hellohikaru Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 DI Tornado: Even the IDS GR4 has no auto-wing sweep. Not too bad as long you stay within the speed limits for each of the 3 positions. Try dropping a bomb along the flight path of a pursuing fighter or a slow flying helicopter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted October 11, 2004 Author Share Posted October 11, 2004 David, I'm pretty sure the ADV has the auto sweep, IDS might have hjad it implemented later but as far as I know ADV had it featured in the F.3 version. AS far as the thunderchief, that badboy scored quite a couple mig kills in vietnam, most with gun too!!! I love that plane. I think i like almost all fighter bombers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 (edited) Going to have to look it up. I know one does, and one doesn't. ::looks:: Ok it seems (according to WAPJ), early ADV's didn't have auto-sweep, but later ones did, and early ones are were retrofitted. Checking more, they specifically mean F2 vs F3. Upgraded F2's are F2a's, but are now out of service (since they never got the engine upgrade--it's possible they simply couldn't). So all F3's were built with auto-sweep, with F2's being retrofitted. Edited October 11, 2004 by David Hingtgen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellohikaru Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 The AMI had leased some ADVs but i think they have been returned and replaced by F-16A/Bs. The flying club Saudi AF is the only other operator of the ADV and even they have considered taking on the wild weasel role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted October 11, 2004 Author Share Posted October 11, 2004 david and lynx, thanks guys. Thanks hikaru for the PM as well. OK. New topic. F-20 vs GRipen Similar size, highly manueverable, same engine? This battle is for A2A role. Gripen can get into the air with shorter runway to my knowledge. VIggen vs MIrage2000 Deltas. One has canards, the other does not. European delta canard super match Eurofighter VS Rafale VS Gripen A2A and strike. & for kicks. Mirage 2000 vs Rafale. BTW did anyone ever figure out why the eurofighter will not retain its gun in some services? It's a shame really. It is a GREAT knifefighter. also for kicks. YF-17 vs F/A-18F. knife fight. Cobra vs the drag whore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangard Ace Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 (edited) Enough. I'm not locking this one just yet. Resume this thread from the last post I didn't delete in 10mins. Thread cleaned. Watch your six. Edited October 11, 2004 by Dangard Ace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellohikaru Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 This is much better F-20 vs GRipenSimilar size, highly manueverable, same engine? This battle is for A2A role. Gripen can get into the air with shorter runway to my knowledge. hmmm....current version of the Gripen is JAS39C vs the F-20A. This one is hard. Gripen is one of the most integrated fighters around and Sweden has tons of experience in fighter datalink. For BVR combat both would carry a similar load of missiles. But Gripen got Slammers compared with the Sparrows Tigershark tested with. You be the judge In a knifefight the current Gripen is a bit underpowered but does have the benefit of Iris-T. Tigershark should be cheaper to purchase and operate. Frankly i love them both. VIggen vs MIrage2000Deltas. One has canards, the other does not. Viggen is my pick amount the 2. It has STOL capability plus datalink plus Slammers. Its definitely better than an early model Mirage but still a bit short handed vs 2000-5 upgraded planes. The Viggen is a bit short legged compared with the 2000 though and always flies with a centerline drop-tank. With Mica, uprated engine and avionics the 2000 is a bit too much for the Viggen. European delta canard super match Eurofighter VS Rafale VS Gripen A2A and strike. & for kicks. Mirage 2000 vs Rafale. Among this trio the Gripen would be at the lower end of the spectrum in both A2A and strike with the EF2000 being the more powerful A2A fighter the Rafale optimised for the air-to-ground and multi-role. Rafale vs Mirage 2000 ? Depends which pilots sneezes first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 I'll pick up on the F-20 vs Gripen after I re-read my main Gripen info. (Too late tonight, gotta go to bed, already up later than I planned) Gripen's great and as modern as it gets, but the F-20 is just so darn lightweight and agile, and has its 30 sec start-up. Might want to add in the X-29 too, another plane with a single F404. I've got to read up more on the Rafale too, since AC5 has the RM01 and RB01. I honestly hadn't heard of a "RB01" until I saw it on the AC site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted October 11, 2004 Author Share Posted October 11, 2004 30 sec startup? Awesome!! Looks like this one is a close fight! is RB01 the 2 seat rafale? I of course, like the