Duke Togo Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 No, it was the twelfth Miss Macross contest (she won the 8th, I believe). So we're still (probably) looking at a 2046/7 launch date. There has been some confusion as to whether she won or if she was a runner up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 There has been some confusion as to whether she won or if she was a runner up. Her profile indicates she was a runner-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oihan Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 (edited) I think its a more realistic implementation of a gimmick, which is why I think gubaba's persistent comments just strike me as illogical fanboyism. There is no way one could argue that an theoretical Omni directional implementation wouldn't take alot of energy than a PPB implementation. Why would you want to expend energy to cover a whole ship when you would normally only face a threat from one facing. Its a waste of energy, which could be better used for other purposes like weapons.They already have a omnidirectional field, and yet they still use PPB 50 years later. And even if they made a better type of shield its still the same question; why would you spread its energy over a wide area rather than focus it on the axis where you face the greatest likelihood of damage? No matter how you cut it, it just makes no sense to have a omni directional barrier. Who's to say that one wouldn't be attacked from all sides? Why does it have to be from one side only? I'm with Gubaba on this in that I don't see how they couldn't have improved upon the Omni-Directional Barrier to make it more practical. Maybe rather than it exploding after it overloads it just dissipates or shuts down.... I could see the Barrier being used on the colony ships. Anyway, I still have some catching up to do in this thread! Edit: I'm awaiting to be flamed at any moment now.... Edited May 15, 2008 by Oihan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinjo Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 (edited) I get the impression that each colony world is an independent entity, with its own government et al. It is not such a huge stretch to consider that such a large fleet as the Frontier wouldn't already have a built in government. So when they do find a habitable planet to colonize, the political infrastructure is already in place. It is probably the same with all the super long distance fleets, not just Frontier. Edited May 15, 2008 by Zinjo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noyhauser Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 Who's to say that one wouldn't be attacked from all sides? Why does it have to be from one side only? I'm with Gubaba on this in that I don't see how they couldn't have improved upon the Omni-Directional Barrier to make it more practical. Maybe rather than it exploding after it overloads it just dissipates or shuts down.... I could see the Barrier being used on the colony ships. Anyway, I still have some catching up to do in this thread! Edit: I'm awaiting to be flamed at any moment now.... First PPB and Omni might be a false distinction, one system can do both. However given that most space tactics is to keep your fleet back and let fighters approach, you really just need to cover a small axis out in front, and reinforce it. Its not as if you're going to send your colony into the thick of a battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronnang Dunn Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 (edited) That's not really likely. Glass is the local president, analogous to Mayor Miria but with more "Presidential" power. Unlike Miria, Glass seems to be a "Commander in Chief" like the US President, with at least the colony's NUNS answering to him. In Macross 7, anything remotely military fell to Max, excluding colony defense (which was sorely lacking in City 7). In Frontier, Glass declares an emergency and suddenly both NUNS and SMS are jumping at his call for a rescue mission. In Macross 7, Max would have been in charge of the rescue, and would have told Miria to mind her own damn business. Mark Woah, where did you read this? From the Macross Compendium... "Howard Glass is the president of the New U.N. and administrative director of the Macross Frontier fleet. He carries the authority and bears the responsibility of the political decisions in various situations of space travel to keep civilian lives safe...". Edited May 17, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 From the Macross Compendium... "Howard Glass is the president of the New U.N. and administrative director of the Macross Frontier fleet. He carries the authority and bears the responsibility of the political decisions in various situations of space travel to keep civilian lives safe...". Well damn. So he is. This certainly dials up the intrigue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 Wow, that's a rather interesting piece of trivia. I suspected that they wouldn't call him a President unless he was something much more than just the caretaker of Macross Frontier, but being the big cheese of the whole New UNG is quite a revelation! I guess this really puts things into perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openget Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 (edited) From the Macross Compendium... "Howard Glass is the president of the New U.N. and administrative director of the Macross Frontier fleet. He carries the authority and bears the responsibility of