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Fabulous expounding on the subject material!!! ------ I did clarify 'test-run', because such a HUGH amount of similar material and concepts were shared between the two. GITS was released after Appleseed anyways, and during it's run you could clearly see that Shirow was firming up his concepts that would lead to GITS. Also doesn't help that when AppleSEED ended Shirow immediately started on GITS the next month. - Super Cops - Healthy female lead character with a male second. - High amounts of cyborg enhancement - Specially trained 'police' divisions designed to specifically handle terrorists - Political movements between nations that got talked about quite heavily - Mecha out the arse - And seriously heavy amounts of debate on the topic of Humanism and what defines the term "Humanity" - A 'PuppetMaster' behind each scheme.

If I remember correctly Appleseed was basically the test run for the GITS story and other than watching/reading them for the mecha you are bound to be bored, disappointed, or just rolling your eyes at some of the material in them. Both were pretty much Shirow's version of Hill Street Blue and Cagney & Lacey anyways. So if you don't like cop drama's then avoid them like the plague! "Read/watch" Shirow's material for the designs and not the babble of 'Super-Cops/PowerRangers' and the world is a much better place. Or just google images of "Appleseed" & "GITS" and save yourself the trouble, because I'm sure that there are torrents out there for the art books and such.

I think that at the time of the trailer the design work hadn't been finished on the flagship. I do agree that it's gonna be potentially fugly since Miyatake hasn't been stated as having a hand in the show. But with the amount of Studio Nue influence in Japans mechanical design world we should see something familiar. Though with the Bishie main male character....

Kinda like Macross's version of RT's Invid or Bioroids?? I don't mind either, but the organic angle is a bit 'meh!' anymore. I wonder what the capital ships are going to look like...

Yeah it does!! The center and upper chest shoulder area is very thin(willowy) and it looks weak because of it. ----- Ok! After watching the trailer I gotta say the the 3D and techno (Star Ocean anyone!?) elements are pretty glaring to the point of annoying and simply over come the simple character designs and animation in general. Now because it's a series and not an OVA I do not expect a Macross Zero level of quality however the 3D is far below the level set by the Strain anime and the Karas OVA. So at best we can hope that they've been polishing the 8th-10th episode right now because if not I'm seeing Vandread level 3D for most of the series. Akin to the junk we've seen with this years Satellite anime. The music is quite good and does a great job of keeping the old school pop theme in mind and has a nice modern style. ----- Good stuff Graham!!

Right now, and having only seen the static images, I gotta say I'm not liking where the 3D is going in this. The colony ships, not calling them Megaroads as they don't even look like them, are good... VERY good! So good that they look like matte paintings in the style of M7's intro! And I'm definitely not happy with what appears to be a super robot/magical girl transform that the V-25? has. Hopefully both will be sorted out... *waits for the video to finish downloading.....*

Who knows how the Anti-UN group survived. It could've easily morphed into a hate group that is 'Pro Human' instead of what it was. It would certainly fit in with today's political clime. It worked in M7 with the Meltran's, so it could easily work with normal humans.

OH CRAP!!! Kazutaka Miyatake isn't listed in the article as a design contributor!! That'll be something of a first. This whole pilot school junk (school based anime stinks for the most part), imo, feels like shades of Macross: Trash, M+, M7, AND CLAMP's recent anime all mashed together. I seriously hope that they plan on bringing the Anti-UN group back into the fold as the opponent.

*groans* "Macross School Days...." *wheres the puke icon when you need it...* Well since the one characters name is Nome is hope that the 'evil space aliens' pull a Muv Luv Alt on her and make her NOM NOM'd... Looks like a 'brooding, semi-emo' male lead and a genki girl... how typical. And WTF! is up with the even more elf'ed ears!?!? The zen/hybrids going to be space elves now? ANOTHER colony fleet!!! BLARGH! Hope they crash the ships soon, because the dessie's didn't get alot of love in M7 and only a little in M0.

Sadly true. My only large criticism of the series is that the characters really don't grow much, or even interaction much at an emotional level like friends did in SDF (ok Gamblin grew but he was an outer circle main character) at all over the first 14-20 episodes. Throw in a very slowly developing plot and that the viewer is left with a "monster-of-the-week" feel to the show.

That's probably one of the most direct and most polite ways I've every seen that put! 10/10! Starscreams flip transform was a great 'tip of the hat' to Macross & RT though! But that was pretty much it...

Roughly 3-4 series, bought, per year not counting the 3-4 I usually DL. It's starting to lessen because of the amount of garbage coming out. Now excuse me I have to go watch something called 'Rental Magic'.

