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Those vendors are just dumbasses. lol! Why the heck would anyone sell bootleg-dvd's in a convention sponsored by Bandai??? lol! dumb people.

Fyi. Bandai Entertainment Cracks Down on DVD Piracy and Intellectual Property Infringement

Okay, wondering what Gonzo-art is. I guess it's stuff like on this page: http://www.gonzo.co.jp/english/titles/index.html From those examples, I say: some of it looks nice ('wish you were here') but a lot of it is too big-eyed. Any particular designers? And/or I'm just curious and would appreciate if you could elaborate on the wow-effect. OT, but Gonzo-art is the stuff you see in titles like Full Metal Panic, Kiddy Grade, Gatekeepers, etc, etc. Almost all Gonzo-titles characters look eerily similar to each other. Give or take the differences in clothing and the length/color of hair. Compared to Mikimoto's work, where Hal's pretty varied in Macross/DYRL, Gundam-0080, and Macross-II/Macross-7.

That's a rather roundabout way of looking past M7's faults. In the first place, why would anyone even compare the animation-quality of M7 to SDF-TV when SDF-TV was more than 10-12 years older than M7. Try to compare the shows with it's peers, give or take 3-5 years differential. Not a 10+ years differential. A 10+ years differential will almost always be a significant step-up in animation and technology. That's a complete given. Even the stories are different. We were spoiled with SDF-TV and Macross Plus types of stories, respectively. Then M7 brought us down with what essentially comes down to as some weird band-story in space. You M7-fans like it that way. Others just don't. There really is almost no merit in M7 compare with it's peers. Be it animation, characterizations, plot, music, or whatever. The only merit I can think of is it has the Macross-monicker attached to it. That's just about it. It's really a disappointing series. EVA's not the only significant show of the mid-90's in terms of theme and character-development. Nadesico blows out EVA in pretty much everything, including the Rei-vs-Ruri argument, (well except the Asuka-argument ). At any rate, one can easily follow Akito Tenkawa's development compare to Basara's development or lack thereof. As for comparing M7, EVA and Nadesico shows, Nadesico and M7 both share the peacenik themes, and yet Nadesico pulls it off better with humor and smart cynicism and parodies, and even better songs, whereas M7 pulls it's peacenik-theme off to nowhere. Nadesico's character death-tragedies were better than M7's character death-tragedies. The psuedo-political backstory is better in Nadesico than in M7. I dunno who you're referring to, but I never said there were no reasons to like M7. I'd even stated already that I tolerate M7 because of Max and Miria. I further said that M7 was just severely lacking in comparison with it's peers. I appreciate that you guys like M7. Really, I do. It's a great thing to be fan of any show. But just try not to pull of non-sequitur comparisons between a 20+ year-old show (SDF-TV) and a 9+ year-old show (M7) in terms of animation and what have yah. Each show should just be compared to it's peers.

fwiw, I think Hal just need to update his character-art and designs. I want a more updated Ishtar-like designs from Hal. Zero actually had good character-designs on par with the other anime right now. It doesn't have the wow-effect of Gonzo-art, but it's also not as generic and much-abused like Gonzo-art.

And this makes sense because...? It doesn't make sense to you? It makes sense that compare to the other animation of the mid-90's time, M7 was just severely lacking in comparison. Heck! For pure animation and designs category... EVA had an atrocious pseudo-"mecha", yet the animation was great. Gundam Wing blows the mechas of M7 out of the water on just designs alone. G-Gundam had an atrocious storyline and debasing of Gundam-mecha, yet as corny as the G-Gundam mechas were, the M7 mechas were even more cornier. Nadesico's a parody of Macross, yet the Aestivalis blows EVA, Gundam and M7 in terms of the mechas and story/characterizations. That never happened before. DYRL animation and designs still blows Zeta-Gundam and CCA off the water. M7 completely blew the lead that Macross-Plus gave the franchise in animation, designs, characters, and story-plot over the other anime-series of the same period. And for all the animation-mistakes and stuff of SDF-TV, it's still a way better story and characters to watch, follow, and emphatize than with First Gundam or any of it's peers (southern cross, mospeada, orguss, dunbine, etc), and even with the great Zeta-Gundam story. Can't really say the same with M7 in comparison to it's peers. It's all about the money. I tolerated it in SDF M cause the story was great, and there is a measure of great art. Same thing goes towards M7. Dunno about the money thing, but I only tolerate M7 because of Max and Miria.

why don't you pick them up from me? my price is $11 each(wholesale) and we could use your support getting to the 100 stand mark. click the link in my sig if you're interested. damn! i should've known about your offer earlier. already blew my budget for the month of july.

True, but I would argue that your conclusion only applies to SDF-M and thats only because of RT. Other than that Gundam is WAY more popular than Macross. Making comparisons to the two outside of Japan is difficult because of so many other variables like liscencing, marketing, and distribution. Therein lies the problem. licensing, marketing and distribution. especially here in the States. Macross-franchise is pretty much hobbled by HG. Yes, we got the animeigo-sets, but we don't have DYRL nor Macross Zero. We also don't see the Yammies in Toys-R-Us and other retail stores for proper exposure. Instead, we get those super-sucky hg-branded MPCs and poo. We even got a shitty Macross Plus movie-edition vhs-dump video with hard-subs. In contrast, Gundam-franchise doesn't have any of that problem. Go to a wal-mart and you'll see a bunch of Gundam-related merchandizes. The Gundam-dvd's are all pretty much swanky in video and features. *sigh*

yup. especially in the widestance/spread-eagle mode. it's just an awesome figure to display. I've yet the DYRL-stance. Wish I had those clear tri-stands that are sold out from Twinmoons.

