Cruel Angel's Thesis Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Anyone happen to know the variant of the MiG-29 Tocka Opori aka Fulcrum that was shown in Ep.1 of Macross Zero? Working the RPG stats, however need to know the variant type to get certain stats correct. Arigato for your time. Cruel Angel's Thesis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Which variant? Who knows.... But this should help you. http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/anti_un...ig29/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druna Skass Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Anyone happen to know the variant of the MiG-29 Tocka Opori aka Fulcrum that was shown in Ep.1 of Macross Zero? Working the RPG stats, however need to know the variant type to get certain stats correct. Arigato for your time. Cruel Angel's Thesis Ask David Hintegen, he'd probably know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 I'd need some good pics. Particularly side views. I'm not good with MiG-29's, I need a perfect profile shot or thereabouts. Directly above might work, but side view much preferred. If you want to discuss Shin's F-14 on the other hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Give me a good pic and I could tell you, but the first one appears to be a Mig-29C, the last one had some mods so I really need some good pictures first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruel Angel's Thesis Posted November 18, 2004 Author Share Posted November 18, 2004 If the POS i'm using for a computer could get the pics i would post them, so can someone else please post screenshots David Hingtgen and Knight 26 have requested so they can ID the MiG variant. Arigato. ----Cruel Angel's Thesis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewilen Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 (edited) Here are a bunch of screen shots of the Mig with canards from MZero 5: http://www.sonic.net/~ewilen/Macross/zero/canard_mig/ Edit: Get them while they're hot. I'll probably take them down after a few days or so. Edited November 18, 2004 by ewilen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewilen Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Non-canarded version as seen at http://www.macross.co.jp/zero/ Picture 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewilen Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Picture 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewilen Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Picture 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewilen Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Last picture. I assume this is the model used for episode 1, but I can't guarantee it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Hard call from these pictures, but I would say either a Fulcrum-C or a Fulcrum-S. As for the canarded version, that is completely made up, as the canards are the same as on the SV-51. Some time ago there was a proposed Mig-29 variant with a fuselage plug to add about a meter or two in length , Thrust Vectoring Engines, and canards. That design was never pursued though. The canard positioning on the later MiG-29 really isn't that good and would really hinder performance more then enhance it, the angles are horrid and the positioning would not allow for any controllability, really they would be drag magnets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Ok, looking at the pictures more I would say it is a Fulcrum-C, it has the small dorsal hump without the extra fule tank and ECM gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 In detail, it doesn't match anything. Heck, it's missing several small distinguishing features of the MiG-29 itself, much less the Fulcrum-A, C, M, etc. IMHO, it's closest to a Fulcrum-A. Knight--C's have the bulged dorsal hump. That's the main thing for the C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Oh right DH, I was looking at the wrong pciture in my MiG-29 book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Found something: The original MiG-35(modified MiG-29M) proposal had canards: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 I've got a better pciture then that somewhere, including modified lerx and shows the fuselage plug as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellohikaru Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 The model looks closest to the baseline type 9-12 or Fulcrum-A. Perhaps a slightly modified export 9-12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruel Angel's Thesis Posted November 19, 2004 Author Share Posted November 19, 2004 So we are looking at a Fulcrum A: MiG-29B (Variant 1, Model 9-12) here huh? Suprised they didn't go with a later variant with some of the more goodies. Well i can at least get to work on finishing the stats for it. Arigato for your help. David Hingtgen about Shin's F-14, i am now going to open a topic on that since we really need to decide on what Tomcat that is so i can correctly stat out that one as well. Once again arigato for your help. -----Cruel Angel's Thesis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 So we are looking at a Fulcrum A: MiG-29B (Variant 1, Model 9-12) here huh? Suprised they didn't go with a later variant with some of the more goodies. Remember, this is a educated guess. In detail, it doesn't match anything. Heck, it's missing several small distinguishing features of the MiG-29 itself, much less the Fulcrum-A, C, M, etc. So don't go quoting us here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skull Leader Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 pretty much looks like a MiG-29 NEUTER.... It isn't any one real variant over another, just a close facsimile thereof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellohikaru Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 well....Hasegawa did recycle the Farnborough plane for their M-Zero kit but they didn't use the correct F-14 either. So which RPG is this going to ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruel Angel's Thesis Posted November 22, 2004 Author Share Posted November 22, 2004 I don't plan on quoting anyone on what it is exactly, but the majority of the ones who would know give best guess as Mig-29B, so those are the stats i'm goig to use for it. As for the RPG, when the 20th anniversary of Macross happened, i began stating all the Valkyries (waiting to get my comp Asuka fixed so i can finish, was getting to the YF-19) for the Mekton Zeta RPG. Since most of my Valkyrie info is on my HD and i can't get to it, i can move on to other mecha from Macross till i can, so doing the real world (or close to real world) planes, might work on the Destroids next. Well once work gives me time off i can get the Fulcrum and Tomcat finished. Once i'm done, i'll post them for all to see how much of a nut i am. Cruel Angel's Thesis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanashino Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 The CG model of the MiG-29 used for Macross Zero is different from the other variants. One notable difference is the t-shaped antenna/ probe which replaces three blade ODD Rod IFF. (See below detail of MiG-29 Fulcrum A (Late) design) I concur that it is not like the Fulcrum C, due to it not possessing the after-cockpit hump. There is also a major alteration of the tail stabilizers. Whether this is due to an inaccurate CG model or deliberately being made different, I can not say. The rudder doesn't look like that of any Mig-29 variant. Though, it does resemble the Prototype's tail most.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skull Leader Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 You ressurected a thread that is over a year old to bring us this? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentrandude Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 That or his connection realy sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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