the political decisions in various situations of space travel to keep civilian lives safe...". Er...Does the government of Earth go by a different name or something, then? That sounds really weird to me.. Edited May 17, 2008 by openget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 No. Earth is part of the United Nations Government and always has been. The only thing that's changed is apparently the word "New" has been attached to both the UN Government and the UN Spacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 (edited) No. Earth is part of the United Nations Government and always has been. The only thing that's changed is apparently the word "New" has been attached to both the UN Government and the UN Spacy. Hasn't it been the New United Nations Government since 2010...? At least, that's what the deep-voiced guy in "Macross: A Future Chronicle" said, IIRC... Edited May 17, 2008 by Gubaba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 Weird. Maybe it has been. It's not like that area of Macross gets a lot of attention. Hell, I remember when they established the "New Era 001" but that seems to have gone by the wayside a long time ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 Here it is...check out April: http://macross.anime.net/wiki/2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 Yeah I know that one, but "new" isn't capitalized and is written like it's a new government, not THE "New Government" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 Hmmm...then I guess I'll just have to watch Future Chronicle again and see what the kanji says... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 Hmmm...then I guess I'll just have to watch Future Chronicle again and see what the kanji says... I'm fairly confident we'll see some explanation in Frontier concerning the change of UNS to NUNS. However, I'm still assuming the real reason for the change was to market this series outside of Japan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 I'm fairly confident we'll see some explanation in Frontier concerning the change of UNS to NUNS. However, I'm still assuming the real reason for the change was to market this series outside of Japan. No, I understand that UN Spacy changed to New UN Spacy sometime between 2051 and 2059...but what I'm saying is that I think the New Unity Government was ALWAYS the New Unity Government (at least since 2010). So while it may have changed, the government retains the same name it had before. (But then, they couldn't very well call it the "New New Unity Government"...maybe the "New and Improved Unity Government"?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 I think that "new" is lower case for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 Okay, after a visit to Japanese Wikipedia, I concede the point. There is no "shin" (i.e. "new") in the name. It's just the Earth Unity Government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 Okay, after a visit to Japanese Wikipedia, I concede the point. There is no "shin" (i.e. "new") in the name. It's just the Earth Unity Government. Lower case "new", it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichterX Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Was it always established that the UNG = UNS? or the organization is like in Star Trek in which Starfleet is not the same as the Federation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_breetai Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 (edited) I don't even mean a full series, just mentioning it, or showing a glimpse of a mining facility over some gas giant, or in an asteroid belt, as a scene in Frontier or some other future Macross story. Though, actually, I was thinking, Dynamite showed that there are criminal elements with their own ships and whatnot, a Macross series featuring space pirates could be greate. Of course, I might just be thinking that because I started watching the original Captain Herlock series again. Mining a gas giant eh? you could always read Robotech II the Sentinels for that. No, I understand that UN Spacy changed to New UN Spacy sometime between 2051 and 2059...but what I'm saying is that I think the New Unity Government was ALWAYS the New Unity Government (at least since 2010). So while it may have changed, the government retains the same name it had before. (But then, they couldn't very well call it the "New New Unity Government"...maybe the "New and Improved Unity Government"?) -It's the city of New New York. No really it is, actually it's the 23rd new york since the original, so actually that makes it. New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New York Or maybe Shin Unity Government. and Unity Government Kai? yes I realized this has been resolved already, just saying there would be options if they wanted to. Though Unity Goverment Kai would be very weird sounding. Edited May 18, 2008 by lord_breetai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 -It's the city of New New York. No really it is, actually it's the 23rd new york since the original, so actually that makes it. New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New New York Or maybe Shin Unity Government. and Unity Government Kai? yes I realized this has been resolved already, just saying there would be options if they wanted to. Though Unity Goverment Kai would be very weird sounding. How 'bout "New Unity Government - Yakk Deculture Edition"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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