Duke Togo

The Macross Compedium

Rule of two comes up with Darth Bane, which is around 1,000 years pre-ANH. And yes, you got me on the Dark Jedi thing... been a good while since I had played it. And I totally agree with you on KotORII. I'm not much of a fan of II, though I am eagerly awaiting the release of the Restoration Project, which is rapidly approaching its completion. Thinking about it now, you actually fight Dark Jedi at more than one point in KotOR, LOL. Well, anywho, back to what I was saying about the Saga. It just doesn't seem to fit in with what was going on. Vadar wanted Luke to kill the Emperor ("he has foreseen this") to become his apprentice, and the Emperor wanted Luke to kill Vadar and well, become his apprentice. I don't see these kind of folks just saying to these other guys, oh yeah, you're a Dark Jedi, come hang with us. I heard someone joke before there were more Jedi after that purge in the EU than there were before it. When you get right down to it, Star Wars is a genre, and it has many interpretations.

Old Republic doesn't have Dark Jedi. Its Sith vs Jedi. We're talking 4,000 years pre-ANH, and also long before the rule of two. One of the reasons why I prefer those games and the continuity they follow, because it lacks alot of the Force hocus-pocus you seem in much of the EU. The period of the Saga follows the rule of two when it comes to the Sith. The "Dark Jedi" thing was always laughable to me.

Well, its the "Dark Jedi" working with the Sith that confuses me. They are clearly unstable force users, I can't imagine the Sith working with them, let alone letting them live.

This is where the EU loses me. Dark Jedi? What is that, Sith Light? They are all over the Saga period EU, even though it totally goes again Saga continuity.

Battlefront II (EU, of course) talks about the Troopers knowing well ahead of time what was coming, talks about the affection some of them felt for their Jedi commanders, and I think it even states that some troopers rebelled against the order.

Yeah, pretty much.

I figured I'd throw my deal up here, never know when it will help someone else. CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Mobo: MSI P965 Platinum Limited Edition RAM: Corsair CM2X1024-6400C4, DDR2-800, 1GB (x2) GPU: EVGA GeForce 8800 GTS, 640MB DDR3, Superclocked HDD: Seagate ST3160812AS, 160 GB, 7200 RPM, SATA-II (x2) Sound: Creative Audigy 2 ZS PSU: Antec NeoPower NeoHE 550 Case: Lian Li PC-V1000 OS: Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP2 I put this thing together a little over a month ago. The hard drives and sound card are hold overs from my last build, as is the Lian Li case. My 3rd self built system. It was hard giving up on AMD after so long, but the Core 2 Duo's are just SO good, I would have been doing myself a disservice if I hadn't gone Intel. My experiences thus far: The MSI mobo got great reviews, and its a great stock performer, but it has problems. There have been USB issues and RAM timing issues. Latest BIOS is 1.4, with 1.5 in beta, and each release is buggier than the next. The biggest problem I have had is with RAM timings. My Corsair RAM is rated at 4-4-4-12 at 2.1v, but setting CAS Latency in the BIOS to 4 actually sets it to 3. There is no way to set it to 4, and its been an issue since release last September. So, I am forced to relax timings or suffer severe stability issues. I went back and forth between the MSI mobo and the popular ASUS P5B Deluxe, and decided to save myself 40 bucks and go with the well reviewed MSI. That was a mistake. Right now I am just holding out for the new Intel chipset coming out in the coming months. On the Corsair RAM. It seems they are (as of last summer/fall) using cheaper quality RAM on their sticks unless you buy their very top tier products. I paid the same price for the exact 2GB of RAM that not even a year ago was a higher quality product. Its simply not what it was. Same money would have gotten me the same timings and higher quality RAM from another vendor. Ah yes, the big boy, the video card. The GeForce 8800 is blazing fast, its big, and surprisingly quiet. I've been an ATi user FOREVER, this is my first nVidia card. Now, I may have been spoiled, but man, nVidia is HORRID when it comes to driver support. I had no idea, and reading what there is to read out there, this seems to be a pretty standard issue for them. Don't get me wrong, I'd buy the 8800 again, the driver issue is more of a nag than a true issue (at this point atleast). Anywho, just my experience with the current hardware out there.

Oh, its not that the translation was wrong, it was some of the choices they made in the translation that bothered me.

I do have to say, however, that there are occasionally dubs that I find to be much more engaging than the original. Just because its in its native language does not mean its good.

Let's be honest here, 90% of dubs are really bad. I'll go as far to say if the recent Gunbuster DVD release was done as a dub, I would never have bought it. And I could be wrong, but the anime the dub crowd watches is generally not the same stuff the sub crowd goes for. Its a different type of fan.

Oh, I thought I was paying that price so I didn't have to hear a dub.

*cough cough* Gunbuster was a homage, not a parody!

Yeah, same reason why they translate "Top o Nerae!" as "Gunbuster" in the opening credits of the original OVA. I was rather surprised how much time people spent complaining about the BGM in the first episode, and not the shoddy translation of the entire set.

I really am tired of what Gainax is doing right now, but I have to admit, it is rather amusing to watch.

It doesn't make for good anime!

Yeah, same old same old from Gainax. I've lost faith in all anime made in the past decade.

Man, the intro is the one thing worth watching!!

Neither was He-Man, along with 95% of the other junk we used to watch. The other 5% came from Japan, which is why we are all here. It is what it is, no?

That's pretty much it. I know this is probably a poor example, because of the audience involved, but take a look at Gunbuster compared to Gunbuster 2. We had many a discussion along similar lines in that thread, and what it really came down to was the era each series represented. Its not 1988, anymore, ya know? Yeah, who wouldn't like to see a well done, modern production of Thundercats with mature themes? Just not the reality of thing. Personally, I'd say we are lucky the Sword of Omens didn't turn into a guitar (does the Thundertank has speaker pods?).

Oh, I totally agree. Let's be honest here, a majority of the cartoons in the 80's were half hour long toy commercials. We got lucky if we got one with an ongoing storyline. Its probably what drew so many people to Robotech.

I dunno if anybody caught it, but there is a post season ender podcast up. Good listen, some good info to know as well (Adama and the President are not Cylons, for instance).

I haven't noticed a consensus in this thread, other than the story revolving around a possible new Thundercats show sounds just a tad silly, compared to the more serious plot behind the original.

Huh? Look, if you have something to say to me, say it in a PM, don't clutter up the boards with this sorta nonsense. The "they raped my childhood" argument got old when the Special Editions hit, and at this point its just a little sad. These cartoons are aimed at kids, marketed to kids, and shown predominantly in the mid afternoon, when the kids are home from school. Shows like The Transformers are the exception, not the norm. Looking back 20 some years later, I realize the thing I like the most about the Thundercats is the opening credits. The rest of it just doesn't hold up. Someone mentioned season 1 of the Transformers earlier, and my God, does it look horrible. Its shocking, its nothing like that I remember.

I gotta say, you guys getting upset about a kid's show is a little pathetic.