Roy Focker

What he said.

Even Fued is credited with saying 'some times a cigar is just a cigar.' Yet what other meanings could a ripped shirt mean? Can any of think of reasons why you would rip off a woman's shirt? The shirt wasn't 100% cotton maybe? You can tell by the animation that it's more a dream like seqence then a true flash back. We see other real flash backs in Macross plus (Isamu flying the glider, the three holding the planet). In those cases everything looks like the rest of the animation but the picture is a tad unfocused. Those flash backs are appearing in the story. Guld's is appearing in his mind. The film is different color, it is barely even animated. Look at the way the door opens to the room. There is marked difference between Guld's memory and the other flash backs. The scene in Guld's mind is very surreal. The point of the scene isn't meant to be an exact sequence of the actual of events but Guld realising that it was him.

I'm not saying we know that he raped her 100% but it highly suggested that things may have went beyond what you have seen. It's a dream sequence they are never meant to be take literally. Is the idea that Guld might some thing like that so damaging to people psyche that they totally refuse to accept it? Gee isn't that Guld did? Consider that the mirror wasn't originally there. In Guld's previous memory it was Isamu who did the 'deed'. At the moment of 'killing' Isamu's YF-19 a repressed memory comes out in Guld mind in the form of a dream sequence. He's seeing things through the eyes of the attacker. That attacker isn't Isamu but who is it? Finally in Guld's mind he imagines the 'mirror' which tells him he's the attacker. The mirror may never been there in the first place but it's in his mind to show him that the eyes of the attacker are his own. Once Guld figures it out in the dream sequence that there's no point in him eating a ham sandwich or showing raping her because he remembers that it was him. The whole point of the sequence was to reveil it was him and not the exact events of how they played out. The torn shirt is a clearly image of at least his intent to rape her. There can no other intent behind that act. I serious doubt that he was tearing her shirt because it was a Xmas gift that he wanted back. How far he got with the rape is unknown but anyone who studied anything on film doesn't need anything more graphic to figure out what is being suggested. It's a memory being played out as a dream sequence. They are often shown in film as being disjointed, dream like and more focused on images then on facts. If Isamu has a similar repressed memory but it's of him and Guld eating hotdogs together guess what's suppose to mean? 'Oh I know that he and Guld ate hotdogs for lunch one day right?' ' Yeah they 'ate' 'hot dogs' alright.' Images that are shown in a dream like sequence are not meant to taken literally. One can not look at dream like sequence and say 100% is fact. Some thing happen that day that was so bad that Guld repressed it and his closest friends decided to keep it from him. Guld convinced himself that is was Isamu, Myung saw Guld as victim as well, Isamu couldn't stand it and left. The 'event' was so bad that it made Guld want to kill Isamu and made Myung on edge when ever Guld touched her (notice the scene when touches her shoulders from behind and she nearly jumps). This was an event that could ruin Guld so much that Myung and Isamu went thought extreme lenghts to protect him. To believe that they went through all of this over just over a torn shirt is a bit naive. Something really bad happen that went beyond the images we saw. What it saw exactly was left up to the viewer but the torn shirt was pretty clear suggestion of Guld's intent.

Don't you remember Destroid is combo of the words Desroy+Droid. Calling it Destroyed has to be an Engrish mistake.

I'll tell you why it couldn't be Jason. Didn't people dail a 1-900 number to kill him off? People paid money to vote to kill that character. I didn't call (hell I didn't know who Jason was until I heard about it on the news) but I would call DC crooks who ran huge scam if they brought that character back from the dead. I never saw the orignal ad for the number but I doubt the character can ever return. Money was exchanged to kill him. Ingoring this at later date can bring a potential legal situation. Hell if paid money to kill him. I would want him to stay dead or a full refund with interest.

