Oihan Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 You know the hole they made to send Bretai through? Why couldn't they just all go out through that hole as well and escape??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamjin 639 Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 I always kinda figured that Misa's capture had something to do with it... But then again, Hikaru could have always ordered Vermilion Group to withdraw and leave their mission objective behind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oihan Posted June 29, 2004 Author Share Posted June 29, 2004 ....Right when Max tells Kai...(I can't remember how to spell his name for the likes of me) to fire missiles into the hole to create an opening...the hole is obviously big enough to send Bretai through, so I don't see how one of them could have picked up Misa and each of them could have flown through the hole "Ben" made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valk1j Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 ....Right when Max tells Kai...(I can't remember how to spell his name for the likes of me) to fire missiles into the hole to create an opening...the hole is obviously big enough to send Bretai through, so I don't see how one of them could have picked up Misa and each of them could have flown through the hole "Ben" made. Thats always been a WTF scene. They even start cutting another hole with head lasers. Doesn't Max actually get sucked out of said hole? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchVile Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 I think Max flees through that hole... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Max flies through the hole, but it seals behind him (i believe). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 IIRC in the TV series, hull breaches on Zentradi ships are quickly sealed by armor plates which automatically slide into position when a breach is detected. I think the same is true of the SDF-1 as well. I've always imagined Zentradi ships to have an inner and outer hull, a bit like modern submarines, with a number of emergency hull breach cover plates located between the two hulls. Obviously there must be a finite number of breach plates available and it may take a few seconds or minutes for the nearest plate to travel to the location of the breach, which could explain why sometimes a breach is sealed almost at once, but other times it takes longer. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oihan Posted June 29, 2004 Author Share Posted June 29, 2004 Thanks Keith, Graham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Well, that was always a question in my mind why they didn't escape thru the hole but thanks to Graham's explaination, I am sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treatment Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 yup. the hole was secured/closed quickly. iirc, the scene was in slow-motion, even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingNor Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 yup. the hole was secured/closed quickly. iirc, the scene was in slow-motion, even. eh.. maybe, it's hard to tell with the animation in MTV (macross television) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 As I recall, they did have the chance of escaping, however Misa insisted they first jammed the ship sensor/communication system first (the Macross went blind earlier). Maybe Max cutting a hole with his valk laser head is to hotwire some circuit to do some internal system damage. And then again, if they didn`t escape, they would never had a chance to introduce direct culture shock to Bodolza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oihan Posted June 30, 2004 Author Share Posted June 30, 2004 I have another question, it doesn't pretain to episode 10 but to Macross in general. Why aren't the Prometheus and Daedalus aren't seen in Macross Plus and etc.? Is it because they're going based of the DYRL designs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamjin 639 Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 I'm pretty sure that the Prometheus and Deadalus are in Macross Plus; they are, of course, half-way underwater and there aren't a lot of good shots of the fortress... but its just that there's so many suspension wires attached to the Macross that you can't really make-out where the fortress ends and the city begins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oihan Posted June 30, 2004 Author Share Posted June 30, 2004 They are in fact not attached to the Macross in Macross Plus. I just skimmed through it to make sure I missed it or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panon Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 I have another question, it doesn't pretain to episode 10 but to Macross in general. Why aren't the Prometheus and Daedalus aren't seen in Macross Plus and etc.? Is it because they're going based of the DYRL designs? Both were all but destroyed in the final episode. When the Macross was later restored, they were replaced by ARMD carriers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 The Daedelus arm was destroyed by Kamjin's ramming attempt in the last episode, don't think the Prometheus was though. But considering the overall mass of the ship was increased with the refit, as well as a minor asthetic redesign, it makes more sense to add new ARMD carriers than to rebuild two ships that shouldn't have been there in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamjin 639 Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 The Daedelus arm was destroyed by Kamjin's ramming attempt in the last episode, don't think the Prometheus was though... What would have been interesting would be if they decided to replace the destroyed Daedelus cruiser with an ARMD vessel and leave/restore the Prometheus! Totally blows the symmetry of the ship, though, but it would like, you know, give the tourists a trip down memory lane, old-meets-new technology kind of stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skull Leader Posted June 30, 2004 Share Posted June 30, 2004 It's a fair assumption that the remains of the Daedelus and Prometheus were probably salvaged and melted down to scrap metal for other projects. It seems anti-progressive to leave either of the supercarriers dead and trashed in the water. Then again, who knows? That has to be one deep lake to keep the Macross supported. I suppose they could be down there somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renato Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 It's a fair assumption that the remains of the Daedelus and Prometheus were probably salvaged and melted down to scrap metal for other projects. It seems anti-progressive to leave either of the supercarriers dead and trashed in the water. Then again, who knows? That has to be one deep lake to keep the Macross supported. I suppose they could be down there somewhere. Well, I think the "lake" was originally the barrel of the Grand Cannon, right? So, yeah, it's pretty darn deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingNor Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 i've never understood why the armd carriers were attached to the SDF at all. the prometheus and daedelus kinda made sence since they were big resourses, and couldn't move under their own power in space. but why have the space carriers attached when they could just fly next to the macross? seems weird, like the creators just desperately want macross to have human shape (pet peeve) any GOOD reasons they are attached? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anubis Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 (edited) Yeah, there's a big reason for the ARMD carriers. That's where a large bulk of the VF-1's were stored. No ARMD's = not nearly as many valks. Edited July 2, 2004 by Anubis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 Not only Valkyries, but Destroids too. Plus if you think about it, it's a great way to re-supply a ship (mini docking ships that can come and go as they please). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewilen Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 The question is, why attach them physically to the SDF-1? They might as well just hang out near it. Several ideas here: 1) SDF-1 is faster than the ARMD's. 2) SDF-1 has fold, ARMD's don't. 3) SDF-1 has pinpoint and/or omnidirectional barrier, ARMD's don't. (Except that, in the series at least, the barriers aren't developed until after it's already shown that the ARMD's are designed to dock with SDF-1.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent ONE Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 The question is, why attach them physically to the SDF-1? They might as well just hang out near it.Several ideas here: 1) SDF-1 is faster than the ARMD's. 2) SDF-1 has fold, ARMD's don't. 3) SDF-1 has pinpoint and/or omnidirectional barrier, ARMD's don't. (Except that, in the series at least, the barriers aren't developed until after it's already shown that the ARMD's are designed to dock with SDF-1.) Also: Zjentohlauedy had no problem destroying any and all other UN Spacy ships, but didn't seem to want to directly hit the Macross... Therefore attaching other ships to the Macross ensnares them in the mystique and fear that the Zjentohlauedy have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 (edited) Considering the Macross has an overtech nuclear reaction furnace to run on, the question is do the ARMD carriers run on some kind of conventional fuel system, or perhaps an inferior reactor? It may save them on fuel/energy to dock. It may also just be a protection thing. While they did have a large mecha compliment, they didn't seem to do all that well defensively against the Zentradi. Wait a minute, what the hell are we discussing this for? The ARMD carriers/Dadedelus & Prometheus were there so the Macross could transform into a giant robot & look cool with arms damnit! How can it punch through hull's if it doesn't have any arms! No other reason needed Edited July 2, 2004 by Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final Vegeta Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 Obviously to gain a human shape, but also the ship was already crowded by a city, and they need some space for mecha. FV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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