Rank your Macross pilots

[Shaka_Z]

thing is, if you restrict things to fighter mode only, Hikaru would probably be #1 on that list followed closely by Roy and Isamu who would Tie for 2nd. although there is a possibility Isamu would be #1 in that case.

[Birdman]

First, as someone else pointed out, he was good with hitting targets with speaker pods. Second, I'm pretty sure the original post said "pure pilot excellence in battle," not "best combat pilot."

Okay, I'm not pretty sure, I'm very sure. I went back and checked.

But I'm not going to argue the point anymore. Really, the only reason I'm championing Basara is because it's kind of fun to see (despite the fact that he is clearly one of the best pilots out there) so many people coming up with so many inventive reasons NOT to include him...

BOMBAA!!

Don't get me wrong. I'm not one of the haters (I like M7) but I know that if I had to recruit military pilots, I wouldn't want Basara as first choice. How effective do you think he would've been against someone other than the protodevlin? He's very talented but lacks the discipline needed to master his machine under all circumstances. He probably didn't 'feel' like learning/practicing to fly in Gerwalk mode, hence his poor performance there.

This whole topic is very subjective though. For pure flying skills I'd say the members of the Angel Birds are among the very best. Would Max or Isamu have cut it there? We don't know (actually I'd say Max yes, Isamu no ) . Flying in extremely unusual attitudes in a tight formation while pulling G's probably requires a very different skill set than the aggressiveness & reflexes needed to succeed in combat.

[Agent ONE]

Max admitted that Basara was the better pilot, so I think he'd have to head the list...

Typo in the subs... Max said that Basara was a better SINGER.

Max sings in a barbershop quartet with Exodol, Vrlitwhai, and a trash collection robot.

[Dangard Ace]

This whole topic is very subjective though. For pure flying skills I'd say the members of the Angel Birds are among the very best. Would Max or Isamu have cut it there? We don't know (actually I'd say Max yes, Isamu no ) . Flying in extremely unusual attitudes in a tight formation while pulling G's probably requires a very different skill set than the aggressiveness & reflexes needed to succeed in combat.

I'd say Isamu Yes, Max no. No one else can sky write the dinosaur bird like he can and in a prototype plane to boot. All Max has done is some creative flying and skirt chasing as soon as Millia shows up.

[Birdman]

I'd say Isamu Yes, Max no. No one else can sky write the dinosaur bird like he can and in a prototype plane to boot.

Solo, yes! For sure without any doubt he'd blow the doors off anyone, including Max. As part of a team like the Angel Birds, never! Especially if he's not the lead ship.

All Max has done is some creative flying and skirt chasing as soon as Millia shows up.

Yeah, but he did it 3 times!

[dreamweaver13]

Well, again...is the original post about combat skill or piloting skill? If it's the former, then yes, Basara's out of the running. I f it's the latter, then he counts.

yup, i did say "pure pilot excellence in battle," and not "best combat pilot". on the other hand, even if i went so far as specifically saying, "best attacker" or something like that, i can't really rule basara out. we're talking about "skill", and not kill count. in fact, i'd say that when Hikaru and Max were hitting the pods' weak spots instead of blowing them up, that required so much more "battle/combat" skills than usual. so... even if basara refuses to attack, i can't say for certain that he won't be effective or deadly when he does decide to. all evidence indicates that he would be. he doesn't seem to have difficulty hitting with those speaker pods. imagine if those were live rounds.

so, bottom line, as much as dislike basara, i think he's still up there even as a combat pilot. (although milla did give him a lesson or two in flying gerwalk. hehe.)

[adrianop]

Personal preference in ranking:

Champion

1. Maximillian Jenius

Next 9

2. Isamu Dyson, Guld Bowman

4. Chlore

5. Milia Fallyna

6. D.D. Ivanov

7. Roy Focker

8. Nekki Basara

9. Ozma Lee

10. Gamlin

Next 10

11. Hikaru Ichijyo

12. Michel Blanc

13. Alto Saotome, Brera Sterne

15. Klan Klan

16. Docker

17. Nora Polyansky

18. Shin Kudo

19. Kanaria Berstein

20. Mylene Jenius

Special Mention Worst: Sheryl Nome

[Gubaba]

Special Mention Worst: Sheryl Nome

Now that's just unfair...as other people have mentioned, Sheryl's WAAAY better than Misa!