Along with some of the worst animation to come out of the mid 90's. No excuse for the low production value of the series. Eh... if that were such a big problem then we'd all hate the much crappier animation mistakes and quality in the original SDF Macross TV enough to never watch it, much less restore it. The animation in M7 never bothered me a bit. I can understand alot of the "I just don't get it/it's not my cup of tea", though. To each their own. I'm just glad I wasn't too put off by some comments enough to give it a shot. It ended up being a great show that I've watched 3 times now. errr, most of us actually do DISLIKE/HATE/MAKE-FUN-OF the animation-mistakes in SDF-M. Crucifying Animefiend for animation-mistakes and blasting HG/Macek for the RT-dubs/splicing are a good sport. And yet, even with AnimeFiend and HG/Macek screwing up SDF-M, we STILL love SDF-Macross. And for the RT-fans, they still like the Macross-saga, despite the re-writes and the dubs. Most of us can withstand and tolerate the bad stuff in SDF-TV. It's just that prolly more than half of us cannot stand nor tolerate the same things in M7. Especially considering M7 was a mid-90's release, so the sophistication and technology were available for M7 that SDF-TV was just lacking as an early 80's release.

I think Gundam is just more popular than Macross in Japan only. Macross/Robotech has alot more popularity and recognition here in the States, Canada, Mexico, Southeast Asia countries, and possibly Europe. I mean, c'mon. Who would not recognize an F-14 jet with a skull-emblem? Of course nowadays, you got Gundam-Seed and the stateside Gundam-toys/models to keep the US-fans' memories fresh. If only DYRL and Macross Zero (along with the toys) were easily officially available outside of Japan (i.e. retail here in US) without the HG-monkey... I still remember the days when the first Yammie Macross-Plus and VF-1 toys were on retail. It sold out completely in the local anime-store I used to go way before HG visited them with their C&D poo. I can't forget since I'm one of the ones that got SOL on the toys coz of that visit. Bastards.

errr, uhh, you know, license-debates and stuff goes to http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=153

They should replace the Choke Hazard warning-tag to Nauseousness Hazard.

rol! thanks for the laff!

heh! damn winger. get this instead. http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljpage.cgi?BAN916409

To put it mildly. I can't stand DYRL's spin on things. I have to fight to stop from rolling my eyes at how trite and hokey the whole "men vs women war" thing was. I'd honestly rather watch Macross 2 for it's story than DYRL. err, you don't roll your eyes on the whole hokey, trite, and rather racist "Giants-vs-puny-'earthlings'" thingy from SDF-TV? how quaint.

wow, now I don't know if that's a cosplayer or a porn star! yeah. seriously!

arrrggghhhh!!! why did you stick it with your Max-1S ?! You should have used some Yellow-1A fodder for the GBP to cover up.

Ime, when I shared my DYRL-copy to some anime-newbie friends, the only thing they did not understand at first was how the SDF-1 got into space. So after they watched it, I just made them a copy of the DYRL-game footage to answer the question. These people don't know nor have any experiences watching Robotech or Macross, so they were pretty much fresh recruits.

We must not forget that SDF-TV was a local and international hit, and it was still very fresh on the japanese-viewers minds when DYRL-movie was released 20 years ago. And DYRL is/was a movie, not a tv-series. That should pretty much explain the lack of the nitty background tv-details in the movie because everyone knew of the TV-series to accomodate and understand the stuff in DYRL. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean it translated well nor was understandable to Western audiences that have only seen the Robotech-version.

yup. the hole was secured/closed quickly. iirc, the scene was in slow-motion, even.

DYRL was utterly confusing the first time I'd watched it, the only previous experience I had with Macross being Robotech. Then again, could be because the audio was garbled and it was subtitled... in Chinese. Which I can't read worth a lick. But I imagine that watching SDF wouldn't have produced the same sort of utter and total confusion. -Al hahaha! in chinese subtitles. that's way too funny, man. prolly as funny as watching/listening to COTB for the first time.

Gotta disagree there. DYRL can be an utterly confusing movie to someone who isn't already familiar with the overall story. At least, it has been to many. Obviously, for me this is at the point of "agree to disagree". . . but I would humbly suggest that those who prefer DYRL aren't giving the TV series enough credit for "priming" them for DYRL, thereby making DYRL as effective and enjoyable as it is for them. Again, however, I know there are some who saw DYRL first and just plain loved it from the start. And, I'm sure there are just people who enjoy brevity, beautiful visuals, whiz-bang action, and a more direct story. To each their own. Both are wonderful in their own way. I just think one wouldn't be so good without the other. well fwiw, both DYRL and SDF-TV can also be utterly confusing to those who have only watched or only got exposed to the Robotech version of it. More so with SDF-TV since it's more easily available than DYRL.

currently, nobody has the R1-rights for DYRL, Flashback-2012 and Zero. oh, yeah. go to this pinned-thread for more info: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=153

hahahaha! so apt!