Hiro, just like every other character, is only a vehicle to add filler for the main Peter vs Sylar storyline (aka Hero vs Villain). I totally believe that they will continue this trend through out the rest of Heroes run. But what really makes Hiro a terrible character is that he doesn't learn and continues to be altruistic and act childishly . He lost most of the maturity that he had earned throughout S1. Nothings worth than a character that clearly grows and than is suddenly very poorly written. HRG is about the only character mildly interesting and even then he's only a poor cliche of the bad guy turned good guy, and it's starting to get ruined because of the terribly, terribly cliche Claire arc.

Ya know it's sad when you nearly automatically dismiss errors like this when it comes to posts on the Internet. Too much apathy I guess. Good catch!! March, that 'humor' section is like a mini-4Chan >-<! I'll have too look through my "4Chan Humor" file for others. But on a more serious subject. With your finding higher resolution images of the Megaroad 01 she should be able to be put into either 3D or a physical model now!! Megaroad in 3D..... hmmmm....

Oh momma!

HOLY fartING TREAT OR TRICK!!!

"And the nashing of teeth stopped in abrupt shouts of praise and rejoicing!!" GREAT news indeed!

More detail! *wonders what it would've looked like at pedestrian level with some panning viewpoint*

Not a VF-4. 1. Canopy size. The 4 has a canopy nearly 3 times the size of the 14's. 2. Distance between engine nacelles. The 4 has a small engine distance. The 14 has a much wider distance. (This is based off of the canopy size.) 3. Lack of large canards. The concept work is clearly defined in this area so the 'odd VP' doesn't wash because the VP is nearly head on. 4. Lack of canard shadows. And since the canards don't fold up, but down the lack of these shadows tells that there are no canards. 5. The thickness & short-ish shadow of the planes nose and neck. These would be much thinner and longer that what it appears to be. Right now it hints at the 14's shape. Furthermore there looks to be a wideness to the cockpit area. 6. The lack of squared off shadows from the engine nacelles, which would indicate a 4. But sadly are bullet pointed like the 14's 7. The long, deep, and sharply angled wing shadow that heavily implies the 14 and not a long shallow shadow that would be cat for a 4's. 8. The tail fins are curved like the 14's and not straight like the 4's.

Well then. Since this image is 2 years after the M7 fleet left earth (2038) and the M7 series official starts in 2045 that would give you an additional 3 years of prototype testing. Plenty of time for variants to pop up and designs to become finalized. I could easily label the plane the VA/F-14, but since 4+ different designs came out of the root design (VF-4 > Fz-109A-F > VF-14) I can only call this one an undesignated prototype due to lack of evidence. If it had the engine cannons visible then I'd label it a VF-14. For it to be a VA-14 it would need the panel that's near the peak of the engines front nacelle to be present.

Mr March, Only differences that I can see is the lack of tip cannon that the VF has. But with the incredible closeness to the Fz-109A (pg 153 Design Works not the refined version of the A) that the 14 design has it's only difference (from this angle) is a slightly canopy difference and the lack of engine cannons, that looks to be the clear type, which tells me only that it's a 14 or Fz. Where in the Macross time line does this M+ episode take place?? That would help some or further confuse the issue! lol! @Sumdumgai, an early VF-19 I'd hazard, but the canopy is flat out VF-17! :\

:lol: Woof! A little warning next time!! All sage advise folks.

Contained and managed... Very well put! JB0, You are confused. Yes there are shaders or materials (varies between programs) called Toon Shaders currently now called Cel Shaders, but it's only a name so the user can more easily understand it's function and even then the name varies between programs. It's kind of a bastardized throw-back term to tradional Cel work, but the term is so widely used now it covers much of anime styled work and can no longer be said that it belongs to a singular technique. Like many traditional animation terms it's been shorted. I did mis-state something though. It's not a technique, but an artistic style. I thank Radd for reminding me of that.

Use NetFlicks then you're guarenteed to get them. BTW, Kazutaka Miyatake did much of the TERRA design concepts. Which is very neat!

Ummm did you read what you wrote? A person coloring the cel IS cel shading. It's a single technique used by both 2D & 3D, thus the name carry over for the technique. Which only reinforces the fact, along with the little music video that shows him traveling on a still ruined Earth that clearly helped him form his VP, that he is strictly anti-war. But he is so anti-war that he would just as soon as watch everyone kill themselves than protect anyone or choose a side beyond his own, and if he's forced to he blames others for his own actions (pros & cons to that). Overall I don't know whether the Basara figure was a condemnation of both the youth of the time for their shallowness, a condemnation of the nation on the whole for it's anti-war mind set, or a glorification of both! But he is a flat and more or less boring character when you pull out the whole 'super-powers' bit. But if you toss out Basara's "meh!" and watch the rest of M7 it's ok, but not awesome.