Mr March

I think you just answered your own question. Solar system = the system of objects orbiting Sol. How far does it go out to? I think it's almost 1 light year... not sure the exact distance, but beyond the outer Oort cloud, and well beyond 'terminal shock'. 428070[/snapback] I know what termination shock is. I suppose I should have been more careful how I worded it. My question would be more properly expressed by saying do we want everything within the zone to be considered part of the solar system. This could lead to hundreds of planets or "dwarf planets" that are not planets even though they are called such. Granted, it's easy to classify everything within Sol's influence as the solar system, but it sounds messy the further out you go. Perhaps it would be more to our advatange to postpone a definition until we actually have all the objects within the 70-90 AU area accounted for. It's like trying to define the characteristics of a continent which you've yet to explore and quantify.

A few tasty little morsels As always, I look forward to this Batman like I did for the first Nolan picture.

I kinda feel bad about the redefinition. I don't really care that much about losing Pluto as a planet, since it's hard to justify as a planet anyway. I'm more irritated about the title a "dwarf planet" not being considered a planet. You just called it a planet! How is calling something a "<insert> planet" make it not a planet when the second word is planet! Argh! What also bothers me is how far out into space this definition will reach. I mean, at what distance do you finally say "Okay look, we're not inside the solar system anymore." There are hundreds of small objects out there, but do we really want them classified as part of our solar system just because the are caught in Sol's gravity?

Hahaha! Shut up you sarcastic, small-handed, eye-squinter!

Wanna feel really depressed about progress? We're actually way, way behind. If science wasn't considered such an evil, heretical endeavour for hundreds of years, humanity would be exploring outside our solar system by now. Just imagine if your ancestors hadn't screwed up, you might have been born off world at this point. Imagine if we went through "modern" democracy 500 years ago and had a more advanced political/economic system now that we didn't have to worry about all these costs and complaints we suffer today. You might be bugging your parents for a starship for graduation rather than a car. Puts a whole new spin on how you view what we have and how "great" our current countries are

Gustav Holst was right! There are only eight planets!

Damn, that's a long way off

OH YEAH! I want those Tachikomas and that Spider Tank. Awesome! It's so cool that the Motoko figure can fit inside the Tachikoma. Wow. WHen do these fellas come out?

It must have been to bring you outta the home ya old geezer Good to see you around.

Aha! I knew I remembered rationing. That would certainly extend supplies. I'm not sure if the story required constant mention of rationing. Once rationing was stated in dialogue, the audience should be wise enough to guess the process would continue as long as supplies were limited. And like you said, the restaraunts and stores were probably used as a more effcient supply train, not to mention it gave the civilian population something to do aboard the Macross. Keeping the civilians busy and happy would be a high priority in such a dire situation.

This is a valid criticism. I'm just tossing out possible explanations and factors that may help. I'm not suggesting the Mars-resupply was the whole reason they had food the entire journey nor how they were fed for the first two-thirds of the trip prior SDF-1 Macross arrival on Mars. But it is a factor that could help explain the abundance of food. But how about some other factors. I would say that a lot of the supply capability depended upon the maiden voyage of the Macross. If the ship was schedule for a much longer maiden flight, it could explain the abundance of supplies. Or conversely, the Macross could have intentionally been overstocked with supplies. It's my understanding that most modern militaries do the same, oversupplying and preparing for the worst case scenario. Often times in war history, it has been a lack of personnel that hampers a military and rarely a lack of equipment or supplies, which is often in abundance. Just thought of another factor. The ship was also oversized and built for beings many times larger than humans. To say the humans had an abundance of storage space on board the SDF-1 Macross is an understatement. It's possible the ship was supplied well beyond what would be required. If the space is available, why not. Even Focker mentioned how massive the ship was for interior space.