I still think people hate Macross 7 do to their perceptions of what Macross should be (Macross Plus). Macross 7 attacks your perceptions so much about Macross that you can turned off by it. I believe Kawamori did not intend Macross 7 to be your typical mecha anime. The vast majority of us were turned off at the start of Macross 7. Either you became a fan after watching more or your perceptions were so damaged that you turned off for good. I also blame reading about it first as shaping peoples opinion of Macross 7 before they actually see it. Once I had internet access I went to research all I could about Macross 7. As I read but faces of Valkyries, singing and monsters I started to convince myself that I wouldn't like it.

Why is the term 'symbolism' so hard to believe. Guld's memory is basically dream sequence. Look at the coloring of the animation and the speed of the footage (Looks like there's less cells) it's not meant to be a flash back of exact events but what currently happing in Guld's mind. The facts can still be fuzzy in Guld's memory. The mind may still be trying to protect itself. Guld doesn't need to see himself going further. The mirror could be a creation of his mind just confirming that was he doing the 'deed.' Mirrors have to be one of the most common clich'ed symbols. Next you people will be saying Hikaru really did have a magic bike.

Well I thought it was a joke that was in really bad taste. I thought was best just to delete before people started to get offended. If you couldn't figure out that it's offensive nature got it delete yourself well then Oh and besides it appeared to be mostly refering to Robotech so it didn't belong here anyways.

Exactly. You can not trust the Guld's memory as fact. It's more symbolism than anything else. For all we know there wasn't even a mirror at the actual event but when the repress memory came out then mirror appeared in Guld's mind for the memory. Even though an actually rape isn't seen it's pretty much suggested. I think it would be pretty graphic to show a 5 minutes rape scene when a torn shirt tells you what likely happen.

Danguard Ace and SuperOstrich have'nt turned mean yet because they're still virgins mods here. Plus we haven't given them their Mod bar mitzvah yet either.

Next time anyone gives a vague topic title like this I'll delete their topic. This one I'll just close.

Here we go again....

The longest thread is luxury better suited for a board with a smaller membership. I think we are just too big if it. Also the subject matter typically posting in it is something more suited for a chat room.

At least Bubba's got great taste in outfits. Oh yeah the Starwars kid old news ain't it?

A contract? I hope he remembers to share the groupies with MW.

*Loads the shotgun*

At this rate the end of the next week.

Please not right now.

As requested.

Exo: Use a translation program like Alta vista. You can make out most of it that way. And... "Moderator" sounds like they should be 'mediating in a peaceful manner' but a "Bouncer" has that allure of being A-holes if need be or when they want to be. Bouncers? Interesting of that would mean most of the people here are drunks taking a piss on the side of the bar. And Max... He's really trying to beat me as the mean mod. When we have to get tough it's not because of a choice (Okay maybe with me it is ). We get tough when we have to. Anyone can say I moderate over here or the moderators over there don't act like this. Yeah they don't but MW is different animal all together. I also see members here joking about the quality of the membership on other boards. If there wasn't such a tough moderating presence here you will all have reason to joke about this one as well. I was or still was known a the mean one. I haven't changed at all. Max I think has become more like me! He didn't act like this at first but I'm guessing he had to adjust for the needs of the board.

Unknown target your first post was a question the rest were not. * It's question and answer format only. Nothing more.

Guys please don't do anything on your own or that will encourage others to do something that we aren't going to like.

LAST WARNING: One person got banned (long term) for screwing around on this topic in the past.

Gundam lame? Kawamori and friends thought Gundam was cool when they were in school. There was several things in Macross inspired by Gundam. 20% of Gundam is not half bad. The stuff that seems to driving the pre-teens crazy tends to be the lame stuff.

Ditto to what Azrael said. Also who here is called the mean mod anyways . ' Sorry' & and 'excuse me' are luxuries we don't always have time for (especially in time like this). I know people would like to see a reason why a topic of their's was closed but a lot of topics are being closed or moved and we have little time post anything but a something short and direct. When things are back to normal the other mods should be nice again.