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I dunno, I always saw Ranka as a bit more Hillary Duff, but yeah Miley would be interesting casting for a dub. I'm still amazed at the variety of genre that Kanno can pull off though. It's amazing enough that she can write different sounding stuff for both Sheryl and Ranka, but she did Sharon as well. And that's not even touching her other anime series. Also, Sharon is not getting near enough love in this thread.

How hard would it be to drop these CA subs into the RAW remastered MKVs I found? I'm in the process of grabbing the VIP 1-32 ones, and found RAWs for 33-49 remastered, with these SSAs can I just merge them in?

Mai Yamane? Does that mean there might be a live "After in the Dark?" if do please GOD let there be a live DVD. Kanno also did the opening to Lodoss TV right? Kanashii no Umi or something like that? Who was the singer?

I heard that it was not completely dropped, but delayed indefinitely. Well, I'm getting better at reading Japanese, so hopefully I can keep up soon.

Is 2 worth anything? I have been watching the original again, a couple episodes at a time, hadn't seen it in over a decade. Really interesting as it kinda feels a bit like a Shojo series at first. Gunbuster 2 just seemed like an awful idea when I heard that it was coming though, but I've been wrong on these things before. Though talking about Gunbuster has me thinking of Ecole du Ciel, which was MUCH better than I expected. I'm up to volume 6 of the manga, and am loving it.

For those who with to hear what the tears of baby Jesus must have sounded like here's the nico link to Shao Pai Long. http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm6589092 Just remember that Shao Pai Long is a very messiah! Looking forward to the Ozma/Bobby one and the Leon/Grace ones more. Tostugeki Love Heart won't suffer much from lack of singing talent, and while I can't remember which one LG are doing, but Inoue has an amazing voice (clearly the best member of DoCo back in the day). Also, Runner from Mikhail and Clang should be sweet.

Gubaba, since you're a Genji afficionado, you might want to take a look at Egawa Tatsuya's manga version that's currently being published. Art is pretty good, and the cool thing is that it has both classic and modern language in it, as well as come really cool reproductions of some of the illustrated scrolls. It's rather risque, but well, so was Genji. I'm pretty damn out of practice in my Japanese as well, though I have been getting back into it thanks to the whole trying to figure out the whole Ohnogi/Mac F mystery. Thanks to that tofugu dude I found rikaichan, which I'll be testing promptly, as well as smart.fm, which has some awesome vocabulary learning tools. Vocab has always been my bane, I relearn grammar and stuff pretty quickly (though when I speak I have a tendency to subconciously add extra particles for some godforsaken reason.) but I swear, vocab will go through me like a sieve. I technically know a few hundred Kanji, but I can't write most of them any more, and while I recognize a lot of 'em, it can take me a while to remember what they mean. Hopefully I'll be able to get back into this stuff more hardcore over the summer. If I want to go for my PhD, I'm gonna NEED to be at a better speaking and reading level than I am now.

OK thanks. Hard keeping all the songs straight. It's funny how the Macross Universe has had bubblegum pop, techno, regular rock, acid jazz, dance music and all of that. But never rap, or more importantly, the greatest of all genres YACHT ROCK! I mean, if they loved Minmay, imagine their reaction to the ever so smooth stylings of Michael MacDonald and Kenny Loggins.

Who was the VA for Wendy Ryder in the Japanese MacII? I can't find her on any of the credit lists for the OAVs? I see her in english, but not the Japanese. Were the OP and ED of Mac II supposed to be Wendy songs, or were they separate?

Something I have been wondering, is there any information on the lifespan of the Zentradi? I remember in Robotech it was implied in the secondary sources that teh Zentradi could live for a few hundred years, with both Breetai and Exedore being pretty damn old. Is that the same in the Macross universe? Or do most Zentradi only live about as long as a human does? If they do live longer, has the intermingling of genes meant extended lives for the mixed race humans?

Thanks for the answers, but IIRC didn't Alto at one point say he was born on the ship? I remember him saying either he live his whole life on it, or was born on it, I THINK this came from one of the THORA subs, but it's hard to remember where exactly.

According to the source, there may actually be more short stories than that They were supposed to have been published in the magazines Animage and Out in between 1986-1988. He said that "technically, every issue should have a couple of pages" written by him. Though that might be an exaggeration. I'm still trying to get info on the 10 examples that he said he had.