[dreamweaver13]

Now that's just unfair...as other people have mentioned, Sheryl's WAAAY better than Misa!

YES SO TRUE! you can't list sheryl as the worst without including misa in the list.

and far as i know, misa can't even sing (well, she does sing when she's drunk and heartbroken). so even as a "psychological" attacker, she's next to useless.

[Gubaba]

YES SO TRUE! you can't list sheryl as the worst without including misa in the list.

and far as i know, misa can't even sing (well, she does sing when she's drunk and heartbroken). so even as a "psychological" attacker, she's next to useless.

Actually...she CAN sing (and quite well!), but for some reason she only feels comfortable singing on drama albums...

In the series, as you say, she'd be useless...unless the enemy got so embarrassed on her behalf that they decided to withdraw just to give the poor girl a break.

[dreamweaver13]

Actually...she CAN sing (and quite well!), but for some reason she only feels comfortable singing on drama albums...

In the series, as you say, she'd be useless...unless the enemy got so embarrassed on her behalf that they decided to withdraw just to give the poor girl a break.

hmmm... now that i think about it, funny how we seem to have forgotten that misa had a "psychological" attack of her own: the "kiss". although, good luck with that against the Vajra. hehe.

[Agent ONE]

Typo in the subs... Max said that Basara was a better SINGER.

Max sings in a barbershop quartet with Exodol, Vrlitwhai, and a trash collection robot.

I was really proud of myself for this one..

[Gubaba]

I was really proud of myself for this one..

Yes, it's good...but it lacks the punch of the time you compared Macross 7 to a Boy George/Elton John porno that ends with them rescuing a kitten.

[Agent ONE]

Yes, it's good...but it lacks the punch of the time you compared Macross 7 to a Boy George/Elton John porno that ends with them rescuing a kitten.

HAHA, yeah well.. I am trying to be nice to M7. I hurt some people's feelings back in the day. That's part of my double secret probation.

[Gubaba]

HAHA, yeah well.. I am trying to be nice to M7. I hurt some people's feelings back in the day. That's part of my double secret probation.

I had a feeling...

It's okay, we can pick up the slack for you.

"BASARA WEARS ASSLESS CHAPS!"

There. I said it.

[akt_m]

Personal preference in ranking:

Champion

1. Maximillian Jenius

Next 9

2. Isamu Dyson, Guld Bowman

4. Chlore

5. Milia Fallyna

6. D.D. Ivanov

7. Roy Focker

8. Nekki Basara

9. Ozma Lee

10. Gamlin

Next 10

11. Hikaru Ichijyo

12. Michel Blanc

13. Alto Saotome, Brera Sterne

15. Klan Klan

16. Docker

17. Nora Polyansky

18. Shin Kudo

19. Kanaria Berstein

20. Mylene Jenius

Special Mention Worst: Sheryl Nome

No Silvie and Nexx?

[dreamweaver13]

btw, should we consider Warera, Konda and Roli as pilots? they did go toe to toe with Hikaru in an armored valk for a while...

[Gubaba]

btw, should we consider Warera, Konda and Roli as pilots? they did go toe to toe with Hikaru in an armored valk for a while...

Yeah...but he was distracted at the time, so it doesn't count.

[dreamweaver13]

Yeah...but he was distracted at the time, so it doesn't count.

hehe. but so were they.

[Gubaba]

hehe. but so were they.

Point well taken.

If they were all in top form that evening, I wonder what would've happened...?

[dreamweaver13]

Point well taken.

If they were all in top form that evening, I wonder what would've happened...?

sigh, we will never know. the history of the macross universe as we know it could have been different from that exact point in time. it boggles the mind.

Edited August 27, 2008 by dreamweaver13

[Gubaba]

sigh, we will never know. the history of the macross universe as we know it could have been different from that exact point in time. it boggles the mind.

You know...I just just thought of something.