I totally agree with this. Series like Ghost in The Shell SAC (or even in stuff like Yukikaze, ignoring it's poor quality as a series IMO) make excellent use of CGI making it look cell shaded. It's like the ultimate dream of cell shaded animation; smooth, fluid movment and animation yet it looks like cell drawing. It's a very important step forward for CGI in animation and I would love to see more of it. I also strongly support CGI use in shows like Cowboy Bebop and Macross Plus, that seamlessly blend CGI into the animated world. The animation benefits from CGI in numerous areas like improved backgrounds, perpective shots, and lighting enhancements. Also, as you mentioned, the use of many more simulated cinema camera styles works beautifully thanks to CGI use. The CGI I don't care for is stuff like its use in Macross Zero, Blue Submarine No. 6, Inital D, Robotech Shadow-whatever, et cetera. It's CGI that pulls you out of the animated world and clashes with cell drawn characters. The juxtaposition is terrible to watch IMO and totally wrecks the suspension of disbelief.

I think I now have Snakes on a Plane to thank for avoiding this film. I just had my dumb action junkie fix yesterday, which should carry me through and past the release of this assured stinker

Snakes on a Plane (2006) Genre: Live Action Film – Action Horror For a film titled Snakes on a Plane, it’s not likely one is to suffer any confusion over what the film will be about. In fact, this camp horror film starring Samuel L. Jackson sells itself so honestly, it’s hard not to appreciate for once a film being sold as the b-movie guilty pleasure that it is. While I appreciated the pre-release buzz thanks to a cult following (or precursor?) on the internet, SoaP as it’s lovingly abbreviated, is nothing more than a simple b-movie horror that delivers exactly that; good or bad. Silly and contrived from the start, Snakes on a Plane makes no excuses as it throws the audience into the life of young Sean Jones (Nathan Philips) whose father is murdered by a mob boss. Having witnessed the slaying he’s on the run, pursued by the mob until rescued by FBI Agent Neville Flynn (Samuel L. Jackson). Flynn convinces Jones to fly to Los Angeles so he can testify against the mob boss. Just one problem; the mob is onto the plan and the passenger plane has been seeded with hundreds of snakes set to emerge in-flight. All hell is let loose with the snakes and it’s up to Agent Flynn to save himself, his witness, and the crew and passengers of Pacific Air Flight 121. Knowing what you’re getting into as an audience counts for a lot in SoaP. The marketing has for once made it clear that this is b-movie material with silly characters, a silly story, and a silly monster(s). The film makes liberal use of CGI to create hundreds of snakes of all sizes and colors and makes every effort to use the critters as frightening instruments of destruction. The vast variety of ways in which the passengers are killed by the snakes is impressive. You have people foaming at the mouth from venom, snakes slithering all over every inch of the passengers, and snake bites upon every extremity you can imagine. For the fellas, let it be said you’ve been forewarned ïŠ The movie is short and keeps rolling, never straying too far from the building of tension or a chilling snake attack. There are numerous scenes throughout the film that will have you jumping. The snakes are used in all sorts of tried-and-true scenes that startle the audience and we are of course treated to numerous action sequences of Sam Jackson killing snakes in a variety of ways. As long as one tries to enjoy the simple pleasures and avoids scrutinizing the plot, the ride should be fun. The film does make a few Romero-esque attempts at social commentary by briefly going into subjects like race or stereotyping, but doesn’t really give the audience much for it’s attention. The down side of the honest marketing approach taken by SoaP is that it must live up to the camp classic that it needs to be. SoaP isn’t quite the b-movie champion it could have been. Many a fan of other modern camp classic films like Tremors or Ringu will find that SoaP doesn’t match up. It is standard b-movie fare, with the distinction of a large pre-release fandom based online and Sam Jackson spouting “mother******†in a sure to be laughed at scene in the third act. Those looking to SoaP as the next guilty pleasure in classic kitschy film fun will have to wait. Then again, maybe its moderate value is the point. Rating: 3 out of 5. While not quite the b-movie cult classic it was supposed to be, SoaP delivers a campy, fun experience worthy of a cheap seat.