naval rafale. Looks pretty sweet also. Do you guys think britain will go ahead with a naval EF2000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-ZeroOne Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 We British will do whatever takes the longest, costs the most and makes the least sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Just looked it up: RB01 is the designation for the 2-seat non-naval Rafale PROTOTYPE. AC has always mixed up "specific aircraft designation" with "model type" for the Rafale family. It's like if they said "F-14 AB204". Well, that's a specific plane in a squadron, not a type. Same for "RB01". Quick Rafale list: Rafale C: Standard Rafale. Rafale B: 2-seat Rafale. Rafale M: Naval Rafale Rafale N: 2-seat Naval Rafale Yes, B and C are 'backwards' for their names. And I don't know why AC says "80% parts commonality" for the B and M, I figure it'd be like 95%---they look about as similar as a US Naval and a Canadian land-based Hornet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynx7725 Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 <innocent look> They count paint as parts? </innocent look> :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted October 11, 2004 Author Share Posted October 11, 2004 Nope!! But some color schemes are prototype/variant specific. Green camo was seen on the F-15B/E strike eagle testbeds. F-15E sports dark grey. SU-37 had forest camo. F-14 engine testbeds for ATE and GE-F110 DFE were red white and blue. got an interesting matchup. F-35C(w/gunpod) vs MIG-29SMT. KNife fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellohikaru Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 F-35C capabilities are still a bit vague at this stage but i guess in a knightfight it should be nothing too special. Full MiG-29SMT upgrade includes upgraded but not new radar, MIG-29M parts, more powerful engines and 2 extra weapon pylons. Cockpit displays also updated. Extra thrust balanced out by increased in weight. Could go either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted October 12, 2004 Author Share Posted October 12, 2004 ooo. Which parts on the MIG-29M? Hey guys will FRAAM be a lot more heavier than the AMRAAM and be in a size class similar to phoenix? and any update on the YF-23 potentially being used as a regional bomber proposal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellohikaru Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 ooo. Which parts on the MIG-29M? ---------------------------------------- From what i gather the full MiG-29SMT upgrade package will have: -RD-43 engines, 3D thrust vectoring. -Air intakes likes those of the 29M with anti-FOD grills. -The tail sting with a single airbrake of the 29M -A new radar from the zhuk series with the MiG-29M nose. - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellohikaru Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 sigh....if only the Luftwaffe had sign up for them. Superior to their MiG-29A 10 years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted October 12, 2004 Author Share Posted October 12, 2004 OOOOO!!! F-20 vs MIG-29SMT F-4 2000 KURnass vs Kfir/mirage 2000 BTW is storm shadow the missle used by the rafale in AC4?(pod with wings that fires and spreads cluster bomblets) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellohikaru Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 hmm...becoming a bit of a Q & A exercise here F-20 vs MIG-29SMT Fully upgraded Fulcrum wins, simply better agility, R-77, TVC. Of course with upgraded F-20 its a different story. F-4 2000 KURnass vs Kfir/mirage 2000 Depends which version of Kfir/Mirage 2000, but upclose both will owned the Phantom. BTW is storm shadow the missle used by the rafale in AC4?(pod with wings that fires and spreads cluster bomblets) Its the Scalp EG standoff weapon. Both are based on the Apache launch vehicle. But i suspect when Namco made AC4 they were using Matra Apache as the weapon potrayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Who knew the Su-27 had engaged the MiG-29 in combat (and won, big time)? http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_189.shtml For that matter, that entire war went unreported, I don't recall ever hearing about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noyhauser Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 (edited) Probably wouldn't hear about it, because its a sad truth that the west doesn't care too much about these states. Rwanda anyone? ... this is one of those african civil wars that just breaks people's hearts.... during the 1990s these two countries were slaughtering each other and were in the grips of massive famine. And then they spend hundreds of millions on modern fighters instead of their own people... just terrible. Although, I must admit, the attraction of the bush league pilot is there... you as one pilot are an airforce of one. .... still though... with such suffering going on... Edited October 14, 2004 by Noyhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellohikaru Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Noyhauser is right on the west's(and practically the rest of the world) neglect on those poor african states because of a lack of interest there. The war particularly the air battle between Ethiopian and Erithian planes does actually get some limited coverage in certain publication like Air International and maybe Air Forces. You certainly won't hear anything from the likes of CNN or BBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted October 14, 2004 Author Share Posted October 14, 2004 the one battle mentioned at that site,, describing the girl flanker pilot who shot down her mentor, was vry interesting. That site rocks! So informative~!! Any info on the mirage F.1? and... Mirage F.1 vs MIrage 2000 vs rafale. The fresnch sure have a thing for deltas huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Rafale. Mirage's suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mislovrit Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Who knew the Su-27 had engaged the MiG-29 in combat (and won, big time)?http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_189.shtml For that matter, that entire war went unreported, I don't recall ever hearing about it. I heard about this roughly a year ago, mainly due to the Russian and Ukrainian involvement in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D2W Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Well it's been a while since I posted, I just moved to Virginia Well the other day I went to Oceana and I saw that they were dismantled Jolly Roger tomcats in the hanger bay. Apparently they converted over to hornets. What a bummer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Who knew the Su-27 had engaged the MiG-29 in combat (and won, big time)?http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_189.shtml For that matter, that entire war went unreported, I don't recall ever hearing about it. Oh yeah I heard about that right before it happened, well heard about the aircraft purchases, my friends and I called it the ultimate fly off between the Mig-29 and the Su-27. I just wish there was more information on the actual engagement, gun camera footage would be so sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 sigh....if only the Luftwaffe had sign up for them. Superior to their MiG-29A 10 years later. Mmmm, Mig-29 and F-20 tigershark fighting side by side, man that would be sweet. of course it also makes you wonder about the prototype that "disappeared." Look it up, one of the F-20 prototypes is currently unaccounted for, no one knows what happened to it, been a mystery at Northrop for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellohikaru Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 2 of the F-20 had fatal accidents one at Suwon and the other at Goose Bay. The remaining F-20A is currently at the California Science Center. http://www.californiasciencecenter.org/Exh...aft/F20/F20.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellohikaru Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Guys F-100D Super Sabre vs MiG-21MF Fishbed-J F-100 -> 4 x M39 Guns, 4 x AIM-9B Sidewinders, 2X Drop Tanks MiG -> 1x Gsh23, 4 x AA-2 Atolls, 1x Centerline Tank Who wins in the dogfight ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 (edited) I was never fond of the F-100, and even the superior-in-every-way-possible F-8 didn't have an easy time with MiG-21's. I vote MiG-21. Also, the AIM-9B sucks. AIM-9D is MUCH better, but is Navy-only. Edited October 17, 2004 by David Hingtgen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellohikaru Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 I am not exactly sure but can't the F-100 carry the improved AIM-9E/J models. It is interesting to note that the F-100D was ordered as a fighter-bomber with little effort to make it an effective air superiority fighter. With so much weight gain and little improvement in thrust the Hun quickly lost it agility and was sluggish compared with other USAF fighters of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellohikaru Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Czech AF gets their first Gripen multi-role fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellohikaru Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Here it is taking off. Expect to see it repainted soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skull Leader Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 (edited) Well the other day I went to Oceana and I saw that they were dismantled Jolly Roger tomcats in the hanger bay. Apparently they converted over to hornets. What a bummer errr, no? They should still be out to sea on the kennedy for the time being, unless there's something I missed? Gotta be older planes or something. Edited October 22, 2004 by Skull Leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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