I bet that there IS an alternate universe where Warera, Rori, and Konda attacked on a different night...we know it as...THE MACROSS II UNIVERSE!!!

[Morpheus]

Darn, I was a bit drowsy and when I came to this forum I saw a thread "Ranka your Macross pilots" and suddenly have a disturbing image where a all pilot in Macross is replace by a green dog-haired girl who pilots their blob-valk while singing Aimo.....argh...the horror

[Gubaba]

Darn, I was a bit drowsy and when I came to this forum I saw a thread "Ranka your Macross pilots" and suddenly have a disturbing image where a all pilot in Macross is replace by a green dog-haired girl who pilots their blob-valk while singing Aimo.....argh...the horror

"ARRGH! I've been Ranka'd!!!"

[daflip702]

Isamu would pwn all of them if given a chance.

1. The 19 was a prototype....thus it has alot of bugs and tinkering to do. Everybody else got Finalized Production Models.

2. Only pilot to survive the 19.

3. Dragon thingy in the sky? c'mon thas F*ing sik.

4. The cockiest/aggresive pilots are the best...Top Gun anyone?

5. Don't think anyone else can push their Valk to the limit the way he does.

6. He took down "Rouges" without breaking a sweat. I think he was playing with them?

7. If it werent for the atm boosters....he was doing well dodging those "hi manv" missiles.

8. GGGGGhost controlled by sharon....yep survived that too.

9. Would have been promoted alot of times but denied....so he has a level of combat experience.

finally...who else can take down the Macross single handedly? That's right yesssuurrrr

I also got to credit the yf-19.....IMO the sexiest valk of them all. Don't like those M7 cheesy variants.

Isamu

Guld

Roy.....Who else kicks ass while drunk...now that requires some skill. ever tried driving? J/K

Ivanov

Max Jenius....I dont think its fair that he get alot of air time. SDFM,DYRL,M7

Nexx.....I know he's from MII but c'mon i got 2 words "Metal Siren!!!!! in which pwns a Marduk battleship BTW"

Hikaru

then there's everyone else....

[dreamweaver13]

"ARRGH! I've been Ranka'd!!!"

Nanase would sure love to be Ranka'd.

[adrianop]

@ dreamweaver13

I may be mistaken but Misa did it on Earth atmosphere while Sheryl did the flying in space. Im not pilot but I guess they fly differently, plus with the training I think Misa knows what most of the controls are for. But then again Im biased since Im a Misa fanboi. lol

@ akt_m

Never was a fan of the "alternate universe". Its got a good story though although with some annoying characters. Its just a personal list though.

[dreamweaver13]

@ dreamweaver13

I may be mistaken but Misa did it on Earth atmosphere while Sheryl did the flying in space. Im not pilot but I guess they fly differently, plus with the training I think Misa knows what most of the controls are for. But then again Im biased since Im a Misa fanboi. lol

hey i'm a misa fan too. but i'd still have to go for Sheryl for this one. sure it's earth atmosphere, but all she had to do was fly it straight. if she had any minor skill or training at all, she could have at least managed to keep the thing in the air. sheryl was in space (not too sure if that's actually easier or harder. physics buffs here, care to theorize?), but she actually had pilot training, and she managed to fly with vajra swarming all around her, and she managed to survive for a while. just for that, the edge goes to sheryl, IMO.

[adrianop]

heh wont argue with that. Although Misa was quite emotional at that time. Im abit angry I guess cuz she ruined a perfectly good VF-25. lol.

[Morpheus]

We need more female valk pilot, I could only listed a few of them:

- Silvie Gena

- Mylene

- Miriya

- Maria Fakina Barnrose

- Nora

BTW,

does Klan in VF-25 FAST pack count as valk?

[ruskiiVFaussie]

Is that list in any sought of order?

Nora and Silvie would be very similar, both got busted up, but got away. cept for Nora's disintegration at the end.

I still can't fathom Silvie being caught flying turlte speed in the Metal Siren (concert episode) when the Siren could buzz even the 21 or 19 in speed....