Quick Q about the launch dates: I know that the Megaroad 1 launched in August 2012. The Macross 7 launched in 2038 When did the frontier and galaxy launch? The Frontier would have had to have been out in space for at least 18 or so years as Alto was born on it. However the frontier fleet seems MUCH more technologically advanced than the 7 fleet does, and I think I read somewhere that it might have launched earlier than the 7. If that's the case, then why was the 7 so small in comparison to the Frontier? Same Q for the galaxy.

Just finished this series. Wow, just wow. So very very sad. I mean really you' think I'd learn that Gainax never does completely happy endings, but Jesus. Still, great show, and I'd love a sequel in 5-10 years set well in the future and have it deal with the Spiral nemesis, all new characters except for Viral and Simon. But that's just me. Still this show was really filled with awesome "HELL YEAH!" moments, but man it hits you in the gut when you least expect it.

Did this have any staff interviews or making of type stuff? I had heard that it was supposed to have an interview with Kawamori about the movie. I'm also wondering if there was any mention of Ohnogi in it at all.

Hey I love me my RT, and was willing to give SCh a shot, even bought the 5 issue prequel, and tracked down a buncha the other comics. Then I SAW SC, yeesh, Yune's storyline was awful, the CG was mediocre, and the designs were alright at best. If SR ever shows up I MIGHT rent it, but that's about it. I can't ever hate the series though, it is , for better or worse, what got me into anime. Yeah it changes a lot of stuff, yeah Minmay's songs almost universally blow, and countless other problems. But I still loves it. That of course doesn't mean that HG management is full of absolute morons who talk big game but never get crap one. Say what you will about Maceck, but at least he handled the show well when he was there. Even the ignorance of the property in the 90's was occasionally preferrable to this. Then again, that was the era of the GLUT of bad RT comics. Ok, lost my point, finals are killing me.

I dunno, as far as song translations are concerned I haven't been a fan of many of the ones online, it looks like some of the subbed ones ended up being a it better, but that's possibly just my opinion. As far as Romanizations, they're always tricky as hell, especially when the Japanese creators come up with severl different versions, or versions that simply can't be pronounced right in english or are more or less inaccurate compared to what they probably should be. if I can add one opinion though, It'd be to change Brera to either Blera or Brela. I say that because Brera is phonetically a bitch to pronounce in English and pretty much sounds awful.

Well, the interview was with Kawamori, and I have found evidence of that, using the search ファミ通、インタビュー、and 河森正治. This page mentioned it more, I know MacF got game of the month that issue, though few other summaries mention the interview I found this page which talked about it. Can't make too much of it though, time and skill just not being what I have: http://kokubannnorakugaki.seesaa.net/article/107752362.html also this page mentioned the interview, and ha a brief mention of Ohnogi. http://c.2ch.net/test/-/iga/1099814867/714-

It was, but it was a translation of Shaloom's translation. Before those posts, there was no mention of him AT ALL. Here it is much the same. I talked to Tak, and others, and no one at all can find the evidence. Which is why I'm really trying to find that interview. If I can locate it, and it adds up to the summaries poste, then at least for me, I'll be comfortable enough to not worry as much about the other things. It might even help make sense of the fact that the man who was supposed to be one of, if not the main creative force behind 18-24 got no credit at all. He said they pretty much ran between 1986 and 1988, I think they are monthlies. They were all supposed to have short stories of some sort from varying writers in the field. He said that he didn't have all of them, just a few, but that should hopefully help you get started at least. I also found out which issue of Famitsu I'm looking for, now I just need to find it, hopefully without paying over 10x its price for a proxy and shipping. The issue is 1035.

Man I hate Japanese bbses they are hell, no threads just a crap ton of posts scrolling down a page. Christ. Ok, so I did a search on both here and the Animesuki forums and noticed something interesting. The first posts that mention Ohnogi en EITHER of the forums actually begin in response to the Famitsu interview last october. Before that there was nary a mention of him at all. The good news about that is the following: I know for a fact that the interview exists, even though I can't confirm the content (it's not on their website.) The interview came out in early October, I THINK the issue was between 1033 and 1035. I'm trying to track down a copy, but am having little luck. Anyone have any clues about finding old issues of Famitsu? I have seen 'em for sale on Yahoo auctions, but the price to acquire them is pretty absurd.

