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Still though she told Brera to return to Frontier and wait for her orders, so if she still had orders to give it isn't likely she went and blew herself up without have some insurance that she wouldn't die. How she is still around, who knows. One thing to keep it mind, we don't know that the Dimension Eater is truly just a fancy bomb, we just don't know what exactly it is.

Agreed, RPGs always fudge extra information for the purposes of their game play. I tend to not trust them for official continuity on anything, let alone Macross.

Agreed on hands. As for shield, that is what I was thinking but I think you worded it better than how I tried to say it earlier. The shield is on some hinge of some type that swings over the other side of the arm and gets held by both arms in some way to keep it in place. I too noticed originally how far off from it's native arm the shield was in fighter mode so this is the best explanation until we know for sure. You know despite that and the should problem we are having trouble working out completely, there isn't much more about this transformation I'm not sure about. It is almost saddening, I like my meticulous process of looking through screens and others pictures to try and figure these things out. I would start looking into the VF-27, but it seems pretty obvious that besides the wings it's transformation is almost identical to the 25.

Shouldn't this be in the Newbie questions topic?

That is a good catch actually. Some have been theorizing the gunpod isn't stored on the VF-25's arms because in ep.12 we see Mikhails gunpod attached to the underside in gerwalk mode. Further evidence that the gunpods don't attach the arms is how Alto stored his gunpod on his battroid's leg when he went to stab Temjin.

I'm still holding on to my idea that if anything happens to Ozma then its that he won't die but get seriously injured and unable to fly again, thus creating a lot of personal drama. As for Brera, I could see him sacrificing himself to save Ranka, maybe after he and Alto have fought and Brera is turned good (we know he will).

I agree, this makes a lot of sense. Sort of like in Matrix Reloaded when the Nebuchadnezzar is returning to Zion the "ship traffic control" people are all jacked into seats into a VR interface where they control all the docking systems. I think it is like this, and for this reason is how he is able to play the harmonica with the helmet on, the harmonica isn't really there (though we know he has a real one for when he isn't flying) and he is only playing in in the Virtual cockpit. In the actual cockpit he just appears to be sitting there probably.

The slapping is overrated really, you could have gotten Klan to step on me or something. I think that would have hurt more.

It is still connected to the arm when it is back there, right under the shield in fighter mode is where the arms are hiding. That reminds me, while the shoulders of the arms have been confusing me (and Dio apparently), I have also been tackling a problem with the shield. If you follow that the elbow of the arms faces away from the bottom of the craft in fighter mode, that would mean the shield is sitting on the inner arm part there, but when transformed the shield is on the side of the arm. The only way for me to see it work is the shield swivels from the side of the arm over to the inner part and then proceeds to cover both in fighter mode. Maybe a smaller connection between the shield and the arm is folded out that allows it to go up and cover the two arms.

Depends on what you want or your reasoning. I have nothing against being cybernetically or even genetically augmented. As those fields of research grow and someday such things be come available, I can see myself willing to have a few computer chips installed in my brain for various purposes. However I don't think I'll be wanting mechanical limbs except for the scenario if I were to lose one of my existing limbs in an accident.

I have the special edition movie. That was my cinema for last week. You don't know how big that movie was for me. I'm a die hard TF fan. I followed the development of that movie for years since it was a rumor. I'm doing the same with TF Revenge of the Fallen. As for the transformation bit, a lot of them were fudged, but the Optimus one is more real than the others. There is an explanation in how the legs come together, it is just difficult. I know part of it comes form the cab, some of it from the back rollers, and the front 2 wheels are involved some how as well. As for the VF arms, yeah we'll figure it out. I'm sure it will be quite a day too when we finally get to handle those 25s, I can't wait.

You know I just realized, your back to a Klan avatar. I believe a lot of us saw that coming didn't we? Mm hmm, definetly MisaForTheLoss.