Edited August 29, 2008 by ruskiiVFaussie

[JustinStrife]

#1 Max. He was hax through and through considering he didn't have the best eyesight, his body wasn't that strong, and he had some of the least amount of training of any of the pilots before he got the 'genius' tag from Roy. But he beat Milia, and was racking up an insane kill count during the series, and being able to put on a Zentraidi uniform while piloting his Valkyrie was crazy. He gets the championship crown.

#2 Milia. She was the best of the best for the Zentraidi and the 2nd best for the good guys so it's only fitting she stays here.

#3 Isamu. Come on, the guy takes a VF-11 and freaking owns everything, then dodges those high maneuverability missiles while sporting a booster. Not to mention mastering the very temperamental YF-19(which is the sexiest Valkyrie alive), was beating Guld on all the test scores, was evenly matched with Guld and the YF21 even though Isamu wasn't out for blood on Guld like Guld was on him, and was able to survive Ghost without all the mental wave crap the YF-21 was sporting. He is in the top 3 without a doubt.

#4 Roy Fokker. Yes, he's still the freaking man after all these years. Sexing the women, drinking while shooting down the enemy, he rocks. Not to mention he's gotten to mentor Shin and Hikaru both. The guy is a legend as the original Skull 001.

#5 Hikaru. Survived many battles, including a Battloid vs Breetai fight among other things. He wasn't the best, and I don't think he beat Roy or Max, but he made his own legend as the next Skull Leader, and warmed Misa's heart. Not to mention saving Minmei in the 2nd episode of the original series, while having absolutely no training in a fighter, let alone the new VF-1. Would love to see him in the VF-4 in more than a quick shot from Macross Flashback 2012.

I didn't put Basara or Guld on there, because well Guld was hooked up mentally with his YF-21 and never actually had to do any real piloting. The Yf-21 was essentially HAX. We'll never know what his skill could have been since he only grabbed the flight controls once. Basara, well he can't pilot Gerwalk mode, isn't that great in fighter mode, and absolutely sucked in the VF-1. Not to mention the lameness of Macross 7, and the absolutely over-used footage of VF-11's getting torched while launching every freaking episode. Couldn't they spice it up a bit?

I'm sticking with the top 5, as it starts getting more difficult as time goes on.

Edited August 31, 2008 by JustinStrife

[SkullLeaderVF-X]

I didn't put Basara or Guld on there, because well Guld was hooked up mentally with his YF-21 and never actually had to do any real piloting. The Yf-21 was essentially HAX. We'll never know what his skill could have been since he only grabbed the flight controls once.

I'm sorry but anyone who can pilot a valk, pulling off those g's he did, to take out the ghost, while losing an eye, and getting there insides crushed, all the while keeping a clear mind to pilot said valk, is a top pilot in my book!

[JustinStrife]

I'm sorry but anyone who can pilot a valk, pulling off those g's he did, to take out the ghost, while losing an eye, and getting there insides crushed, all the while keeping a clear mind to pilot said valk, is a top pilot in my book!

That has more to do with strength and willpower, than piloting i'm sorry.

The beginning of the Thread says you can compare them in whatever valkyrie you want, as long as they're the same, and how would they rank. So I did. In a NON-YF-21 fighter. We never see Guld in anything else but the YF-21, so we have no idea what he can do in a VF-1, a VF-11, VF-19, VF-4, etc etc.

[Birdman]

We never see Guld in anything else but the YF-21, so we have no idea what he can do in a VF-1, a VF-11, VF-19, VF-4, etc etc.

It would kinda make sense that to become a test pilot for the YF-21, you'd have to prove your stuff in pretty much any previous VF wouldn't it? The reason that Guld's scores were lower than Isamu's at times was because he always did everything "by the book" - which is what test flying is all about. Do maneuver X at speed A and see what happens; next do it again at speed B and see what happens; and again at speed C, etc. Pretty monotonous until the sh*t hits the fan - then you have to prove you're the best by staying alive and being willing to show up for work the next day. Isamu threw the rule-book out the door at every opportunity - luck was his skill... In combat the two were pretty closely matched, otherwise Isamu would have been able to get rid of him much faster.