Again, I'm over half putting this out there to try and clear everything up and figure out what Ohnogi's role was. I'm kinda hoping for people to step up and offer some definitive proof on it, one way or the other. The problem is, the more I look into it, the more it looks like Ohnogi wasn't involved, and if that ends up being the case, then that opens a lot of other questions up. I'm currently trying to find out how script collaborations work, and what is required to be in the credits, but considering that they do change from episode to episode, and the Screenwriter credit stays the same, it looks like Yoshino was THE main scriptwriter for everything. Kawamori was in every likelihood around to oversee it all, and maybe Oonogi was helping as well. There are still several leads that I'm looking into, and if I'm missing something, I'd be more than happy to admit that I was wrong, an idiot, or whatever. But every time I try to verify a lot of the information that I have seen online, especially the stuff concerning Ohnogi, I come up empty. There have been interviews with Kawamori about MacF, I've been able to find those. I'm still working on verifying the translations, which might be tougher, but with respect to one, I'm fairly certain its on the level. But too much doesn't add up right now. I'm currently trying to trace the first time Ohnogi was referred to as the writer of 18-24, hopefully I can track down where the initial information came from. Also, does anyone know of any large message boards for Japanese macross fans? I'll probably start looking there soon. I'm thinking that maybe someone got confused between Yoshino and Ohnogi, or something like that.

The argument could be made I suppose. I just tend to think that the argument woul be wrong. The mystery and strangeness of the Vajra worked relatively well at first, wondering who and what they were and how they were so powerful drove the plot. It's just that after a while they were just kinda there, and by the en of the series, they were actively boring. But again, they weren't compelling. What they ended up being was essentially a mix of the Zerg and the Borg, with the personality strengths of neither. There was never a 'face' that the viewer could end up identifying with. The base concept of the Inbit from Mospeada was the same as the Vajra, very alien creatures who eventually turned out to not be as evil as we thought, but where they succeeded and the Vajra did not was in that the viewer had a connection with the Regis and the human like Inbit. Hell, even in the Alien series of movies, where again you had bug-like creatures that are portrayed as a major threat to the human race, they are eventually given a face in a very compelling design for the queen. There was also the added personal component to them that was basically, for each one that existed, another life form would have to die. Then of course there is the general implausibility of the Vajra in and of themselves. Now if there was a race of creatures that could bend space time in a way that makes distance completely irrelevant, AND they had the capability to constanty and for all intents and purposes instantly evolve so as to be able to eventually render all attacks on them useless, there is really no reason at all that they haven't spread EVERYWHERE in the galaxy. They have been around for hundreds of millions of years, with absolutely nothing to threaten them, and the ability to move at will and nest where they please? Even their small nests produce essentially millions of Vajra? Their expansion across the galaxy should have been geometric. In other words, Earth would have been a Vajra hive long ago. Had Grace and the Galaxy cyborgs been better fleshed out, with the Vajra being shown as tools earlier and in a more compelling manner, then maybe it could have worked better. If the Vajra's power levels had been reduced somewhat, especially the quick evolution thing, then they might have been less boring. As it stood, no matter what the humans did it was pretty certain that there was never any real hope of success, not even the remote one in that existed against the Zentradi. And let's not even get into the ridiculousness of their motivation, or Grace's. The Vajra if handled better had the potential to be good, if not great antagonists. By the halfway point of the series though it was clear that all that humanity needed to do was give the bugs a psychic space hug and everything would be all right. I dunno how similar the arcs and such were between the two. Two singers involved with Alto, one is on her way up, the other on her way down. It was an interesting contrast, but I have to say that Ranka's storyline and characterization were for the most part boring as hell, she ended up being better than I thought she would, there was a good long time I avoided the show because of how she was in the pilot episode. But she rarely was more than the ultra-cute, ever so earnest, not quite perfect, but her flaws are endearing sterotype. I know many characters in this show were created to fit a very specific type, but the best ones, Sheryl, Klan, Monster Girl (can't remember her name), and to a lesser extent, Alto and Michel ended up being interesting in spite of their cliched origins. With Ranka we are constantly being told, pretty much from the first episodes that she is PIVOTAL in the story, but to many, there was never all that much reason to care. Her importance to the story never seemed to flow organically from the character. She was in many ways a Mary Sue, able to rise to huge levels of fame, in a universe where singing is held as the highest art and competition must be fierce mind you, without ever so much as a singing lesson. Hell, as metoric as Minmay's rise was, at least she had been working on it for much of her life. When she became popular it was because she had a can do attitude along with the talents she had been developing. Ranka OTOH captured the notice of everyone @Formo, got a backup band to start playing along in seconds, knocked her Film debut out of the park, even though she never acted a day in her life, and became the songstress of hope in what, a few WEEKS? It strained suspension of disbelief, and in a show like Macross, that's saying something. She was essentially an author made Mary Sue. Now as to whether she could have been cut? I wouldn't say that, the role she played needed to be filled, but the choices made as the series progressed kept her all too often in the cliche "perfect pure girl" category. VERY rarely we saw glimpses of actual potential and growth and those were often the result of the points in the plot that she directly affected. Cut out some of the worst bits of her character, her ridiculous amnesia (having her happy demeanor hide actual inner pain), her lack of initiative, her ridiculous naivete (a little is fine, but REALLY) and stop throwing everything in her lap, and she suddenly becomes a more interesting character, and one that no one would ask be cut. As I said before, there are parts of this show I love, its flaws however are too hard to ignore. The High School setting was a gigantic mistake, many of the characters were underdeveloped, the villains were weak, the ending lacked satisfaction in many areas, though it knocked it out of the park in others. Still it was an above average series, one that I think was hurt more by its reliance on tired tropes than anything else.

