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Unfortunately this debate can't really go anywhere since there are lots of things to factor in before we can say, which is a better fighter. It would probably be better to compare the engines (and performance as Mr. March said). But the problem with engines is that the engines got better as time passed. The engines on a VF-5000 (probably same size engines as those of the VF-1, if not a bit smaller) produce a good amount thrust. And the VF-5000 is only about 5 years younger than the VF-1. etc, etc. etc. That's the problem with comparing VFs. As the timeframe changes, the technology gets better and it becomes harder to compare overall. The best way to compare is to group fighters into timeframes. 1. VF-0 vs. VF-1 2. VF-4 vs. VF-5000/VF-1X 3. VF-11 vs. VF-9/VF/VA-14/VF-4/VF-5000/VF-17/VA-3 etc.... 4. VF-19 vs. VF-22 etc... The problem with (3) is that during that stage of development, VFs were being developed for specialized roles. The VF-14 was a in-between to a bomber and a fighter. The VF-17 was designed for special ops. There were VFs for all kinds of roles. Then when we get to the VF-19/VF-22, obviously there is the intention of combining the roles of all the previous VFs into one package. I guess the best way to say it is, what do you want to compare by? And in which timeframe?

Couldn't have said it better. Being one of the few who did like M7, it really is an acquired taste. But it's like that with many things. Heck, I have a co-worker who won't eat anything besides burgers, mac and cheese, and the like. If you like it, kudos. If you don't like it, kudos. Can't really do anything about it.

BOMBA!

Okay, for you people just tuning in (yet again). Let's go over what ewilen said. Tatsunoko owns the animation to SDF Macross. Big West lost the appeal apparently. We've known this for a while so having this just reinforces the original fact. Tatsunoko sued Big West and Bandai (Bandai Japan) for copyright infringement on the "Macross" name. Tatsunoko lost. Again, the general feeling from this is, Tatsunoko never had a claim to those since they were never part of the production. Bandai has been the principal source for distribution and many other things with Macross since Macross II. Again, we've known this. IMO, this may be why Bandai reps have been mummed about this subject since they appear to be part of the on-going legal issue, i.e. keep this in mind if you should talk to Bandai's reps. Now onto the weird part. TP was included in the credits to DYRL?. This may be the cause for the RT toys. Although TP owns roughly 17% of DYRL?, an arrangement was made between TP and BW so whatever is between TP and BW is hard to figure out on who owns the copyright to the animation of DYRL?. Is this right ewilen?

I still prefer calling you people lazy. http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...opic=140&st=380

Agreed. We have no proof. They have not show any proof. It's just a statement. It would be like me saying Shawn is a freakin-murdering bastard. Do I know that for sure? No. Has Shawn said anything that would incriminate him? No. It's just a statement. There is no proof to prove or disprove the statement. So why change it if all we make are statements with no proof?

The advantage of a fan-fic is just that. It's a fan-fic and no one will complain because it's fan-art. You don't have to be accurate all the time. Sure it's nice and all to be accurate but fan-art (fan-fics, fan drawings, models, etc, etc, etc) is fan-art and doesn't have to follow the set idea of the creator, i.e. if it's fan-art you're doing, one should not be limited to what is written in stone.

The Unification Wars is something we really don't have much info on. We know the beginnings happened in the People's Republic of Garalia in the Middle East. http://www.anime.net/macross/story/chronol...1999/index.html http://www.anime.net/macross/feedback/index.html#200204a The war was a global war. Meaning major nations were involved. We also don't know who was on who's side. Egan Loo has pointed out that Russia was part of the UN, however, Anti-UN forces had a heavy Russian influence and Russia in the Macross timeline is not our Russia/former-Soviet Union. Most noted was the destruction of St. Petersburg in Russia. Also noted was the guerilla warfare in the Americas. We don't know who was on who's side since there were factions within factions. In fact, the Anti-UN may not have been a distinct group of countries. The Anti-UN may have been made up of small factions all working independently of one another. We really don't have a clear picture of who the Anti-UN was. The best thing we can do is look at the time period in which Macross premiered. Look at the UN and the super-powers of the 1980s and speculate. Hope that helps.

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Considering that the series hasn't even finished it's release in Japan (their on episode 3), the answer on both continents would be an affirmative no.

This is a list of his animated work: http://www.anime.net/macross/production/cr...hoji/index.html

Ok,..no need to read any further,...just go outside, close the door behind you,... and go back in! I love the revolving doors in this place. Once you go in, you can never leave!!!!!!!!!!! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

Somehow, I get the strong feeling that this is just a merchandising issue and not a video issue. But who evers listens to me.... But who knows....

I prefer the phrase, "he was too lazy to look through the newbie thread". http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...opic=140&st=300

1) What do you want to know? There's lots of details to cover. 2) Technically....no. Any show that had transforming vehicles would surpass it. This would really depend on your definition of "transform". Shows before Macross have had vehicles which change shape (like MS Gundam). 3) Forgot about that one. PM WDC (white Drew Carey). He should remember that one.

Unfortunately, Macek will always be the target of hatred since he was the one in charge of RT at that time.

This question was answered several times in the Newbie thread. Feel free to read it.

Splitting hairs here, but I think that it is meant only for space, but capable of surviving in the well. The question is: can the 2JA survive in space? Does it have the necesary engine mods to burn in space or was that left out to make it cheaper/lighter as it was meant for atmospheric use? I read in one og the Macross II books that a VF-2JA can operate in space. I think it should be said this way. The VF-2JA is optimize for atmopheric use. The 2JA has forward carnards while the VF-2SS does not. The profile of the VF-2JA is also slimmer. Etc., etc., etc.

Patience my young padawan.

Stormseeker, we discourage people from posting pics in their sigs.

Holy crap...when did this thing become 16 pages.....And shouldn't we bring this to the debate thread?

Guys, don't worry. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4616

Well there's only so much you can do to an existing design before you reach it's technical limit. They may have implemented some ideas from OT (OverTechnology) to get a slightly more effecient engine. Or it could be something like getting the F-14 up to spec of current fighters is use. Probably at this point in the war, they've lost lots of fighters. They have lots of older fighters that could still be used. But considering that they used technology which is 10-20 years old by that time, they need to bring those fighters up to the level that their current fighters were at. It could be like taking an early 1980s car and modifying the insides of the car to bring it up to an equivalent car of today without changing the look of the car (i.e., no body kits, no lowering, etc). IMO, that's what the F-14s in M0 are.

Anybody want to write to BW and ask what's up?

I need a defibrillator on aisle 4.....