Yeah, it was the paint stripes that were causing me trouble on the arms as well... but the big noticeable thing is the backside of the arms (back of shoulder and elbow) match the underside details of the fighter perfectly so it seems to be a simple 180 flip out form the fuselage and then aligning into arm position. However the shoulder areas with the stripes and the rotating mechanism still give me some confusion. I'm just trying to take it as that while I wait until I can transform it myself. I don't always buy the ones I want to figure out unless I really want them because I have to save money (not on the job just yet.. so no income, heheh). However I try so hard to figure them out other ways. I spent so much time trying to figure out Movie Optimus Prime's transformation. I got that toy but I know by observation that the transformation is different in the movie (ex. the arms in the movie come from the hood of the truck whereas in the toy they are on the cab behind the chest). 10,108 moving parts on the CGI model and I am still confounded about how the legs are coming together on him.

Your pushing it, we know he has real controls... Stupid guitar flight stick...

Steaks maybe, but pineapples no. Ozma doesn't seem ready to eat the specified fruit salad just yet.

I used the .ass file and just finished watching it. Beware some people these subbers dropped the f-bomb, a number of times... Other than that this all made a lot more sense! The jamming is called a D-pulse burst and it affects navigational controls. When the ships lift off though the jamming stops hence why Alto can fly again. The VF-27 is apparently unaffected by the D-pulse burst. It seems Grace detonated the Dimension Eater in order to destroy the 33rd and kill Sheryl with the purpose of spreading hate, most likely for the Vajra as before saying that she said let the fold communications be their guide (referring to how the Vajra ships know how to get to Frontier) and then she seemed to sarcastically wish the people of Frontier luck. The Zentradi before dying referred to the explosion as an unknown fold dislocation (or fold fault as I'm sure more detailed subbers will correct it to) collapsing. Hmm seems stars aren't the only thing that make big bangs when they collapse. Mikhail definitely hitched a ride with the Vajra ship folding but Alto isn't shown to have made it into the fold so I wonder how he gets back. Maybe the LAI booster survives the explosion and he uses that. It seems Sheryl made a point of not telling Grace she was leaving with Mikhail to look for Alto and Ranka so Grace seems to have thought Sheryl was still in bed sick while the planet was being eaten, so I bet she'll be surprised to find Sheryl alive later on. Also Grace's instructions to Brera seem to indicate Grace wasn't planning on dying because she told him to return and wait for her orders (I think return means return to Frontier). Ok, there is my tangent of understands and beliefs based on this episode, I kept it all in from earlier and waiting until subs, so I could explode it out here. IMO, this episode is DECULTCHA!!!

Finally! Hmm.. Kei, are they new to Frontier subbing? Probably similar to Chihiro as far as speedsubbers go, so it shouldn't be too bad, but I need a sub and they are out so I'll take it.

This is all I've found on the site. On his specific Macross page (where the 2 ARMD pics and the shot of the attacker backside come from) there are 3 images that don't load so I don't know what they are. They could easily just be the two other shots of cruiser and attacker I linked to up there, but they may be others, who knows.

It is difficult, but it is the right thing for me I'm pretty sure. Thanks for the words, of course "in my experience there's no such thing as luck" (I like that quote). Bandai would probably make a pretty good Q-Rau, or Q-Rea for that matter.

The Shinsen subs make it easier to understand, there was a disease infecting the hydra that made them crazy like in ep. 10. Most likely this is related to the V-type infection.

It might be the last time actually. We know there will be new opening and ending songs eventually and this episode is officially the half way mark so it could be next episode with a new opening and ending.

Hopefully my friend, hopefully.

Ah, your British, I wasn't expecting that. Yeah, America must have liked it a lot though. I prefer metric like I said but I still use Imperial in my life because I was born with it and learned it first. However metric is becoming second nature to me, especially since in space even America uses metric and my future career will involve designing spacecraft.

Ok... I downloaded it hour and a half ago.. I watched it... here are my thoughts during the climatic points of the episode: "WTF!!!!! HOLY SHI...!!! WHA!!!!" My head is racing trying to process all of this, I have read everything in this thread so far, so I'm not out of the loop, but I just can't speculate, there is way too much to guess. I'm waiting for subs, no guessing for me (at least no posting of guesses from me) until I see subs... Get here faster Subs!!! (jk, I am patient to let subbers do their jobs well, I am just wanting them lol).