Putting this out there, because I am getting confused as hell. Basically from what I can tell, the only screenwriter for MacrossF is Yoshino Hiroyuki (吉野弘幸）. I've looked over the credits (can't believe I never thought of that, talk about over thinking it.) and did a random sampling eps, ones that Oonogi was supposed to have written, and ones Kawamori was supposed to have written, and in EVERY SINGLE ONE it only lists Yoshino. Now, I thought maybe the credits never change. BUT other parts of them do. Storyboards change from episode to episode, as do directors, but the screenplay/scenario NEVER DOES (or if it ever did, I missed it). So, then it appears that this Ohnogi stuff would by occam's razor be a myth or misunderstanding. It simply does not fly with the credits at all. If he DID write scripts for 18-24 then he did not get any credit at all, anywhere. If I missed a mention of him in the credits from anywhere other than episode 10 let me know. I was looking out for him, but found nothing at all. I'd love to be proven wrong。 Also, trying to do a search on Radio macross and yoshino heralded better results than with Oonogi, but again, my Japanese isn't quite to the level it needs to be to figure out if there is an interview with him, that and my time is limited.

Ok, who's the dude next to Britai and Exedol? He reminds me of Bodolza from SDFM, but we already have a Bodolza in DYRL. Is this guy the person in charge after the evil robot head that is Bodolza in DYRL? Has there ever been anything said about this guy in any on the art-books or anything? and here's another shot:

Ok, spoke with Shaloom, and here's what he tells me. Basically the stories written by Ohnagi aren't really novels. We knew that, but they aren't really doujinshi either. Basically they were published serially in magazines such as OUT and Animage from 1986 - 1988, they weren't reprinted as far as he knows, though he says he has a few of them, they are hard to come by, naturally. The stories aren't canon, he said he mentions them for the curiosity factor. They apparently are barely official. As for the radio show, apparently there was a separate show on MBS that was different from the webcast one. It was only on when MacrossF was on the air. He was apparently in Japan for much of last year, and listened to the show a few times to jot it down and translate it.　I'll try asking if he has any recordings.　 That's the good news, we at least have some plausible reasons for some of the stuff being hard to find. OTOH, I STILL can't find proof or mention of the Bobby show past April or so. The short stories would be easy enough to follow up on, if my Japanese was better, as it isn't I can't. Again, Shaloom really seems to be on the up and up, and he hasn't shied away from any questions. He's given us a ton of information, it's just driving me batty that I can't find proof of any of it.