Didn't they mention rations earlier on? I thought they did. Also, the SDF-1's initial fold took an entire section of the city with it, along with shelters. The various buildings no doubt had food and so did the shelters. Lastly, did they not resupply at Mars base? Obviously perishables would not remain, but non-perishables would still be plentiful. The series showed the Macross loading truckloads of supplies before the Zentradi trap was finally sprung. Just a few more factors to consider.

Exactly! The fact the movie looks terrible is the point. It's marketted as camp. Advertised as cheese. You know exactly what you're getting out of this film...Sam Jackson yelling obscenities about snakes on a plane. Personally, I adore the honesty and I can go into this film knowing it's cliched, silly, and hopefully a lot of fun

I know it might be hard to keep a straight face, but try http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/themarine/ Looks like it could be good enough for day when I'm really in need of an action film fix, but it looks so awful

We're almost there. Anyone going opening night? I know I am

Might be true. Dent was in Burton's first film as a flat character and never materialized until the third film; gawd, what a horrible memory!

Actually, my main beef with the list is ranking order. Determining what should or should not be on the list is a whole other matter entirely. While I'm not rabid enough to claim SDF Macross as the number one slot, it should have easily been in the top 50. Also, this is anime we're talking about, so naturally there's a lack of productions in the humanities in the industry. Inclusion of a large number of childrens shows is inevitable. But I digress, I'm glad you found SEED so amazing, but I'd argue strongly that it doesn't deserve any top spot or high ranking. Not by a long shot. But that is just an opinion afterall

Um, you do know how popular DBZ was in Japan and Asia.??? It was a great show imo but whatever your opinion most Japanese kids of the last generation grew up together with Goku (Goku and his buddies got older as the show went on). Of course its on the list. Leaving it off would be like leaving the Simpsons of a top 100 most loved American cartoons.. 425284[/snapback] Uh, the high ranking on that list is my whole problem the Newtype Top 100. If you'd bother to notice, I never wrote Dragonball Z didn't deserve inclusion (that's a whole other matter), only that it's ranked ridiculously high and over far better anime. How about a nice follow up to Dragonball Z/The Simpsons analogy to help hammer the point home. Titanic is the most popular and financially successful motion picture of all time. It must come as some surprise to learn that Titanic does NOT appear on the IMDB Top 250, nor does Titanic find itself included on the AFI 100 Greatest Films of All Time. Popularity does not equal quality, a fact Newtype should learn to appreciate. Go roll your eyes at them.

I'll grant SEED was passable, what little I saw. But then again, this is a top list and "alright" doesn't cut it IMO. Defeats the whole purpose of a "top" list

Am I having flashbacks from another forum or was this posted already. I know this thread has been around before and the list is garbage as much now as it was then.

I'd like to think there are some comments that are worthwhile reading. Especially I'd like to hear what Martin thought of the Hong Kong flick and what direction he's taking with this remake. But I'd honestly expect either polite condescension from a creative standpoint or I'm-listening-to-my-agent-and-lauding-undue-praise-on-the-original no doubt so they can please fans of the original.

Only thing worse than anime top lists are science fiction top lists Gundam Seed...Gundam SEED? Do these people want to be made fun of? Is Newtype's hate mail server slow and they need to justify a departmental budget this year? NGE over Cowboy Bebop, Akira, or Ghost in the Shell? Not in this universe. Macross Plus should be on any top anime list, especially a top 100. Mac+ is to anime like the Reservoir Dogs is to 90's film; it's Watanabe's breakout before he delivered his magnum opus via Cowboy Bebop. Dragonball Z, Steamboy, RahXephon, New Mobile Report Gundam W, Sailor Moon...gawd there's some high ranked crap on that list. And most of it beat out Super Dimension Fortress Macross (Dimensional...does it say something about an anime website that can't get this one right?). I'd laugh if it wasn't so damn sad.