, well. if you got disappointed by Zero, that's quite unfortunate. What I wrote above are not meant nor intended to convince you or anybody else that was disappointed with Zero. All I've done is just a counterpoint in that I wasn't disappointed by Zero and I rank it equal with Plus.

mikeszekely, That was a pretty good analysis and I share most of it, but one part: wiping out humankind. This has been rather jumped on too much in this discussion without thinking more fully about it. I think it's a wrong assumption that the AFOS or Sara was going to wipe out the failed human-experiment entirely. Recall Sara in the earlier episodes did not want people with guns to step on to Mayan's shores. And she was mostly opposed to strangers because they carry the "war-kadun" with them, i.e. Shin and the others. Therefore, she does favor her tribe, the Mayan, thereby eliminating the absolute "wiping out humankind" stuff. Also, Sara-AFOS seems to only target the big capitol ships and the fighters/mechas dog-fighting and attacking the AFOS. Consider that Shin's VF-0 was miraculously spared from the Sara's attack when he just jettisoned his armaments, i.e. only his packs were hit and not the VF-0 itself. It was improbable that the VF-0 could have evaded such a frontal attack that killed the best ace in the series (DD Ivanov). And this was clearly before Sara recognized him as Shin. Other than that, it's all good analysis.

Good point Keith. I can't help it, but I feel that all this is an after thought like the Star Wars series. I wouldn't be surprise if Kawamori release a "Special Edition" Macross DYRL with addtional footage hinting Minmay is somehow related to Mayans. I mean why is Minmay and the other Basara so special? If it's singing from the heart, there are thousand of singers that do that on Earth, How come the Zentradi didn't get affect by that? I mean come'on there are tons of old broadcast signal flying everywhere in space, they should have heard some of it while scanning the radio waves. I mean if the Zentrdi know that there's a planet with thousands of singers, wouldn't they turn tail and run from it? I hope that made sense ;; Minmay's nothing/noone special, actually. She's the only one singing in both DYRL and TV. The Zentraedi's were culture-shocked by not just her singing, but by other micron things such as the minmay-doll, the pairing/non-separation of men and women and stuff. The Zentraedi's (and Meltrandi's in DYRL) behaviour towards music were already apparent in both tv and dyrl as they have forgotten what music was. I'm not sure about Basara. That one's pulled out of somewhere in left field, imo.

I spot-watch this series and while it's got lots of parodies, it's mostly ain't as good or addicting as ATHF, Sealab-2021, and Venture Bros. However, I really did like that Ultra Cadets episode. That parody of sailor-moon anime was even way better than the actual sailor-moon anime.

I spot-checked/compared that graphic from the R2 and it is the same.

most likely it's slashdotted. or in this case, the server got AFOS-ed.